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Post by Goblin on Mar 10, 2012 11:44:34 GMT 10
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Post by Buzz on Mar 12, 2012 7:02:12 GMT 10
Does that go for Masters?
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Post by Goblin on Mar 12, 2012 10:50:47 GMT 10
Does that go for Masters? Hiya Buzz, My reading of this is that the answer would be yes Use of Cleats at AltonaThe Committee of Management at Altona has given considerable thought to the use of metal cleats at the Centre, and I am pleased to advise that it has been decided to allow limited use of metals during the 2011/2012 Summer League Finals
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Post by Goblin on Mar 12, 2012 11:01:55 GMT 10
The Div 1 and Div 2 Game 1 Semi Final locations and start time now official Tues 13th March Div 1Geel Vs Blackburn @ Altona with a 7pm start time Ess Vs Melb @ Latrobe with a 7pm start time Weds 14th March Div 1Suns Vs Bonbeach @ Altona with a 7pm start time Mulgrave Vs Sandringham @ Latrobe with a 7pm start time See attached Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2012 19:04:02 GMT 10
I'm tipping...
Div 1 Geelong and Melbourne with too much pitching depth, and will meet in the granny
DIv 2 Bonbeach with the upset to meet Mulgrave in the big dance
Should be a big finals series.
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Post by cb on Mar 13, 2012 21:14:26 GMT 10
Burners 2- baycats 1 in 11 inn
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Post by wyatt33 on Mar 15, 2012 8:08:46 GMT 10
Couldn't hang around last night at latrobe, and cudos to sandy, but that was a f*****g debarcle! With a baseball Victoria rep there, surely a decision could have been made earlier to call it and come back the next day, or assess that the lightning they could see was actually too far away to be a hazard. We were in mote danger of one of the aeroplanes falling out of the sky than being struck by lightning! With several delays of 20 minutes, then a delay of 1 and a half hours, it was apparent that this wasn't going to be an early night. But with the umpires deciding that it's too dangerous to play, but allowing the players to stay out on the ground and warm up, stretch etc, there was a clear case of over officiousness! At no stage was there any danger of lightning. Usually when you see lightning, there is thunder, if no thunder, then the lightning is far enough away to consider it a non issue. This was clearly the case! But when the imps pocked and choose when to call time, well that was the start of the joke! There were clearly lightning strikes to the north east most of the night, but why let it go on, for 15 mins then decide when you se number 10 call time. It is embarrassing for the league that these blokes are in charge of making these decisions. How hard would it have been to send more than one person out to establish whether it was a danger or not, which it wasn't! But as is the leagues want, no it'll be right. Well were now a game behind, without a homeground advantage by the way, which is smother story, and a pitcher Lego may have started again on sat, but can't now because of the stop/start late game. Don't think these folk at bv give two hoots about the baseball clubs they are supposed to represent, as seen with the masters debarcle! Anyway, I'm over baseball now, hope the rebels can bounce back sat/sun, and play in a granny! As for the league, well less said that better.
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Post by stockley on Mar 15, 2012 8:46:37 GMT 10
So the other teams wont have the same issues of pitchers stop/starting? L its only Mulfrave that was.disadvantaged?
I'll play devils advocate a bit here... is there maybe a rule in the league.playing conditions stating flat out that if the umpires see lightning they need to come off?
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Post by ballsack on Mar 15, 2012 9:05:19 GMT 10
Hate to be the one to break it to you Wyatt, but Mulgrave isn't "a game behind" because of the decision to pause the game (as what is stated to be done, if lightning is seen) - they were just completely outplayed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2012 9:08:50 GMT 10
Not much fun for anyone, wyatt.
Nevertheless, once play has started (as it had at both venues), the game was under control of the umpires - who in this event were bound by the spirit and the application of the appropriate Playing Condition. They did what they were required to do.
a) Those associated with Baseball Victoria and its activities should note that the risk of injury from lightning is real, especially for people playing outdoor sports such as baseball.
b) On game day, the Umpires have the responsibility to decide when it is safe to play baseball.
c) During practice, the Club Coach is responsible for deciding when it is safe to be practicing. In the absence of the Club Coach, the highest ranking present member of the Club Committee is responsible.
d) Play or practice will be suspended when any visible lightning is observed irrespective of the location of the storm or the direction in which it is moving.
e) Players, officials and guests will take shelter in the club rooms or their cars while play is suspended. The dugouts do not provide appropriate protection.
f) Play will not be resumed until twenty (20) minutes after the last observed lightning strike.
g) Delays to play caused by lightning risk will be considered to be a weather delay in deciding the outcome of a game.
Baseball Victoria Summer League 2011/12 Playing Conditions Page 8
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Post by Camov on Mar 15, 2012 9:32:13 GMT 10
spot on stockley. the stop start is a mental test that both teams have to deal with.
no doubt it causes headaches for working out your pitching roster, but that's a decision to be made on the night and rewards clubs for having a bit more depth.
I would sincerely hope that the lightning rule gets a good look at over the break. they have discretion to decide when the rain becomes "to heavy" but its just a blanket response to stop the game when they see any form of lightning or low flying plane ;-)
good-luck to all the teams on the weekend, should be some more quality baseball to come! (if the rain and lightning stays away)
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Post by stockley on Mar 15, 2012 9:42:31 GMT 10
I would honestly hope they don't change the lightning clause.
Who is going to be the judge of that? Anyone can judge rain, based on heaviness, percieved danger from slipperiness and visibility in extreme situations.
How do you judge lightning? Its such a random phenomena with a lot higher risks
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Post by Camov on Mar 15, 2012 10:18:57 GMT 10
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Post by mazeroski on Mar 15, 2012 10:21:20 GMT 10
As a player who played at altona last night we also had issue with lightning, while in was frustrating rule is there to be enforced.
But game wasn't over and gotta be ready to play when ump calls play ball, weather didn't affect contest but with game being decided with 2 outs in bottom of 9th.
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Post by wyatt33 on Mar 15, 2012 10:44:43 GMT 10
Well as stated early in my post, cudos to sandy. They were able to get back into the game, and we weren't. That wasn't my point. Clearly both teams were frustrated by the delays. Surely common sense prevails. The fact that an ump saw some lightning that happened to be closer to altona than Latrobe, suggests that the lightning rule isn't very practical.
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Post by wearnie52 on Mar 15, 2012 10:52:56 GMT 10
The rule states play will be stopped no matter where the lightning is seen Wyatt. If the umpire sees lightning, the game stops. It's not the umpires fault that play was halted last night, just the rule.
I agree with stockley, lightning is dangerous. It would be a gutsy umpire who let play continue anyway, even if there was no rule as such in place.
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Post by colind on Mar 15, 2012 11:36:51 GMT 10
www.essendonbaseball.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/mad_smiley.gif{/img} Yes, last night was a very long game (start at 7pm and finish after mid night). The umps where only following the rule as it currently stands. The issue I have is the way it is written. Latrobe being on a hill meant that you could see a long way (compared to may be Doncasters ground) and yes we all could see lightning (but hear no thunder). Where we in danger? No. Even the planes flying to Tullamarine kept flying overhead and not changing course. The link below is what the AFL lightning policy states, which makes more logical sense than what happened last night. www.afl.com.au/portals/0/afl_docs/afl_hq/policies/lightining%20policy%20match%20day.pdfI hope at least BV considers a change to the current ruling, the way it is written. With Sandy 1-0 up Saturday should be a great match (weather pending) against Mulgrave, at Mulgraves home ground. Regards Colin
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Post by BD on Mar 15, 2012 11:46:42 GMT 10
I've actually got to put my hand up and say i think the Umps at Altona handled it pretty well last night. Yeah it was frustrating to go off as it was a great contest after 5 innings, but they were clear with their decision, they kept everyone informed and made sure everyone was ready to go when it cleared. My worry in those situations is that pitchers get run out their without a decent chance to get loose again. It didn't happen and we ended up with a great second half.
Fingers crossed the weekends game(s) are as tight and intense.
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Post by oldburger19 on Mar 15, 2012 12:01:04 GMT 10
Latrobe being on a hill meant that you could see a long way (compared to may be Doncasters ground) and yes we all could see lightning (but hear no thunder). I hope at least BV considers a change to the current ruling, the way it is written.
Colin, i can tell you right now, we were seeing lightning strikes at Doncaster last night too! lol
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Post by wyatt33 on Mar 15, 2012 12:44:07 GMT 10
I reckon Doncaster copped the brunt of it! That's my point, it wasn't at Latrobe. Anyway, maybe it might make the league act to clear up a couple of things, in regards to lightning, considering that it's a fairly rare occurrence. To sandy once again too good on the night, and to the rebels, and rebel faithful( all 6 of us) hopefully a far more productive couple of outings on the weekend.
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Post by colind on Mar 15, 2012 14:35:24 GMT 10
"I reckon Doncaster copped the brunt of it! That's my point, it wasn't at Latrobe"
Wyatt, you are correct.
Regards Colin
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2012 15:52:03 GMT 10
Honestly - this is a no brainer!!!!
Lightning is unpredictable - who knows where it will strike next. I don't know about you but I would not be prepared to stand out on a field with a bat in my hand (like a lightning rod) and hope that the lightning is too far away to hit me.
Agree with 'wearnie52' - if you can see it then stop the game. At least you live to fight another day.
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Post by rhricho on Mar 15, 2012 16:08:28 GMT 10
exactly right Openeye - it isn't that hard, Electrical storms have always effected games and will continue to do so, just like rain, heat, flooding!!! haha! whatever - ITS OUT OF OUR CONTROL AND THEIRS!!
What would BV have to face if someone was to die due to a lightening strike??
I once drove to throw against Geelong I think one night in like '04??? and that was the late game. It was called due to the delay not allowing us time to finish before midnight. Oh well was annoying especially as I had driven from mornington and we sat around for ages wondering what was going to happen - HOWEVER, not one of the game's participants got onto social media or public forums whinging about BV or Umpire's!!
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Post by stockley on Mar 15, 2012 16:13:21 GMT 10
thats exactly the point I was about to make openeye. Gee its such a long way from Doncaster to La Trobe... a whole what, 10km? Stand out in the middle of a field - that is surrounded by massive lightning rods for lights and be happy to do that?
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Post by oldracer on Mar 15, 2012 16:18:22 GMT 10
exactly right Openeye - it isn't that hard, Electrical storms have always effected games and will continue to do so, just like rain, heat, flooding!!! haha! whatever - ITS OUT OF OUR CONTROL AND THEIRS!! What would BV have to face if someone was to die due to a lightening strike?? I once drove to throw against Geelong I think one night in like '04??? and that was the late game. It was called due to the delay not allowing us time to finish before midnight. Oh well was annoying especially as I had driven from mornington and we sat around for ages wondering what was going to happen - HOWEVER, not one of the game's participants got onto social media or public forums whinging about BV or Umpire's!! hahaha Richo, not a lot of social media around in '04, could have emailed vigorously...luvya work
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Post by rhricho on Mar 15, 2012 16:50:00 GMT 10
Glad u saw that oldracer and the funny side!! Not to many other bright sparks would've and gone the well done stupid approach!! Prob not as much whining then either just got on with it!!
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Post by wako on Mar 15, 2012 19:07:23 GMT 10
Ahh, 2004, those sure were the good old days!
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Post by rhricho on Mar 15, 2012 19:12:13 GMT 10
Well played Wako!! Good luck to all the teams still fighting it out!!! I know I'm pretty happy with my medal this season!!
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Post by oldracer on Mar 15, 2012 20:05:03 GMT 10
all the real ones just get on with it, have fun and catchya soon RHR
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Post by perfeckt on Mar 15, 2012 21:41:06 GMT 10
Interested to read suggestions on how the rule could be re-written (note hyphen:D).
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