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Post by wako on Mar 24, 2012 17:40:05 GMT 10
does anyone have either a progress score or final result in - Orioles v Bombers - GF2.? @essendonbc on Twitter has the Bombers up 10-2 after 6.
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Post by wako on Mar 24, 2012 17:56:59 GMT 10
twitter.com/#!/essendonbc/status/183461815748014080 Essendon win 14-4 by mercy rule
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2012 17:57:14 GMT 10
Could really run off at the mouth after a great day at Altona for the Royals but I will try to contain myself, firstly tcs the medal presentation on Monday night was all in good humour, everybody including the umps were laughing as we generally do in masters, your informant saw it differently, I believe he is wrong and I will elaborate if you want to continue the subject. To barb05 you just lost your money. I was wandering around the diamond as the medal ceremony was on, tidying up the ground and locking up and all seemed/sounded fine as far as I could tell Seemed it was a game played in typical Masters spirit as was our game earlier.
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Post by MF on Mar 24, 2012 19:47:43 GMT 10
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Post by bagsloaded on Mar 24, 2012 20:19:24 GMT 10
3up3down (sergeant?). My money is on an experienced Jays lineup to come home with a wet sail. They've got a lot of experienced heads in that team and I wouldn't be surprised if the wake-up call from game 1 results in some mercy rule activity this weekend. Jays are a team fully capable of applying the hurt when they all take the field with one thing in mind. Don't get me wrong, sandy are a good young team, but in finals, experience often wins the day. Yes you were right with the mercy rule, but wrong game. Well done Essendon. Great match tomorrow. The Bonbeach "experienced heads"bounced out well at the start, but Sandy "good young team" pegged them back each dig. Great hitting by both teams and some very close plays. Sandy also had the "bags loaded" a couple of times. Best of 3 games: Sandy 2- Bony ZIP (dry sails). Bags
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Post by barb05 on Mar 25, 2012 9:15:25 GMT 10
Yes Fuzz and Bags, I would have lost money!!
Congrats to Sandy, good to see you guys back in Div1, commiserations to the Jays.
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Post by MF on Mar 25, 2012 16:24:37 GMT 10
commiserations to the Jays. Heh. Commiserations to the RoyBoys, whom Sandy will replace.
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Post by MF on Mar 25, 2012 16:55:08 GMT 10
Congrats to the Bombers, who have beaten Blackburn 5-2 in the decider, according to the play-by-play at www.vicscorers.baseball.com.au/site/baseball/vicscorers/downloads/LiveGames/gf3.htm. Essendon put up a 3 spot in the 1st, Blackburn pegged two back to trail 3-2 mid-7th, when the Bombers tacked on two more for insurance. Complete games from Hussey and Wiltshire. Looks like Wiltshire was pretty much in control, bar the 5th when Blackburn threatened but could only score one, despite loading the bases with one out (and that out being a blown bunt that forced out a runner at third).
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Post by johne on Mar 25, 2012 20:33:56 GMT 10
It was a fantastic game of baseball today. Both pitching performances were incredible. Hussey and Wiltshire both found themselves in trouble at different stages but got themselves out of it when it mattered. The key play for the day occurred in the first innings. Blackburn got the first two on via hpb and hit to center. Batter showed bunt and McDonald picked of the lead runner. A massive play which really changed the initial momentum Blackburn had.
Rodgers had an amazing series I think he had 4, 3 and 3 hits in the three games.
Very happy to see the bombers finally get their hands on the trophy after numerous recent close encounters. Well done dons!
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Post by philallen on Mar 26, 2012 8:44:42 GMT 10
Congratulations to all at the Bombers from sunny Los Angeles...where it's pi$$ing down!! Just checked in and checked the scores. Sounds like it was a good game and a tight series.
Well done boys, look forward to catching up in a few weeks.
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Post by larry42 on Mar 26, 2012 10:07:19 GMT 10
Great finals series by two very good teams. Very prevelant yesterday was the depth of the EBC.
Great job by Blackburn to get so close after losing so much offensive firepower when Dinga, Mack & Weichard went to Chelt. Kudos to Dom Ruggiero and Slugger Hodgson on the season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2012 12:01:46 GMT 10
Well done to both clubs on a great Grand Final series.
It was a pity, though, that the most important games of the season were seen by relatively few supporters. There were probably less spectators there on the Sunday (when there was no other baseball being played) than on the Saturday.
Maybe that was because there was only one game or maybe there are other factors that might explain pretty disappointing attendances at the weekend games.
Was it the weather? Was it Altona? Was it related to the length of the season and people simply wanting a break from the sport?
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Post by Spice on Mar 26, 2012 12:09:09 GMT 10
I'll say what everyone is thinking KC.
It was Altona!
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Post by farnt on Mar 26, 2012 12:26:19 GMT 10
+1
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Post by bagsloaded on Mar 26, 2012 13:30:17 GMT 10
+ another 1 Bags
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Post by larry42 on Mar 26, 2012 13:58:39 GMT 10
If the only reason that its Altona then thats a horse sh!t reason to miss the final series. Two of those three games were beauties.
Twas a very disappointing crowd there yesterday to watch the decider.
I'm not a huge fan of altona but if thats where it is, then so be it.
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Post by pirates on Mar 26, 2012 16:19:48 GMT 10
not sure about that, it might not be everyone’s issue. with all the freeways and links these days Altona is not that difficult to get to anymore. The facilities are good although a little tied, infield not as good as it should be but overall it’s a purpose built baseball stadium the only one we have got at this stage in inner Melbourne. Call has to be made on either use it fully Eg Aces, and spend the money fixing it up or don’t use it at all and sell it. Use the money to build something else, but where. By the way great final series games. Well done to both clubs.
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Post by stockley on Mar 26, 2012 16:48:17 GMT 10
not sure about that, it might not be everyone�s issue. with all the freeways and links these days Altona is not that difficult to get to anymore. The facilities are good although a little tied, infield not as good as it should be but overall it�s a purpose built baseball stadium the only one we have got at this stage in inner Melbourne. Call has to be made on either use it fully Eg Aces, and spend the money fixing it up or don�t use it at all and sell it. Use the money to build something else, but where. By the way great final series games. Well done to both clubs. we don't own it to sell it... its owned by the government, and they're just as likely to pocket the money and give.baseball squat Sent from my GT-I9000 using ProBoards
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2012 16:49:44 GMT 10
I expected negative comments about Altona. Its location and its poor image obviously ARE issues for some people, or even many people.
But I think there might be more to it than Altona in seeking to explain the modest attendances. Let's remember that attendances at the Showgrounds (for Aces games) were far less than were reasonably anticipated, even in a more central location. People doubted that Altona would draw consistently decent crowds for the ABL. Well neither, frankly, has the Showgrounds.
There have to be other reasons why people are not turning up to baseball games, especially Grand Finals and the ABL. Not so many years ago, Grand Finals used to pull huge crowds from right across the spectrum of clubs and divisions. I would hazard a guess, on Sunday, that ninety percent of spectators were from the two participating clubs.
On Altona, I agree with pirates that the complex should either be redeveloped and fully embraced by BV and the Aces or it should be off-loaded. That might be the subject of another discussion.
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Post by oj on Mar 26, 2012 18:55:06 GMT 10
Big well done to Sandy and Essendon two very good teams who really deserve it.
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Post by homer29 on Mar 26, 2012 19:39:42 GMT 10
Wonder If the drop in attendance been due to the change of finals format. Best of 3 versus a one off playoff? Grand final attendances on super Saturday 4-5 years back were pretty good but you did have up to 6 different clubs competing
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Post by Chardy on Mar 26, 2012 21:43:10 GMT 10
www.essendonbaseball.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/mad_smiley.gif{/img} Great finals series by two very good teams. Very prevelant yesterday was the depth of the EBC. Great job by Blackburn to get so close after losing so much offensive firepower when Dinga, Mack & Weichard went to Chelt. Kudos to Dom Ruggiero and Slugger Hodgson on the season. The Atlanta Braves of the VBA - well done to Russ and the Ess boys. Play in enough finals and eventually you will win one!! Seriously though - well done!! And Larry I think you will find they lost a lot more than a couple hitters a few years ago. Three pitchers as well. Commiserations to my old teammates and friends and Blackburn.
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Post by aueagle30 on Mar 27, 2012 13:56:44 GMT 10
Wonder If the drop in attendance been due to the change of finals format. Best of 3 versus a one off playoff? Grand final attendances on super Saturday 4-5 years back were pretty good but you did have up to 6 different clubs competing I agree here... the Super Saturdays of the past were well attended, but there were more games played and, generally, more clubs represented. I'm only guessing as I wasn't present, but I'm assuming the attendence on the Saturday was much better then either mid-week or Sunday game? KC, my thoughts are that the majority of us (players, coaches, administrators) place a greater value on our participation in baseball than we do in our viewership of baseball. Most of my players, and even me, would play 40 games per season, but we have little to no interest in going to watch baseball. I might be wrong, but I'd be suprised if the vast majority of AFL players, or MLB players, or other professional sportspeople, attended their sport on days off or after the completion of their season. No, we're not professionals, but we do provide a big commitment of ourselves to play at this level. When we're not required to to participate, we do enjoy putting our attention elsewhere. For the record, the Baycats players met at our clubhouse on Sunday for a BBQ and some post season beers... I assure you, every one of them would have preferred to be at Altona... as a player. I worry this concept is being overlooked by BV and the ABL who keep finding reasons to take the participation opportunities away from us to force us to become spectators (cancelling 2nd's, 3rd's 4th's for ABL playoffs)... I also worry this concept is being overlooked by those who may push to reduce the number of games to 'push up' attendances at GF, junior coaching numbers, etc.
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Post by pirates on Mar 27, 2012 14:17:22 GMT 10
Crowd not much better if at all....had a bigger crowd at the first game at Preston between Ess v Melb and a bigger crowd there as well for the masters finals. Surprisingly very poor turnout for the first div 2 final between sandy v Mul. Let me ask why you would not have been there with the team and watch the final as a group. Everyone talks about supporting the game but not all step up.
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Post by farnt on Mar 27, 2012 15:06:58 GMT 10
To continue on the fact I didn't want to travel to Altona - when my summer finished a few weeks earlier, I have five or so weeks of grace between seasons to do a huge amount of stuff around home and with my wife and kids. I had sideways looks at home for supporting my club’s other teams after my season finished, so to say I needed half a day ‘off’ to watch other clubs would be pushing my already thin luck.
Not that I need to justify not attending not have I been asked, however I took the opportunity to take my family to a mates farm in central Victoria for the night and we had a ball so no regrets. As much as I would have loved to see such quality games, I can't entertain my kids at Altona for three hours plus an hour each way travelling.
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Post by The Joker on Mar 27, 2012 15:36:28 GMT 10
To continue on the fact I didn't want to travel to Altona - when my summer finished a few weeks earlier, I have five or so weeks of grace between seasons to do a huge amount of stuff around home and with my wife and kids. I had sideways looks at home for supporting my club’s other teams after my season finished, so to say I needed half a day ‘off’ to watch other clubs would be pushing my already thin luck. Not that I need to justify not attending not have I been asked, however I took the opportunity to take my family to a mates farm in central Victoria for the night and we had a ball so no regrets. As much as I would have loved to see such quality games, I can't entertain my kids at Altona for three hours plus an hour each way travelling. This
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Post by pirates on Mar 27, 2012 15:43:55 GMT 10
hey sounds like the way to go with kids, it is hard with 2 season that’s for sure so that could be one of the reasons people are not at the finals games. Too much club ball with little down time between seasons? What if the summer season finished at Christmas time, started earlier and finished in December. It could free up the kids for the Nationals, National League can play without club ball issues and families could have a long break after Christmas. From a club point of view that’s the most difficult time with juniors and lower grades coming back after Christmas for only around 6 games IMO. Lot of drop offs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2012 16:01:30 GMT 10
In mentioning attendances I was certainly not being critical of any person for not spectating at Grand Finals - just trying to gain some insights into why crowd numbers were so modest.
People have perfectly legitimate and understandable reasons for being elsewhere. That, I guess is the point. It is something that the ABL will need to address if it is to attract decent-sized crowds and it is a matter for BV to consider if it wants its Grand Finals series to be better attended than it was this year.
In the end, people have to want to be there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2012 17:02:43 GMT 10
I'm not sure I know the magic answer here but I reckon Nathan etc are close to the mark in terms of distiguishing the important difference between playing and supporting.
Speaking as a parent, family life these days is very VERY hectic and only so much time is available for ones own recreation (after the kids have been taxi'd here and there) and when time is available 'playing' not 'supporting' is the logical choice for those that love the game.
And I too worry about the ill-conceived (in my view) concept of cancelling/moving low grades game to try to build attendances at Aces games.
All I'd say is that the only way the game grows as far as spectators go at the 'Aces' and maybe even at club ball level is getting out there the familiarity of players and their achievements that potentially lures spectators in, but this isnt easy to do unless you can get info consistantly into the broader media and KC and others ? can only do so much to get this all out there as best they can.
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Post by frita on Mar 27, 2012 17:07:25 GMT 10
pirates, I've dropped that (finish the season before christmas) on a few people and they look at me like "WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT, EVERYTHING'S FINE AS IS". Well I don't think it is and believe the sport at domestic level needs a shake up and some ideas need to be considered. Firstly I don't believe anything will change because that will mean someone needs to do some work but lets try this on for size. Rough time frames: Summer season 27 games, August - finished before christams. ABL season, December - Feb, Junior Nationals stay as is and Winter, March - July. Before anyone bangs on about the amount of games played, more is not always best and people who say otherwise are scouts and baseball tragics. There is supposed to be a study about baseball that will fix all the problems! This I don't think so and expecting the ABL to get kids playing this game is neglectful at the state level. The forum is coming up on 4 years now and in that time MWBL pres has answered some issues promtly (good job pres), besides that no state level response, no national level responses and they still deny even reading this forum (please!) Questions about ABD? Questions about where should we play? Bendigo baseball asking for help? Questions about regional baseball? Questions about the finals when there own rules where ignored? and on and on! This is just recently. This is why I said "I don't believe anything will change".
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