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Post by stuartcapel on Feb 12, 2011 20:44:27 GMT 10
This an exam?
If you think hard, you might see why I said that.
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Post by Spice on Feb 14, 2011 14:52:46 GMT 10
Apparently one of the recent BVSL Player of the Month nominees and former pro-baller has been offered a fairly large sum of Charlie Ash to play winter ball at a baseball club in Farm Road just behind Moorabbin Airport.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2011 14:57:02 GMT 10
Name?
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Post by Spice on Feb 14, 2011 15:10:19 GMT 10
The name is Cheltenham Baseball Club
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Post by duckfart on Feb 14, 2011 17:36:43 GMT 10
Has to be Hussey doesn't it??
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Post by gamer on Feb 14, 2011 20:15:42 GMT 10
As a Berwick City Cougars junior parent I can easily understand why juniors want to leave Berwick Dodgers (winter) in there droves. The Dodgers are not really serious about their baseball. The seniors don't train, they drink and play cards. Whilst their junior coaches try hard they are poorly supported by the Dodger seniors. Their training facilities over winter are poor - inadequate training lights, no batting cage under lights, poor playing surface etc. Over the last couple of years Dandenong have sent several juniors to play at Berwick City Cougars over summer to increase their playing skills. Several of our Cougars boys have become good friends with them and are aware of Dandenong's better training facilities / lighting and are eager to make the swap. Dandenong are not swooping on our players, we want out of the Dodgers!
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Post by 3up3down on Feb 14, 2011 20:39:36 GMT 10
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Post by swearne on Feb 14, 2011 20:51:27 GMT 10
gamer, i started playing junior baseball for the dodgers when i was 5 yrs old and have loved every season there. winter baseball has never been as serious for me as summer, and im sure there are many players who would say that. there are not to many sports played all year round, although baseball is i can tell you that playing serious baseball with full time training all year round is what causes a lot of players to end up not playing at all because they get burnt out or lose interest. im not saying that juniors shouldnt train,but its a bit harsh to say we are not serious about our baseball. pretty sure we have played in the last 2 grand finals in A grade and have won 3 or 4 in previous years. there is a cage with lights and a roof in berwick that has been open to all berwick players for years. i hit in it most nites of the week and well im home im happy to throw to anykids who want to hit.
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Post by Diesel on Feb 15, 2011 20:54:25 GMT 10
Any other clubs in trouble with Visa's..............
Blackburn sweats on Boone's Visa ordeal
Also interesting to read the 2 reports on Boone!
"The import that simply rocked up to training at Blackburn"
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"He has previously played in a winter league for Montmorency and became good friends with David Tierney, who referred him to Blackburn"
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Post by Goblin on Feb 15, 2011 21:23:07 GMT 10
I'm lost... so are you implying that Dandyboy is a big fat donut, or that Dandenong haven't held any Come & Try Days? I don't know if/how often Dandy hold Come & Try Days, but I wouldn't think they would be a staple of their junior recruitment... not when they can get ready made juniors who are disillusioned with the junior programs at other local clubs ps Goblin is there an smilie that features someone fishing? I would appreciate something like that being included! Happy to comply. You will now notice extra smileys available when you make posts.
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Post by bigdog on Feb 15, 2011 21:28:58 GMT 10
Any other clubs in trouble with Visa's.............. Blackburn sweats on Boone's Visa ordeal Also interesting to read the 2 reports on Boone! "The import that simply rocked up to training at Blackburn" and "He has previously played in a winter league for Montmorency and became good friends with David Tierney, who referred him to Blackburn" I am not sure what u saying here he did just rock up to training they didn't bring him over i think that's what it's meant to mean he could have just gone anywhere
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Post by barb05 on Feb 16, 2011 13:42:01 GMT 10
Any other clubs in trouble with Visa's.............. Blackburn sweats on Boone's Visa ordeal Also interesting to read the 2 reports on Boone! "The import that simply rocked up to training at Blackburn" and "He has previously played in a winter league for Montmorency and became good friends with David Tierney, who referred him to Blackburn" I checked out the article... Bv bylaws state that if a visa expires or a non national leaves the country that the club needs to re-apply for non national status and can't do so after 1 dec. I understand bv are a bit relaxed on the "leave the country" bit, allowing guys to go home for Xmas, but visa expiring... Hmm interesting to see how they go with this. I don't think Boone will be allowed to play (unless bv forgets its bylaws - again. Why follow them now huh?) and that'll be a shame. He's had a great season.
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Post by barb05 on Feb 16, 2011 14:39:35 GMT 10
"I'd consider you'd have to multiply the degree of difficulty for a Uni club." Stu please explain why its any different. Anything constructive to say dandyboy or are you just bent on criticism. As an ex farmer, we worked pretty hard to get any type of juniors on board, to no avail. At that time, monash met it's junior criteria by allowing its ground to be the training and tryout ground for all state junior team which was perfect at that time (most state juniors at that time were from wav/uftg/black/chelt). When VIS started up and vba felt altona was going to waste post abl days, they moved junior stuff out there. Around that time monash's summer club folded and no junior requirement was necessary for the DBA. In those days, monash sports and Rec used to supply baseball (and all other university sports clubs) with a small budget for coaching and another for safety equipment. This meant monash could keep their fees at $100 to ensure the club stayed afloat - from this $100, player association fees and team fees came out leaving about $20-$30 in the kitty from each member to buy balls etc. Not too much really. Further to the $100, Sports and Rec would charge non-students $125 to be a member of S&R in order to actually be a member of a monash club. So at that time a non student player (junior or senior) was up for $225 to play at the farm. At that time, that was a hell of a lot... Not so these days. It made monash not so appealing for new recruits, as juniors would be up for the same charge. Not having a summer club for many years meant that the farm just couldn't build that loyal base of round year players, and being financially strapped they couldn't undertake any grand projects to Improve their facilities. The uni wouldn't do it as baseball just isn't as attractive as footy, cricket, hockey etc. Dandyboy, you might argue "how is any other club different" - it's all about long term loyalty. If you saw the list of amazing players who have donned the two blues over the years you'd be amazed... But the loyalty just isn't there. Even dandy has loyal idiots like you who keep coming back.
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Post by pakkyp on Feb 16, 2011 15:01:11 GMT 10
"I'd consider you'd have to multiply the degree of difficulty for a Uni club." Stu please explain why its any different. Anything constructive to say dandyboy or are you just bent on criticism. As an ex farmer, we worked pretty hard to get any type of juniors on board, to no avail. At that time, monash met it's junior criteria by allowing it ground to be the training and tryout ground for all state junior team which was perfect at that time (most state juniors at that time were from wav/uftg/black/chelt). When via started up and vba felt altona was going to waste post abl days, they moved junior stuff out there. Around that time monash's summer club folded and no junior requirement was necessary for the DBA. In those days, monash sports and Rec used to supply baseball (and all other university sports clubs) with a small budget for coaching and another for safety equipment. This meant monash could keep their fees at $100 to ensure the club stayed afloat - from this $100, player association fees and team fees came out leaving about $30 I'm the kitty from each member to buy balls etc. Not too much really. Further to the $100, Sports and Rec would charge non-students $125 to be a member of S&R in order to actually be a member of a monash club. So at that time a non student player (junior or senior) was up for $225 to play at the farm. At that time, that was a hell of a lot... Not so these days. It made monash not so appealing for new recruits, as juniors would be up for the same charge. Not having a summer club for many years meant that the farm just couldn't build that loyal base of round year players, and being financially strapped they couldn't undertake any grand projects to Improve their facilities. The uni wouldn't do it as baseball just isn't as attractive as footy, cricket, hockey etc. Dandyboy, you might argue "how is any other club different" - it's all about long term loyalty. If you saw the list of amazing players who have donned the two blues over the years you'd be amazed... But the loyalty just isn't there. Even dandy has loyal idiots like you who keep coming back. Not sure how it comes down to year round loyalty? Plenty of clubs that don't prescribe to both seasons and still maintain a core group of players. Now I'm just a silly country boy but wouldn't bringing in paid coaches who have players follow them to Monash, and force the potential loyal few to lower grades be the catalyst for the inability to maintain a core group? I think we'll find all this blow over once the DBA force them into A grade! ; )
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Post by barb05 on Feb 16, 2011 15:16:55 GMT 10
Time will tell simple country boy. But I'm not sure how they can turn it around.
I'd suggest starting with a long term coach... Not a one year flash in the pan who'll take the cash and put monash in the too hard basket 9mths later.
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Post by Ace on Feb 16, 2011 16:30:03 GMT 10
Pretty much spot on Barb!
PakkyP, is that not what Monash did last year?!?
The previous year coaching was done internally. The decision was made that an external coach was required, who had some pull to get players. Michael Hunt put his hand up and did a great job helping the good player down to the rookies, and we had about 10 new players, meaning a third team (and almost a 4th).
The loyalty issues - there are a number of students who play while they attend the uni. We have 2 from Mildura. Once they finish their degrees, they won't be living at the Clayton campus anymore. We get lots of asians. Once they finish they move away. That is a biggest problem. Maintaining the family friendly culture is another battle. Their certainly hasn't been a drunken fight at Monash since I've been there...
In any case, with whatever the outcome, 2011 is going to be a big and exciting year for the club!
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Post by pakkyp on Feb 16, 2011 16:39:34 GMT 10
Time will tell simple country boy. But I'm not sure how they can turn it around. I'd suggest starting with a long term coach... Not a one year flash in the pan who'll take the cash and put monash in the too hard basket 9mths later. Too hard basket? They have some non-academic types down there with enough brains to turn things around... bit of hard work, and putting up with some losses never hurt anyone! When they get close to 31 losses and 1 draw from two seasons, I will have some sympathy for them!
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Post by spectator on Feb 17, 2011 21:18:58 GMT 10
Gamer, i find it very interesting that you have stated that you are a city cougars junior parent commenting on the berwick dodgers, are you a parent there also? saying that the seniors dont train or take it seriously i dont see how the seniors are stopping the juniors from training? have any of the suggested juniors asked any of the seniors to help them? Do the facilities change from season to season with the exception of actual day light, i dont think the summer club has lights and i am certain that they use the same diamond, so are you saying that the playing surface is also poor during summer? it seems that taking a majority of juniors from one club is not making the competition stronger.
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Post by pakkyp on Feb 18, 2011 7:23:29 GMT 10
it seems that taking a majority of juniors from one club is not making the competition stronger. I certainly agree with this point, Spectator. If the DBA clubs want to get stronger we do need to recruit as many new juniors as we can, regardless of the strain it can put on coaching resources. Kids shuffling from one club to another does nothing for those clubs or our sport, it just turns these kids into 'mercenaries', and in an amateur sport like ours, that is a trait I'd rather not see. Opportunities to play at a higher level obviously come into play as a reason for moving clubs and at least that is an admirable sentiment. Although following your summer coach may not always help your cause if there is already a plethora of equally talented players looking to play a particular position. Sometimes it helps to look outside the box, look at other competitions, look at clubs in the grades below who are coming up or have the potential and are building to come up.
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Post by wearnie52 on Feb 18, 2011 15:51:02 GMT 10
Gamer...........if you're going to put people down, actually, if you're going to put down a whole club, at least put your name to it.
Pretty disappointing post.
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Post by oldburger19 on Feb 18, 2011 17:52:52 GMT 10
Totally agree that having alot of kids playing is fantastic but if they are all playing at 1 club it hurts the whole league, and if all the better kids are at the same club, they wont get better by playing against weaker teams every week. Especially so in winter where the isnt option of playing in a div 1- div 2 type situation.
I am also of the opinion that it is alot better for the kids to play with different teams/coaches from summer to winter. Playing with the smae group of people is all well and good, but by getting away from them and learning new and different things is more beneficial to improvement of your game.
Different voices offer different things, the coach from team A may have told you to do this, but the coach from team B tell you to try it like this and it works better for you. And visa-versa. I know i have told kids who ask me where i coach in winter, "Im happy ot have you, but try going somewhere different and learn from someone different".
What irks me most is when coaches and officials from other clubs are getting in to kids and parents ears, in what effectively is poaching. "Come here cos we do this, come here because we have that" thats not helping baseball at all, it will kill it! Kids will always try and get their mates to play with them at their clubs, its what kids do, and if someone wants to go play with his mates, fine. But as a coach, if im asked by the kid or parent, i will always recommend playing somewhere with different people, make new friends and learn from someone different!.
I may have contradicted myself a little, but thats just what i think....
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Post by behindthedish on Feb 18, 2011 19:01:31 GMT 10
Great post OB19. One of the better ones on the forum for quite some time. Totally agree.
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Post by spectator on Feb 18, 2011 19:13:36 GMT 10
well said oldburger, if only there were more coaches out there looking out for the sport instead of the success of an individual club, lets not just make clubs stronger but the sport.
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Post by Coalmined on Feb 18, 2011 19:59:01 GMT 10
There is no doubt with the senior coaching panel at the cougars all being Dandy Angels over winter that some cougars/dodgers have seen the light and looking to make the move over. The truth be told Dodgers lost a lot of juniors when they turned away senior lower grade players(one of which is a great bloke and i had the pleasure of playing in a premiership with) who had junior kids who were welcomed by the angels with open arms. Word filters back through word of mouth how people are treated and it is no wonder people are looking at there options.
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Post by wearnie52 on Feb 18, 2011 20:44:24 GMT 10
People can play wherever they want. It's baseball, we pay to play, and we play because it's good fun. Especially in winter.
However, the worrying thing about this situation is that despite what a couple of people have said on this forum, Berwick Dodgers are a good club, who treat their kids and their seniors very well. Good facilities, good functions, good coaches, and the opportunity for juniors to train, if they choose.
The fact that whole teams of kids are looking for clearances, that seems quite strange to me.
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Post by mandi on Feb 18, 2011 20:51:42 GMT 10
i dont know the inns and outs of what happened last year with the amount of players leaving berwick, however it seems that a majority of people what to keep the competition strong so why "poach" players to make one club stronger that already fields alot of teams, how about encouraging the clubs that need a couple of players for each age group instead of the entire team and the coach? just myh opinion
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Post by gj on Feb 19, 2011 11:36:33 GMT 10
Apologies for the continued hijacking of this topic, but: If BV get their way and equalise fees across summer and winter clubs, will the winter clubs get the same voting rights?
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Post by pakkyp on Feb 19, 2011 12:31:19 GMT 10
Apologies for the continued hijacking of this topic, but: If BV get their way and equalise fees across summer and winter clubs, will the winter clubs get the same voting rights? Well I have heard the VPBL is not dead GJ... So where are they trying to get their way? The only change to 2011 costs were the extra that ABF forced upon us? The associations look after their own competitions, so there is no need for a full time 'Competitions Manager'. The $17 per person that goes into BV coffers is to pay for an additional Development officer isn't it? What legitimate reasons would they have for raising the costs by $20 - $30 dollars per player? Even a legitimate reason would likely see associations splinter off from BV... back to how it used to be...
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Post by Game On on Feb 19, 2011 23:59:57 GMT 10
I just want to say, that I am also a player and parent at Berwick, and no, I have no idea who gamer is and its not me, as some people like to think. I have no issue with the people at Berwick summer or winter, and I think that the club is a great club. I have been there for 12 years and I have no intention of leaving, Pakkyp. To hear that people are bagging the club for lack of training sessions, and that the senior players just want to drink and play cards is a bit harsh. Im sure that if the kids wanted to train and requested some of the seniors to help out, they would. I just think that if all the kids wanted to change clubs, and its their choice, thats fine, but I don't see the benefit of going to the same club in the same league. I am not going to bag Dandenong, I have some friends there that I have played with and against over many years. But Gamer, they have been active in seeking players to come and play with them, and Im not against this, but lets hope that its for the right reasons..........
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Post by pakkyp on Feb 20, 2011 0:22:04 GMT 10
I just want to say, that I am also a player and parent at Berwick, and no, I have no idea who gamer is and its not me, as some people like to think. I have no issue with the people at Berwick summer or winter, and I think that the club is a great club. I have been there for 12 years and I have no intention of leaving, Pakkyp. To hear that people are bagging the club for lack of training sessions, and that the senior players just want to drink and play cards is a bit harsh. Im sure that if the kids wanted to train and requested some of the seniors to help out, they would. I just think that if all the kids wanted to change clubs, and its their choice, thats fine, but I don't see the benefit of going to the same club in the same league. I am not going to bag Dandenong, I have some friends there that I have played with and against over many years. But Gamer, they have been active in seeking players to come and play with them, and Im not against this, but lets hope that its for the right reasons.......... I don't think the club coach requested a LOI for you Game On
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