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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2012 14:51:14 GMT 10
Can Fixturing be done better ? = YES
Should Fixturing be done better ? = ABSOLUTELY
Whos fault is it ? = BV AND CLUBS (and in turn PLAYERS)
Will Fixturing be done better ? = Bloody hope so, across the board, for the sake of our game and all of our players !
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Post by larry42 on Oct 29, 2012 21:51:33 GMT 10
Being a coach of a young team involved in this mess which is the qualifying rounds, I have a front row seat. No I don't believe this is the correct process, which has been stated previously. But I do believe, through weight of disillusion shown with it, that next year should/will be different. To what degree only time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2012 9:44:50 GMT 10
Thanks for pointing that out Goblin - so now I can add another point to my list of matters that have bemused me about Summer Baseball this year. One more and I get a free set of steak knives !!!!!! Someone please remind me why there's no Womens games this weekend? GREAT - I win a free set of steak knives !!!!!
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Post by wyatt33 on Oct 30, 2012 12:35:32 GMT 10
Being a coach that's been on the end of a couple of holdings, I'll admit it's hard to see logic in the need for grading games. But in the last two weeks my side has made leaps and bounds in terms of where they were just a month ago. They are starting to understand the game better, and the hits are coming thick and fast across the board! So for all the negativity out there, I'd like to put a positive spin on it. To the point where I believe some of my kids have seen how good the good teams are, and that maybe one day, they'd like to be able to play at that standard.
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Post by larry42 on Oct 31, 2012 7:54:18 GMT 10
Read the story in the thread on Pitchers Hlmets and thats the main reason i advocate that really good junior teams shouldn't be playing against new or average teams.
If a family can successfully sue a bat making company for not providing adequate information on the dangers involved (story within the Pitchers Helmets thread) then what would a parent think if their start up 8 year old son is drilled in the noggin by man child 11 year old in which BV provided the match up of the 2 mismatched teams. In the first 4 games i have seen some balls hit past the pitcher and corner infielders by strong and agressive swinging 11 year olds, where the defensive player hasn't even raised a glove by the time is fizzed past.
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Post by oldmanriver on Nov 12, 2012 8:07:02 GMT 10
Yay. The silly season is over, now the real season can begin. Be interested in seeing how the apple falls. Some interesting occurences.
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Post by larry42 on Nov 12, 2012 9:53:11 GMT 10
Yay. The silly season is over, now the real season can begin. Be interested in seeing how the apple falls. Some interesting occurences. Interesting occurences??
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Post by oldmanriver on Nov 12, 2012 10:23:06 GMT 10
Nothing really, U/18 Major will stay the same as last year except for Berwick not fielding an U/18 side and Sandy coming in, and the Minor section being made up of 4 combo sides with Blackburn managing to not win a game and stay in the lower league. Two sections of 8 will do nicely. Pretty much the same travelling as last year. Basically, a waste of 6 weeks of the season for the U/18's.
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Post by oldmanriver on Nov 12, 2012 10:31:31 GMT 10
Actually what will be interesting is what may or could happen with a couple of the combo sides being Doncaster and Geelong. A few injuries and what will happen? Will they reclaim their players? Just a thought.
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Post by oldmanriver on Nov 13, 2012 7:32:59 GMT 10
Just wondering how long it will take for the junior draws to come out?
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Post by Goblin on Nov 13, 2012 11:54:55 GMT 10
Just wondering how long it will take for the junior draws to come out? I think you will find that your club received the file below with the new Major, AAA & AA groupings at last night P&S meeting. We were also informed that it was hoped to have fixtures avail by sometime Wednesday. Attachments:
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Post by wyatt33 on Nov 13, 2012 13:45:26 GMT 10
Yes the junior league allocation is out. My side is in the AA comp, which I'm happy about. But when did travelling to werribee essendon and fitzroy become the norm? I though there were east and west comps? Or is it there aren't enough teams to split the comps up? Either way, I'm hoping for a more competative season from here on in. Go Rebels!
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Post by oldmanriver on Nov 13, 2012 14:02:15 GMT 10
Travel in the BV is the norm. You are lucky you only have three visa travels. Last year We travelled to Geelong, Essendon,Newport and Werribee, It is very handy to find out where the better coffee shops are. Hope you have a successful season. Enjoy it. The travel may only get worse or get better, It a bit of a raffle.
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Post by Marshy on Nov 13, 2012 14:06:23 GMT 10
Can those with the knowledge enlighten me please, is there actually a reason that teams must win by a high margin i.e. does this influence the grading?
If the answer is no (and I'll make that assumption for the rest of my post) I am thinking the winning coaches have a responsibility here.
Try not throwing your ace and give the kid who's never pitched a go. Sure, score as many runs as you can, whilst enforcing the "no stealing" etc, but allow your guys to give up a few too.
Perfekt - 73-1 after three??? The way that reads, and not knowing any of the back ground, my instant thought is that the U16 coach needs to have a good hard look at himself.
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Post by lovethegame on Nov 13, 2012 15:20:39 GMT 10
Marshy, I don't think you can blame the coaches in the vast majority of the lopsided games. We have had games where we did pitch kids who are not regular pitchers and swapped people around to non-familiar positions etc.
There is just too much of a differece in skill level. I did not see any stealing or demeaning stuff on the field. You can't blame kids for hitting hard, running bases hard, playing good D in the field etc. It would be unfair to tell them to play soft for the first 5 weeks.
Also, the "ace" should be permitted to throw and not frowned upon if he/she does, not all game every game but should not be penalised for being good at what you do.
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Post by wyatt33 on Nov 13, 2012 15:33:00 GMT 10
Were playing upwey a and they slaughtered us! Guess what....they're in AA! I cannot believe they didn't win more than one game. Second best pitchers we saw, not sure they're playing at they're highest possible standard. But I could be wrong. As for the travel omr, I've been playing for a few years now, and I know travel is the norm. I just thought the juniors other than the top grades basically stay in their half of the city.
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Post by Marshy on Nov 13, 2012 15:42:44 GMT 10
Thanks Lovethegame.
I have three boys who I would like to see play junior baseball in the near future, so I am keen to hear people's thoughts on the whole scenario and see the situation improve.
I am encouraged to hear your coach (you?) has mixed it up a bit. Do YOUR scorelines read 73-1 after 3 games?
To clarify my stand point, I agree the "ace" should be allowed his/her time, but limit it to a dig or two. Better still, save him/her until after the grading.
I don't think I'd be asking my kids to play "soft" - though even that would depend on the circumstances. If you're going to play, play properly, however this doesn't have to mean smashing a team mercilessly.
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Post by wyatt33 on Nov 14, 2012 7:09:30 GMT 10
It's impossible to tell a kid to ease up in the batters box. And you can't ask a pitcher to not throw hard. What you can do is limit the damage, once it's been inflicted. When your 25 runs in front there's no point stealing(hear that Melbourne) and when there's a pass ball, there's no need to take two bases, or a wild throw, push a ground out into a home run! And when your side does these things, don't get offended when I say something in the middle of the game, or I pull the sub fielder I lent you. And I'll also enforce the bloody blank when your short a player. Other than that, I'm happy with way things have panned out.
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Post by oldmanriver on Nov 14, 2012 8:03:15 GMT 10
All the problems stem from these ridiculous grading games where they are arranged to keep the travelling time to a minimum. In some cases novice sides will be placed in a group with more "seasoned veterans" of s paticular age group. This is where the vagaries begin. Also, I feel that the coaches/managers of these teams should be able to teach etiquette and to resoect the game and opposition, especially in lopsided games. Some junior coaches must be aspiring for Major League status when only they are showing how much of a buffoon they really are. These sort of coaches should be weeded out and shamed for teaching methods that do this fine game no justice. If this does occur in a game, I would like to think that one coach/manager will stand on his principles and continue to teach the game to the young charges that includes the word respect forthe opposition and the game. End of rant.
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Post by larry42 on Nov 14, 2012 8:38:01 GMT 10
Can those with the knowledge enlighten me please, is there actually a reason that teams must win by a high margin i.e. does this influence the grading? If the answer is no (and I'll make that assumption for the rest of my post) I am thinking the winning coaches have a responsibility here. Try not throwing your ace and give the kid who's never pitched a go. Sure, score as many runs as you can, whilst enforcing the "no stealing" etc, but allow your guys to give up a few too. Perfekt - 73-1 after three??? The way that reads, and not knowing any of the back ground, my instant thought is that the U16 coach needs to have a good hard look at himself. Marshy - i'm not sure you can look at runs for/against and make a determination about how the team and/or manager is going about it to have such lopsided games. I'm sure there are some around who want to push the envelope, but in my dealings so far (U12) the majority of the coaches (bar one - last year) have been terrific on the winning and losing team. One of the other factors that may affect some teams as far as pitching goes for Sunday games, is their own domestic program and the pitchers utilised in that. At my club we play domestic 12's on the Saturday and try and utilise a number of kids in pitching development in that league. As a result of this some of our top kids then pitch sunday. In this quirky draw that is the qualifying rounds, we played a game earlier in the season against Wyatts Mulg B team. I'd like to think we didn't push the point but we scored 35 and didn't record an out. Now the two teams should never have been on the same field as Wyatt had kids playing their first year of baseball and i have a group of kids that have grown up playing ball, but to their credit they stuck at it and hopefully didn't walk away from that game scarred. I was thankful that none of their kids wore any shots from some of ours (my main reason why these games should not be played) The unfortunate scenario in the grading games is there would have been a number of these trype of results and in some cases there could still be some 20 run blow outs when they go to the competition round. I'm with you Marshy though, hopefully the kids are getting taught the right way of respecting the game while enoying it as well.
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Post by gamer on Nov 14, 2012 17:18:32 GMT 10
Larry 42,
My suggestion would be - go back to the future.
The future years qualifying rounds should all be played on the one pre-season weekend as round robins and then clubs are are allocated straight into respective grades and away we go. This was how it was done about 25 years ago. It worked then - it can work now.
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Post by oldmanriver on Nov 15, 2012 9:56:12 GMT 10
As I sit waiting for for BV to announce the Junior draw the GLW is pestering me as to what and where Iwill be on the Sunday. Wednesday has passed and Thursday lunch is on the way and still we have no draw to plan the weekend with. It's about time BV learned the fact that people have lives to plan and not just sit around and wait at BV's leisure for something that is very simple to do. This could have been done by Tuesday afternoon. End of pre lunch rant.
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Post by happyhawk on Nov 15, 2012 13:18:27 GMT 10
A simple message on BV site to advise when fixtures will be posted would be a simple way to keep people informed, which is all we ask.
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Post by lovethegame on Nov 15, 2012 14:47:21 GMT 10
With most training happening on Wed/Thursday nights it would have been good to be able to advises players/parents/umpires etc at training.
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Post by wrongway25 on Nov 15, 2012 15:41:47 GMT 10
The fixtures did go up for about 30 minutes or so but are nowhere to be found now!
At least I think I know where I have to go Sunday.....
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Post by wyatt33 on Nov 15, 2012 16:06:16 GMT 10
I wouldn't count on it!
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Post by wyatt33 on Nov 15, 2012 16:11:01 GMT 10
Just had a look and the fixture is up. It's under regular season fixtures. Got a trip out to essendon this Sunday, and a pre Xmas trip to Geelong........23rd dec.......ripper!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2012 16:43:20 GMT 10
The fixtures did go up for about 30 minutes or so but are nowhere to be found now! At least I think I know where I have to go Sunday..... Buckle up all Coaches it could be a rocky ride this next 24 hours. My idea of putting 'date/time last modifed' on ever changing fixtures was ignored, so common sense does not always prevail !
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Post by oldmanriver on Nov 16, 2012 8:34:06 GMT 10
Ripping draw for the 18's. Doncaster x 2, Essendon, Geelong, Werribee, Upwey and Waverley all away and four home games. At least the lad will get the rest of his learner driving hours up by the end of the season. All I can say is, an idiot has done this draw, we are even playing Waverley at Werribee, go figure. But we must respect the work done by BV as they are doing their level best in trying times.
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Post by wako on Nov 16, 2012 9:36:33 GMT 10
Under 18s Major, Round 2: Waverley v Cheltenham @ Werribee?!? Surely that's a mistake...
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