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Post by Journeyman on Oct 24, 2012 10:04:35 GMT 10
Agree the post has been removed, authentic's link is still there.
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Post by gilly on Oct 24, 2012 10:07:00 GMT 10
Hey guys, apologies for earlier post on the Aces social networking pages.
It has since been removed, and was merely my oversight -- put it down to never having seen this thread -- and not something sanctioned by the Aces.
I have also hidden a post on the FB page linking to this thread in respect to the large number of younger fans who frequent the page.
again, my apologies. Gilbert
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Post by player on Oct 24, 2012 20:19:55 GMT 10
gilly, credit for acting in the prompt manner that you did after locating this thread.
I'm not quite sure, though, why you would block this Forum thread from younger people. Surely they and their parents are the ones who are most entitled to know of concerns about Digest editorship and its possible links with paedophiles in baseball.
That sounds a bit like the head-in-the-sand approach that the ABF took before, and is still taking, even though it is well aware of the shady dealings of Trevor Lindsay Jarrett and his mates going back decades.
Speaking of whom, Jarrett is currently being processed through the NSW courts under serious criminal charges. May he rot in hell.
And may other innocent parties who were damaged by this creature and his ilk come forward and get the support that they humanly deserve in helping see justice served for terrible wrongdoings against our young people.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2012 8:57:19 GMT 10
Any word on TREVOR JARRETT ?
I believe he went to Court in late October.
And judging by recent media and the anticipated Federal Gov't Royal Commission into Child Abuse he may have to attend (or be named) in that Forum as well perhaps based on earlier reports of his past conduct and behaviour ?
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Post by duke on Nov 21, 2012 21:49:51 GMT 10
It seems that Jarrett is caught up with other (legal) issues that might thankfully limit his involvement with Australian Baseball Digest.
There is no recent activity on his "Iva Adjuon" Facebook page.
Still the uptake on ABD "likes" is minimal, despite the site recently boasting that it had a total of half a million visits or something like that over the past few years.
Here's a challenge. If Jarrett is no longer involved, and if the current managers of the site are not paedophiles (or people who have other things to hide), then why not come out now and identify yourselves?
Do so, and you may gain some credibility and eventually earn some trust within the community.
Why would you not do that? Are you waiting for the Royal Commission?
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Post by jakeoreilly on Nov 23, 2012 0:07:25 GMT 10
I remember when I was at qld for the academy one of the guys from qld (who was getting heavily scouted and eventually signed) told me that his agent trevor was asking him about his sex life. At the time I just said wtf, bloody dirty old man but after reading this I cant believe that there was something so sinister behind it. It makes you sick to think that there are predators who pray on young people with their whole life ahead of them. I hope all the people he hurt are able to live happy lives from here on.
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Post by shoeless on Nov 27, 2012 21:26:55 GMT 10
I have never had any contact with Trevor Jarrett, but I have seen the aftermath of what these types of people do to young people and their Families - by the age of 21, 3 of my high school friends had taken their own lives, it will never be proven that their acts of suicide came as a result of what most of us (my school mates) believed to have happened to them at the boarding school I attended, but if Trevor Jarrett has done anything to a minor I hope he never see's the light of day again. I also hope the former Deputy Principle of Salesian College rots in hell!!!
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Post by duke on Dec 4, 2012 19:48:09 GMT 10
While trying to find an update on this Trevor Jarrett creature, I stumbled upon the following website and its story from the Daily Telegraph earlier this year. If anyone has the latest on Jarrett, perhaps they could let us know. With a bit of luck he will be suffering somewhere. What is obvious here and overseas is that police are now really going after paedophile networks that have exploited and abused our young people for far too long. This is a veritable house of cards, with institutions quite rightly being placed under scrutiny. Jarrett apparently has his supporters in and around Australian baseball. That alone has to ring alarm bells. Yet the ABF has still made no statement about him, his supporters and the shady Australian Baseball Digest - even in what is threatening to develop into a firestorm as more and more deviants are being outed. Why the hell has the ABF not said anything, knowing what it knows about the bloke? Surely the national governing body should be taking a stance, and be seen to be taking a stance since it and its agencies are so broadly entrusted with the care of our young people. The National Youth Championships are coming up in early January. Can we expect Jarrett and his mates to be there, hanging around the periphery? Can we be assured that they will not be there? This issue will simply not go away. We should not let it just "go away", as so many insitutions have done in the past. aussiepaedophiles.wordpress.com/2012/11/27/trevor-lindsay-jarrett/
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Post by Journeyman on Jan 8, 2013 12:02:42 GMT 10
I'm a little mystified why you placed this here. What relevance does it have to this thread?
Admin Edit : I agree, totally irrelevant to the thread and I have deleted it.
If Swag wants to post it, they need to create another thread.
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Post by steveg on Jan 31, 2013 16:09:27 GMT 10
What is all this achieving? Jarrett is probably laughing like a shark and never even reads these postings. Someone should setup a site called Australian Baseball Digested through Wordpress, use the exact same background (which is easy to choose through Wordpress), and each posting should be a list of concerns regarding Jarrett. The "Digested" profile could say "we speak out against Jarrett with what you need to know!" Does anyone like the sound of this idea? The problem at the moment is even though this forum comes up straight under ABD when you do an Internet search there is still a process of getting to this spot. If we have a site purely dedicated to Jarrett with a profile and disclaimer stating this we could make more people aware of our concerns. This forum is good for sharing information but we need more in my opinion, and the above is an idea which comes to mind. I look forward to all your thoughts.
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Post by steveg on Jan 31, 2013 16:58:34 GMT 10
I've heard a lot of people involved within Australian baseball are still associated with Jarrett.
I don't want to name names but I've heard the names of players, coaches and team managers who visited him in jail and to this day spend time with him socially.
There are a couple of bleeding hearts though who defend him "because he has done his time" and one Christian I can think of who believes Jarrett can be saved if he admits his sins.
I know for a fact Jarrett follows the twitter and social media accounts of many baseball people in this country as a friend! The question I have though is why do people support him privately but run for cover publically?
Jarrett is a complex mammal who has lived an unusual sad life but his continued interest in baseball is in many ways because he can't let go of the game, a game which very much wants to let go of him.
In terms of what his motives are he would be the world's biggest fool to try anything inappropriate on anyone despite his likely involved in ABD and its social media functions. But for crying out loud he must have the biggest ego to feel he is entitled to stay involved in baseball through the backdoor (excuse the pun) by getting involved in freelance baseball reporting through a blog/website.
I once heard his motives are misunderstood because he wants to make up for all the damage he has done to baseball in Australia, but that's one of those bleeding hearts I mentioned above.
If Jarrett has a millimetre of true respect for baseball he should find a new interest, and stay a long way away from baseball, and get a lot of therapy and lifestyle coaching.
There is nothing worse than a fallen tyrant who hasn't accepted their fate.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2013 19:22:42 GMT 10
Welcome aboard, steveg.
The idea of the website may or may not appeal to someone who might like to take it up. It could have some effect, though it is probably not necessary.
Going on the slow uptake of "likes" on Australian Baseball Digest and the apparent lack of activity on this Adjuon alter-ego page mentioned earlier, it seems that the general baseball community is pretty much alerted, now, to keeping the Digest and its shady authorship at arms' length (or much further than that, if possible).
Like you, I am mystified that a convicted and listed child sex offender still seems to have supporters within the baseball community. You have to wonder why the support is still there, even more so since more serious charges than his earlier offences are apparently still subject to legal process.
Jarrett and his sympathisers/supporters are well aware of this Forum. If the people involved in ABD have nothing to hide, they have had ample opportunity to identify themselves and distance themselves from Jarrett and any other paedophile activity. They have chosen not to do so, even in the knowledge that there are grave concerns about what is going on here.
One of the unfortunate things about all of this is that Australian baseball needs the sort of ongoing and timely coverage that the Digest provides. Although I have a personal issue with the whole "Digest" concept (in that it is lazy, parasitic, unaccountable by nature, censors comment that it does not like and produces no original material), it at least offers a collage of baseball news that is accessible.
What I'd like to see is a credible individual or a group establishing a similar, but better service than Australian Baseball Digest. One in which editorship is transparent, and in which people can place their trust without this spectre of Jarrett and like-minded deviants.
Such a service would fill a vacuum and would put ABD out of business overnight.
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Post by steveg on Feb 1, 2013 8:17:58 GMT 10
I don't think there is any doubt Jarrett is involved in ABD.
If Jarrett ends up in the clink though needless to say ABD will probably cease to exist.
He is represented by a high price barrister or QC (I can't remember his qualification) but he doesn't come cheap and is a well known defender (legally speaking) of these predators, and all the creeps use him to try and stay out of jail. If you walk into his chambers he is a massive Red Sox fan. Jarrett must have thought it was his lucky day when he met him for the first time!
The current situation with Jarrett is that there is a complainant from his involvement in performing arts at a school. The case would appear to be decent given Jarrett already has a conviction but what they need to really put Jarrett away is another victim (from the school) to offer testimony and this combined evidence is the silver bullet needed to finish him off and throw him in jail. The alleged events though pre-date his charges from the mid-2000s and a second complainant has been identified and as mentioned above if this person gives evidence it's bye, bye ABD and more prison time for Jarrett.
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Post by steveg on Feb 5, 2013 7:47:07 GMT 10
This forum has been quick to throw mud and even make allegations about people who are perceived to be Trevor Jarrett supporters/sympathisers, however, I have a question for you all to consider and I alluded to this on January 31, but how would you feel if I told you some prominent members of the Australian baseball community still have contact with Jarrett?
When this was brought to my attention I reached the conclusion that Jarrett is laughing like a shark and I doubt any of you would have the audacity to say much about these individuals if their names were made public.
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Post by deebs on Feb 5, 2013 12:35:16 GMT 10
SteveG
reading your message from early this morning that has since been removed , you have insinuated that i have involvemnet with Trevor Jarret which isincorrect and defaming. I have not had any contact with trevor jarret in the last 5 years. Last conversation i had with him was over 5 years ago when he was representing a player . i have no desire to talk to him and have not done so. i ask you to show some Nuts and reveal yourself, it is easy to stand behind a fake name and throw these false allegations out. if you have dont have the nuts to identify yourself PM me because you are way off the mark my friend.
you havent heard the end of this, hope you have a good lawyer
To also suggest a connection with his Lawyer to the Redsox is very dangerous, that is like saying a baseball fan is tied to a players connection with PED
sack up Steve G let us know who you are with proof of your allegations
deebs
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Post by pirates on Feb 5, 2013 14:48:02 GMT 10
oooopppppps steveg....as the song goes you better get a lawyer son and it better be a good one.
Rule one... always engage the brain before putting the mouth into gear. you idiot.
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Post by steveg on Feb 5, 2013 15:56:16 GMT 10
Deebs first and foremost thank you so much for stating the above, which is good to know. However, I heard Jarrett say this but obviously he wasn't telling the truth.
I will reach out to you separately Deebs and confirm my identity and offer a written apology. If you wish to take it further legally that's your choice, but I happened to be at the right place at the right time when Jarrett said what he said.
But Deebs you didn't read my posting correctly regarding Jarrett's legal representation as I said he is massive Red Sox fan.
I understand you're upset I will try to resolve this with you.
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Post by deebs on Feb 5, 2013 16:29:21 GMT 10
steveG
Upset is an understatement
in my role working with 70 academy kids each year, i would have thought you would have confirmed this with me before telling the world BTW why would you be standing by and talking to Jarrett anyway, sounds to me like you are a supporter of his.
to try and implement me into his dealings doesn't sit well with me at all.
Jarrett is a lier if he said i have spoken to him, i have no interest or care in the world to speak or be around him.
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Post by steveg on Feb 5, 2013 16:42:23 GMT 10
Deebs, I believe you and will be true to my offer as mentioned above. Again I sincerely apologise but Jarrett said that.
Yes, I can get close to Jarrett but there was a purpose to my interaction which is to help further charges be laid. I have everything I can reasonably obtain but I need some other people to come through to make it stick, which is much like the current matter Jarrett has before the courts.
I will contact you shortly possibly tomorrow if that's okay.
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Post by duke on Feb 5, 2013 21:07:04 GMT 10
Didn't see the original post, but I'm guessing it named someone(s) as having contact with Jarrett and offering him some sort of support. An apology is all well and good, steveg (sounds like it might not be good enough), but this question has to be asked. If, as you said, you overheard or you were involved in some conversation with Jarrett that mentioned prominent people in Australian baseball, why on earth would you take as gospel the word of a convicted child sex offender and a person who has made an art form of manipulation, deception and lies in pursuit of his own warped agenda??? That is either naive or stupid. Or both. It is condescending and insulting to then say "I believe you" when you get a naturally angry response from a person you have defamed. Are you saying you would believe this deviant - a listed child sex offender - above decent baseball persons because of what you think that Jarrett said, but you now concede was a lie? Come on, that makes no logical sense. The only sensible thing you've said is that people who have knowledge of Jarrett's activities – over many years, it seems - should come forward and tell police what they know, in order for justice to be properly served. The whole Jarrett saga is a stain on Australian baseball that needs to be erased, although it will clearly take some time. The last thing that is needed in the cleansing process is rumour, innuendo, untruths and thoughtless besmirching of straight-up baseball people getting in the way. :mad: This discussion was meant to put Australian Baseball Digest editorship under scrutiny and to help alert people to Trevor Jarrett and those who continue to support him despite his convictions and incarceration for a manner of offences the worst of which may still to be proven. Your intentions may have been sound, steveg (at least you tell us that), but it seems you stuffed up on this occasion. And this comment “I will reach out to you”? Where have I heard that before?
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Post by steveg on Feb 5, 2013 22:12:55 GMT 10
I'm not sure where you have heard "I will reach out to you?"
Deeble can exercise whatever recourse he sees fit, that is his right, but if the matter did go to court then Jarrett would be cited as a witness and those who heard the conversation too. Jarrett's phone records would be collected as evidence and who knows what they would reveal regarding any number of baseball people.
I believe Deeble because he states Jarrett was lying.
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Post by perfeckt on Feb 6, 2013 5:32:12 GMT 10
I'd suggest steveg that now would be a good time for you to take the opportunity to take this matter up privately and resist the urge to make any more defensive commentary publicly. Although you may have the best of intentions at heart, defaming people on a public forum is not the way, especially after one of them has already warned you of your inaccuracy and invited you to contact them personally. Comments like, "if the matter", would be collected" and "who knows" aren't helping anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2013 12:02:02 GMT 10
So how do you feel about Paedophiles like Trevor Jarrett is alleged to be 'Steve' 'Iva' or Trevor' or whoever you are ? You proport to detest them (as we all do) yet you allegedly 'hang with him/them' and then throw others under a bus using your alias. I smell a rat ? Lets see what name you use next time Stev..I mean Iva... I mean Trev.. or ?
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Post by metsace1986 on Feb 7, 2013 11:33:54 GMT 10
I would like to thank this forum for the awareness it provides to fans of baseball. Thank you for your effort and information.
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Post by metsace1986 on Feb 7, 2013 11:48:00 GMT 10
I didn't know about all these things, in so much detail, until recently reading this forum which is why I have decided to join. There is something I have noticed about ABD and it seems they have more hits when the MLB season is on and there are less hits during the Australian summer. This could be because fans of baseball read ABL Buzz, ABL, ABF and all the ABL team websites as these local sites offer plenty of Aussie baseball news. It has been mentioned a few postings before mine that ABD isn't attracting a lot of people but I think the Australian winter is their busiest time. I see this forum as an active vehicle to lobby the baseball bodies in Australia too but have the ABF or ABL done anything? Does anyone know more about this? Thanks.
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Post by philallen on Feb 8, 2013 9:11:55 GMT 10
Isn't it about time people started declaring who they are on this forum? Can anyone else see the coincidence of a new forum member, steveg, getting involved the a week later another new member metsace1986 commenting on the same subkect. Seem a little strange to me. To coin an old addage, "you're on the pot, pi$$ or pi$$ off" Time to identify who is who me thinks. Any comments?
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Post by metsace1986 on Feb 8, 2013 9:28:37 GMT 10
As per the above comment from philallen it would be handy if there was an introduction process through this forum because then that way issues with identity could be less of an issue. If anyone wants to know who I am please send me an email but please identify who you are because it seems most people use fun names and all I’ve done is follow what seems to be the forum standard. KC who is that classic baseball player photograph featured under your user name? Nothing beats old school baseball! There was a time when the ABF featured a lot more news and provided a service not that dissimilar to ABD where they would provide news stories from local and overseas media, but they also had some publications like The Pitch which was quite good. Since the ABL started up the ABF seems to be less visibility and it could be they may have less resources because they still feature news items but not as many. A solution in terms of credibility could be to have the news service by the ABF built up again and perhaps they could advertise for volunteers, who they carefully screen, who could be their accredited writers and this could all combine to be a lot of news for fans of baseball. I think there is a guy named Andrew Dunn who writes plenty of baseball stories for newspapers and he might be the type of person you have in mind and if others like him contribute it would be quite solid. But I would pay a journalist like Dunn for his time and effort. The ABF could make a separate website exclusively for news and allow discussion which I think could do the job well. I find it hard to believe the ABF and ABL haven’t had some sort of formal talk with ABD because it would be in their best interest to make sure everything with ABD is completely above abroad. I don’t accept the ABF and ABL have their heads in the sand though especially given the claims made about ABD. Whatever the ABF and ABL have done would be an internal matter and the only people who would know the exact outcome would be the ABF/ABL and ABD. As a result I don’t think we will ever know for sure because they don’t seem to see the need to issue a press release but is it their job to tell the public what they have done? To answer this question it would be comforting to have had a press release but I’m interesting in rumours if any are known.
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Post by lorraine on Feb 8, 2013 10:17:14 GMT 10
I am with you Phil on this one ....REAL names should be used . If you have got something to say on this issue,please real names should be used .
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Post by metsace1986 on Feb 8, 2013 11:09:43 GMT 10
Given the nature of this discussion topic, as a suggestion for the forum managers to consider, maybe it could be a requirement for people to sign off with their real name with each posting they make? This is a sensitive topic so perhaps the level of accountability needs to be higher. If someone could please tell me how to change my user name as I would like to change to my real name. Please feel free to email me any instructions on how I do this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2013 12:43:58 GMT 10
Some people choose not to identify themselves publicly on this Forum, which can be both a positive and a negative. It encourages input from those who might not otherwise become involved, while it creates some danger in terms of accountability.
It is something that we may need to address in view of events this week.
It is a fair call that anyone wanting to comment on a controversial issue – or particularly to bring names into any discussion – should have the courage of his/her convictions by being publicly identified.
The overwhelming majority of people who use nicknames do not exploit the situation to defame others, presumably because they understand the broad concept of defamation and they have read – as they should have – our reminder under Forum FAQs.
There is no ambiguity about any of this. Anyone posting a comment online – or allowing a comment to be posted online, such as the Forum does – becomes a publisher. Every publisher is subject to defamation laws.
Anyone who believes that he/she somehow becomes unaccountable by using a nickname, by having multiple identities, by giving a bodgie date of birth or email address when joining the Forum is sadly mistaken.
Many or even most of the people who post under a nickname are readily recognisable to other members of the baseball community. Most importantly, though, any person joining the Forum leaves a footprint from which their identity can be traced by various means – and if necessary by police warrant.
Despite some of the negative comment that is heard from time to time, the Forum has a pretty good track record of not drawing potentially defamatory comment. It is true that some discussions have become too personal. Sure, the Forum engages in criticism and it challenges people and organisations over baseball issues. Sometimes unfair, inaccurate and even stupid comment is made. And on occasions we need to edit or delete remarks because of their offensive or potentially defamatory nature.
But not all that often. Most members – especially those who have been with us for a while – understand how far they can reasonably go, especially in such a sensitive discussion as this one, where rumour, innuendo and untruths have no place.
This thread has raised legitimate and serious questions about a convicted child sex offender and his involvement with Australian Baseball Digest, a publication of secretive editorship which for a time had a worrying Facebook connection with hundreds of young people.
While paedophilia rightly elicits anger and abhorrence, people have the right, even the obligation to air their concerns about how it may impact upon the baseball or broader community. However, we need to remain measured in what we say and we need to steer absolutely clear of making comment that is based on lies and innuendo or that places any credence on the word of a disgraced, convicted, listed child sex offender and/or any supporters that he might have.
The thoughtless, objectionable and simply untruthful comments that were made earlier this week were defamatory and would in all likelihood hold up in court – with the author being identified and held to account, along potentially with moderators of this Forum.
And who would most like to see that happen?
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