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Post by Dan on Nov 10, 2014 17:54:14 GMT 10
From the same article
"Granted, there was an international cricket match being held at the same time just down the road at the MCG"
Just down the road? It's 25 odd kms from the city to MBP! Just down the road *laugh*
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Post by legend on Nov 10, 2014 23:06:12 GMT 10
Windsor Knox to be gone in a week. What a waste of $ having 3 people to do a job one person should be doing
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Post by wearnie52 on Nov 11, 2014 7:22:37 GMT 10
Have I missed something Legend? Who are the three people being paid to do the job?
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Post by moose on Nov 14, 2014 6:36:44 GMT 10
Strong opening win for the Aces at Brisbane last Night 7 - 6. Aces led from early on with good long ball baseball. The Bandits closed the gap with a very strong 9th Innings.
Well done guys, just two to go for our FIRST away series win. EVER.
Neil W
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Post by lonewolf75 on Nov 14, 2014 7:32:20 GMT 10
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Post by moose on Nov 15, 2014 5:54:52 GMT 10
Yet another 1 run loss to the Aces 6 - 5 in the 2nd game of the bandit series. Despite the score line indicating a close game the Aces were never really in the game after trailing by 3 runs after the 1st innings. Good work in the 9th to post two runs, but unfortunately fell short by a single run.
I suspect the TRUE state of the Aces will become clearer after we play one of the other clubs. Could be a long season methinks.
Neil W
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Post by ricky on Nov 15, 2014 8:57:36 GMT 10
not sure if we watched the same game moose,admittedly I didn't pick up the early innings last night however what I saw at the death had me on the edge of my computer seat, take away game 1 of the season and I am a BIG BIG BIG FAN of what is happening on the field with the aces, with the chance to win every game since I hope the season continues in the same way.
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Post by moose on Nov 16, 2014 11:56:47 GMT 10
We each see what we want to see. I hope that you are proven correct and I incorrect.
To me the real test will be when both teams (Bandits and Aces) play the other teams in the next series. Only then will these two series be put into their proper context.
Go ACES
Neil W
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Post by mattc on Nov 18, 2014 16:45:31 GMT 10
Hi,
Two things:
1) According to Wikipedia (not the most reliable source, I know), MLB only committed to the league for five seasons. This is the fifth season. Does anyone know if there have been developments regarding MLB's commitment to the league beyond this season? I'd hate to see the ABL fall in a heap.
2) Does anyone have any hope at all for the Aces season at this point? To take only two wins from those first two series is pretty woeful. The bullpen seems weak - I streamed that final game up in Brisbane and we just seemed to have no answers. Also I miss Casteel and a few of the others from last year.
Cheers
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Post by moose on Nov 19, 2014 5:48:06 GMT 10
Good day.
To answer your questions
1) I believe there was a two year extension but not really sure so don't quote me on that.
2) Not looking very good and may get worse once the Japs go home.
Neil W
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Post by philniekro on Nov 19, 2014 9:37:48 GMT 10
The old saying.. You can lead a horse to water..No offence to M Wearne but can someone please tell me how he has been given the task of getting players to play. I heard he is on the selection committee or some committee overseeing players.. Is this correct. if you haven't got the cattle, you are not going to play well and if they don't want to play for the new manager, get in someone who they will play for. IMHO
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Post by larry42 on Nov 19, 2014 9:50:38 GMT 10
The old saying.. You can lead a horse to water..No offence to M Wearne but can someone please tell me how he has been given the task of getting players to play. I heard he is on the selection committee or some committee overseeing players.. Is this correct. if you haven't got the cattle, you are not going to play well and if they don't want to play for the new manager, get in someone who they will play for. IMHO He's officially listed as Baseball Operations on the Melbourne Aces website.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 10:20:56 GMT 10
Phil, from the few aces players I have spoken to, they enjoy the new manager.the GM is who the players are complaining about. The other issue is aces pitching staff. If they get a good start, the releivers blow it.
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Post by philniekro on Nov 19, 2014 11:50:02 GMT 10
A sI said, you can lead a horse to water. I have heard the same about the new manager. GM ( well that's a way different story ). As I mentioned earlier, I have nothing agaist Mick but it just amazes me how he can be baseball operations manager at a ball club like the aces. Surely there are more qualified people than that to do the role. BTW, What does the role entail
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Post by russelledwards on Nov 19, 2014 12:23:31 GMT 10
The Aces playing personnel problems have nothing to do with Mick. He is a Baseball Lifer and I suspect if the Aces were to double his Salary, he would still be receiving zero. He loves the Game and I'd hate to think how much his work for the Aces would have cost him over the last 5 years. The on field problems could be largely addressed, if each Club was affiliated with one Major League Team (as was the case with the ABL Mark 1). If that was the case, each Team would be receiving 4 or 5 legitimate prospects to form the nucleus of their Line Up. Having to rely on Independent League and Japanese players that are only here for half the season is not the answer.
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Post by moose on Nov 19, 2014 12:46:10 GMT 10
Have to back up Russelledwards here about Mick Wearne and his contribution to the ACES over the life of the club so far.
From my dealings with Mick through the Hangar Boys, I know that he gives everything he does 150% of both his time and Effort. The Aces would be much the worse off with out his efforts.
Suggest you look elsewhere for the problems and the answers.
Neil W
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Post by larry42 on Nov 19, 2014 14:10:11 GMT 10
Have to back up Russelledwards here about Mick Wearne and his contribution to the ACES over the life of the club so far. From my dealings with Mick through the Hangar Boys, I know that he gives everything he does 150% of both his time and Effort. The Aces would be much the worse off with out his efforts. Suggest you look elsewhere for the problems and the answers. Neil W I wouldn't have thought that the suggestions were aimed at Mick, that's not how I read the post.
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Post by pirates on Nov 19, 2014 16:46:21 GMT 10
I agree I don't think the question was about the effort or quality of the person but about who might have more experience in recruiting and managing the list. Its a legitimate question.
Although I don't see how all of the problems at the Aces can be placed on the shoulders of 2 individuals. There is a board of directors behind this group who are suppose to be the decision makers. Can anyone name the members of the board.
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Post by wearnie52 on Nov 19, 2014 17:52:15 GMT 10
I am pretty sure its quite an easy answer.
Like pretty much every other 'job' in baseball, no one is actually getting paid. As someone who has been involved in the game for a long time now at various levels, I don't see a hell of a lot of people raising their hand to assist on a volunteer basis. Even most of the actual paid staff that I have had dealings with don't seem to actually do much. They certainly don't go above and beyond.
I'm not sure how qualified Mick is, but I can tell you there isn't anyone else that would have put in the hours or effort he has. He is a passionate baseball person who literally gives up his own money and time to try and assist baseball. The Aces are very lucky to have him helping out for nothing.
So, as I said above, the answer is easy. I bet there's plenty of more qualified people out there...but I can't think of one who would spend upwards of 20 hours a week to help out for nothing. Might be wrong though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 19:24:46 GMT 10
Agree 100%, wearnie52 - in all respects. It is an extraordinary - and extraordinarily odd - feature of Australian baseball that volunteers and part-timers are somehow expected to carry the can for the paid employees in the sport. Those of us who have been around the game for a while have observed how this strange phenomenon seems to play out - especially when things are not going as well as we might like. Although not directly Aces-related, just to give another example of the abrogation of responsibility of our Australian governing bodies..... Australian Baseball Alumni was recently established through the patronage of quality, unpaid baseball persons seeking to give something (AKA plenty) back to the sport. An enormously exciting project, with great potential to do great things. Yet the response that has so far been forthcoming from governing bodies (IE Baseball Australia, the state associations and even the ABL) has been, from my observation, very disappointing. We don't even get a link on their websites, despite producing some of the best material in the land and despite committing to a range of fund-raising initiatives and instructional resources (prepared - free - by the very best baseball people) to assist in player development. People like Mick Wearne - and many others - are applying their experience, their valuable time and their knowledge of the game trying to help out, for crissakes. People like Mick - and many others - treat their input seriously, often to their own personal detriment. Many of our paid employees? Well, I expect that they sleep well at night. A paid 9.00 to 5.00 gig (or more likely 10.00 to 3.30) is not a bad deal if you can swing it Baseball people need to embrace what our committed lifers, tragics and volunteers are seeking to do. For those who want to apportion blame, try sheeting it home to those enjoying the salaries, the freebies, the lurks and the perks - including the CEOs, front office and the faceless board members who somehow seem to gravitate towards baseball administration. We have to get collectively better at what we do, under vibrant and committed leadership. Otherwise the Aces, the ABL and this sport are going nowhere. Mediocrity just won't cut it.
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Post by lonewolf75 on Nov 20, 2014 6:44:09 GMT 10
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Post by ricky on Nov 20, 2014 12:21:11 GMT 10
well you guys are quick to stick in the boots, from what i can make out all of you have been around the game long enough to know how it works? but here goes anyway Aces are last, Bandits on top, so against the top team they touched us up twice we beat them twice and lost 4 games by a run, added to that bandits had a series under there belt before Aces started game1 and yet Aces are still only 2 games behind 3rd place on the ladder, PUT YOUR KNIVES AWAY till christmas then give me heaps if we still stink if we dont lookout im coming after you
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Post by legend on Nov 22, 2014 22:34:00 GMT 10
well you guys are quick to stick in the boots, from what i can make out all of you have been around the game long enough to know how it works? but here goes anyway Aces are last, Bandits on top, so against the top team they touched us up twice we beat them twice and lost 4 games by a run, added to that bandits had a series under there belt before Aces started game1 and yet Aces are still only 2 games behind 3rd place on the ladder, PUT YOUR KNIVES AWAY till christmas then give me heaps if we still stink if we dont lookout im coming after you Who is quick to stick the boot in? Re read the thread
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Post by ricky on Nov 23, 2014 17:49:25 GMT 10
Tell you what Legend took your advice and had a bit of a read on this thread page 7 only, then decided you need to answer yours first before I give you the courtesy of doing same
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Post by ricky on Nov 26, 2014 10:06:31 GMT 10
on a positive note, can someone advise me/us who was the genius that signed the two current best players [Deglin and Buckel] in the ABL to the Aces staff?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 12:15:44 GMT 10
Tommy Thompson
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 13:29:03 GMT 10
on a positive note, can someone advise me/us who was the genius that signed the two current best players [Deglin and Buckel] in the ABL to the Aces staff? Great pick ups. on a negative. I dont think Henry was worth signing untried after tommy john surgery. Surely there was someone else 100% healthy and 100% mentally ready to go? thoughts?
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Post by bobby on Nov 26, 2014 15:18:41 GMT 10
I think that is the point of the ABL whoswignsit, getting players ready for the US season. Henry will need game time somewhere so it may as well be in the ABL.
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Post by The Puma on Nov 26, 2014 15:31:52 GMT 10
If that's the point of the ABL then it's doomed for failure.
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Post by bobby on Nov 26, 2014 16:29:55 GMT 10
Pretty sure that would be the point, much like the guys learning new positions such as the Bandits catcher who was an infielder.
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