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Post by lonewolf75 on Apr 4, 2013 10:20:02 GMT 10
Posted by authentic on Yesterday at 8:29
Back to rumours (perhaps facts now) I hear B Grade VWBL will be 12 teams that split into 6 and 6 after they each play each other this year.
Interesting. Will make for some fascinating mid/late season conundrums for some clubs I expect.
Interesting idea authentic. I notice on the MWBL website the have fixtures up for A, B and C grade up through to round 18.
I also note no bye round this year in C grade, a full 18 rounds listed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2013 14:16:11 GMT 10
Seems to me LW75 like every year the MWBL gets more and more professional.
Great admin as far as I can tell and I love that Fixtures again have an 'as at [date]' on them so we know whats going on IF it ever changes.
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Post by headinsand on Apr 4, 2013 16:27:25 GMT 10
As always KC a very astute observation about the state of the game but I would like to add that the era you are reffering to was truely "amateur". Now the game is full of young players who through no fault of their own believe they are better than they actually are (usually because scouts tell "little white lies" to the player and parents about how good they really are). And KC you forgot the main reason, plain GREED. Once someone gets paid others naturally ask themselves the question "maybe I can get some money"? The vicious cycle began with the first ABL and I don't see it changing now, especially with more and more players returning from the USA thinking they deserve to earn a little extra. legga27 just gave an answer to defend his club and never really answered the question! which is his right but his statement about "facts and this forum are not the best of friends" is exactly why this forum is a beautiful thing, give us the truth or we will make it up! Clubs will pay some players but when another player asks for "some financial assistance" and you don't think they are good enough, remember the rot started years ago and we still refuse to believe or admit it exists!
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Post by sanchez2 on Apr 4, 2013 16:42:13 GMT 10
It’s great to see the MWBL trying to make B Grade more competitive and bridge the divide between A & B the league is looking very challenging this year. However for fringe A/B grade clubs it’s becoming a smaller and smaller window of opportunity to get a shot at staying up.
Retaining players in B grade is a lot of work especially with the younger quality guys, it seems they get fed the “must play A grade” line by any club who needs a third or fourth pitching option.
There are some really good quality guys in B grade, with some great coaching. By no means am I saying B Grade has the same calibre & depth as A grade but with regards to the younger guys I feel, playing B-Grade firsts every week is just as good as A-grade seconds with the odd re-entry thrown in.
What do you guys think?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2013 21:13:48 GMT 10
It’s great to see the MWBL trying to make B Grade more competitive and bridge the divide between A & B the league is looking very challenging this year. However for fringe A/B grade clubs it’s becoming a smaller and smaller window of opportunity to get a shot at staying up. Retaining players in B grade is a lot of work especially with the younger quality guys, it seems they get fed the “must play A grade” line by any club who needs a third or fourth pitching option. There are some really good quality guys in B grade, with some great coaching. By no means am I saying B Grade has the same calibre & depth as A grade but with regards to the younger guys I feel, playing B-Grade firsts every week is just as good as A-grade seconds with the odd re-entry thrown in. What do you guys think? I agree - and I reckon young guys need to get the feel of being 'the guy' in the ones (and around the club) to best prepare for A Grade. in my view this is a better way of blooding them for taking on the responsibility of playing A Grade as compared to them being in the shadows of the 'big boys in an ARes team for a season or two albeit the re-entry rule used well is another good way to blood the good young klds coming through in A Grade clubs too of course.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2013 21:16:59 GMT 10
PS: I'm hearing now (tonight) that the split of B Grade after all 12 teams play each other once may be back off the table FYI.
Makes for an imbalanced draw but I gather thats what the B grade clubs wanted in the end.
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Post by perfeckt on Apr 4, 2013 21:41:51 GMT 10
Can we start a 'fact file'? Then we can get back to the totally salacious and fun part of rumour. p.s. Dereck Jetta is leaving the Yankees and playing for the Winter Rustlers in the DBA!!!!!
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Post by behindthedish on Apr 4, 2013 22:34:41 GMT 10
Good points Headinsand. During the early 70s, I was at a club that made $30K a few years on the trot through fund raising and other activities. So the committee decided to pay the "best guys". What happened though, is some of the "average guys" were performing better than the best guys. They too then asked for money (and rightly so), but were denied and eventually left. The money then dried up and the "best guys" left too. That club is now struggling in a lower grade.
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Post by getabita on Apr 10, 2013 13:09:22 GMT 10
At what point did I nominate that this was only an A1 discussion champ? Also that wouldn't be the first time you called a lot of ppl at once in baseball idiots!! I was kinda looking forward to that game!!!! But I guess well just need to take our hats off again to the like of mornington and us that wanna give It a crack!!! Although we are putting 5 teams in at bony this yr, I can tell you our 1's and 2's squad will be a real development situation for us!! Giving some really good kids a go etc etc!!! Something I know mornington do also!! I watched some of the B grade final last yr and thought the standard was quite good - was looking forward to seeing both those two teams come up into A1 but like others in the league, idiots as you call them - have every right to learn that this will not be the case!! Got anything to add to this post mate?
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Post by rhricho on Apr 10, 2013 13:27:14 GMT 10
yeh, you know who i am, who are you?
interesting you spent the time to go back through old comments - bored?
Glad to see Pakky coming up, some god ppl there and they are trying hard to build their club! hats off I'd say! feel free to post anything else you feel necessary and tell us who you are at the same time!
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Post by getabita on Apr 10, 2013 15:16:51 GMT 10
yeh, you know who i am, who are you?
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Post by rhricho on Apr 10, 2013 15:19:03 GMT 10
i know who you are, just interested in your interest in me? wouldn't of thought the DBA was of interest to you either?
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Post by oldmanriver on Apr 12, 2013 14:37:03 GMT 10
Heard on the grapevine that a Div 1 pitcher is throwing in C grade and the Club in now only a shell by name as most of the players have departed.
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Post by hank on Apr 13, 2013 10:27:53 GMT 10
A lot of cryptic BS posting OMR and getabita, I too have heard some things during the week re the DBA. Say it as it is, or put up and shut up! All sorts of clubs go through tough times, however it is more about how they push through it and bounce back than negative cryptic rubbish!!! OMR as I have been told recently, not that long ago your club was looking to merge with another just to remain in existence at all!
While I am at it, with the league I follow more closely the MWBL It is a credit that this league is so well run, but it is also extremely important that the league has an excellent spread of great players playing at different clubs. Players almost represent their home town in a way, IMO this is a huge factor as to why the league is so strong and competitive.
Good luck for the winter in all league's and maybe just maybe this could all lead towards the Queens birthday weekend being as strong again as it was 5-7 years back! I for one will love to go again and watch this sort of district, competitive and passionate baseball that strong leagues with strong teams have created once again!!
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Post by oldmanriver on Apr 15, 2013 7:33:03 GMT 10
Well hank, your are off the mark by a long shot and the clubs involved in preseason discussions are alive and well, nothing to do with existance and nothing to do with a merger. Perhaps you should try and get the facts before you start letting your fingers type. But then again, this is the Rumour file, not a fact file.
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Post by hank on Apr 15, 2013 10:11:56 GMT 10
Well played again, that’s two posts now without any substance. Screams of, if you can’t back up your comments don’t make them. Cryptic posting is the lowest form of rubbish, say it or say nothing IMO! You can suggest I think before I type, perhaps have a little swig of your own medicine. If your read my post again, i was asking you to nominate the club you were prattling on about without the BS, the second part of it was about throwing stones in glass houses. The club you are involved with went through issues and was looking for a means of survival at one stage yourself within the DBA!
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Post by The Puma on Apr 15, 2013 10:17:59 GMT 10
Lighten up richo.
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Post by rhricho on Apr 15, 2013 11:17:25 GMT 10
WTF???
Nothing to worry about hear mate, I am following this thread due to Getabita’s interest in me? Kinda like to know why he has such a personal interest really, I sent him a PM without anything response and am also looking forward to chatting to him when I get the chance. I am not even sure who OMR is??? I also think a lot of his posting and insight is quite good! As for Hank not sure why you think I am him as you say? Is it because we posted in the same thread? Perhaps he knows me or talked to someone else at Bony? Baseball is a small community mate and a lot of crap gets flung around, At the end of last season of Bony, I made it quite clear (at Pres night) then and there I was stepping down – anything that has happened since is out of my control. I am proud of what I achieved there and I know a lot of members said to me (not sure why they would lie to me directly either) that it was the best down there that it has been for years. We had 20-25 members for meals (prepared by club ppl) each Thursday night, our training went from like 5.30 till sometimes 8.30-9 for guys that wanted etc and so on. The success of the club wasn’t great (at A1 level obnly), but that is due to a few guys the couldn’t go around again from the prev years such as Howell, Donald and our SS. This meant we needed to blood juniors again and we did our best to make this happen, we also gave a lot of young guys a chance higher than where they expected, all positive things as I see it. Now I hear a few things have happened for this season at Bony that is not great, I put a clearance in awhile back to go to Frankston again – this is where my brother plays and I want to play a quiet role within a club once again (nothing else to that really). Bony is a great club with a lot of fantastic people and again I enjoyed my time there, how they go forward with appointing coaches new committee etc is their own business and something I hope they do well. End of story really! Didn’t need to say all that, but it is as simple to say I was done as of Pres night and gave as I could to the club – I am not worried what anyone thinks in terms of what has or is happening and how it effects me as they most likely will never know the full story or effort that was put in. Having a guys like Longy and Pimmy by your side was simply excellent and this made for a good club during my time. We had senior teams make finals some won the flag others got there etc, again all positive as I see it! As I said above, great to see you put in for the A grade and I wish you all the best for this year. Pretty much is the result of all the hard work you and others have put in. I have minimised my posting on here and that’s kind of the way I wish to keep it really, I hope this DBA season is good one, a lot of changes have been made and I can see they are trying hard to make it successful for all involved.. Cheers Richo!
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Post by oldmanriver on Apr 15, 2013 11:38:37 GMT 10
hank, I am definately not referring to Bonbeach. If that helps you out at all. If you want cryptic, look to the 38th pararell and you may get the answer. Enough said. Rhricho, I should see you Thursday at Frankston. Maybe hank would like to turn up and pick the difference between yourself and I.
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Post by oldmanriver on Apr 15, 2013 15:21:58 GMT 10
Just to let you know hank, Carrum Downs, Moorabbin and Bonbeach will be travelling very nicely this season. Just wanted to put your worrying mind to rest.
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Post by dirtyword on Apr 15, 2013 17:25:39 GMT 10
FFS you just don't get it do you OMR....
Who gives a rat's if Terry Jeon is pitching in C1 for Oakleigh. Who cares if the club is essentially a team of Koreans. If that's what it takes for Oakleigh to survive another season, so be it. Maybe, during the season the club stalwarts will be able to put some processes in place, get some additional members and move on with additional teams in future seasons. Hank is merely stating that your precious Cardinals were in a similar situation not so long ago, so you should be supportive not be a d!ck, as you should know what it's like struggling for numbers.
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Post by hank on Apr 15, 2013 20:36:25 GMT 10
A lot of cryptic BS posting OMR and getabita, I too have heard some things during the week re the DBA. Say it as it is, or put up and shut up! All sorts of clubs go through tough times, however it is more about how they push through it and bounce back than negative cryptic rubbish!!! OMR as I have been told recently, not that long ago your club was looking to merge with another just to remain in existence at all! While I am at it, with the league I follow more closely the MWBL It is a credit that this league is so well run, but it is also extremely important that the league has an excellent spread of great players playing at different clubs. Players almost represent their home town in a way, IMO this is a huge factor as to why the league is so strong and competitive. Good luck for the winter in all league's and maybe just maybe this could all lead towards the Queens birthday weekend being as strong again as it was 5-7 years back! I for one will love to go again and watch this sort of district, competitive and passionate baseball that strong leagues with strong teams have created once again!! To bite or not to bite, they say as soon as you react you have lost! Is Oakleigh not in the DBA? have you thought that someone there might be my link? I don't know anyone at Bonbeach and OMR, I live a fair way from Frankston to venture down hoping to bump into some old fella's I still call good friends! As I have stated, baseball in victoria is very small so why members continue to say negative comments about other clubs has me baffled!
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Post by thequietthinker on Apr 16, 2013 8:46:01 GMT 10
FFS you just don't get it do you OMR.... Who gives a rat's if Terry Jeon is pitching in C1 for Oakleigh. Who cares if the club is essentially a team of Koreans. If that's what it takes for Oakleigh to survive another season, so be it. Maybe, during the season the club stalwarts will be able to put some processes in place, get some additional members and move on with additional teams in future seasons. Hank is merely stating that your precious Cardinals were in a similar situation not so long ago, so you should be supportive not be a d!ck, as you should know what it's like struggling for numbers. Exactly, who cares. From memory he pitched for them a few years ago in B1, not much was said then why should there be now.
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Post by oldmanriver on Apr 16, 2013 9:26:59 GMT 10
Your right who cares, I sure don't care where he pitch's. Just having some fun with a rumour. And it was B2 last year they won the flag.
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Post by monster on Apr 18, 2013 20:12:34 GMT 10
Your right who cares, I sure don't care where he pitch's. Just having some fun with a rumour. And it was B2 last year they won the flag. so last year we had A1, A2, A3, A4, B1, B2, B3. this year we have A1, A2, B1, B2, C1, C2. i think that really means their team hasnt moved down and would still technically be playing in the 6th grade like they did last year
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Post by Chardy on Apr 19, 2013 0:20:16 GMT 10
I think we need to get a few things into perspective here. Lets just say that facts and this proboard at times are not the best of friends. But this isn't unusual or unique to this forum. As a long time penguin, I can remember back in the early to mid 90's when Heathmont was allegedly paying a rose grower and carpenter $10k to play...I doubt we had $100 but that was the story bandied about. At this point, HBC have received only 2 approved clearances for players, and not one of those are mentioned in this thread. So, why is Johne coming to the Penguins. I will let him answer that but location, location, location and existing mates might be a clue. Josh played 5 years at HBC from the age of 13 (I think), and we are thrilled he has indicated he would like to play again, a quality guy and great player. Thomas, after speaking with him today, is relocating from Geelong to Melb because of work so that MAAAYYYYYY have a little to do with it. If Jimmy Brooks ever comes home, what kind of outcry and payment rumours will float around if he plays at Heathmont...seeing he started as a junior. So before everyone accuses the Penguins of doing nothing more than any other club is doing, that being to try and be as competitive as we can be, think about GMBC - a decade of continuing success and players of immense quality both coming to the club and within. Larde and the guys there have done a terrific job, and we are doing nothing more than trying to emulate this success - if we get half as successful I can happily retire the red headed helmet throwing beast and be satisfied with a job well done. Lets not forget the $5k you paid me to STOP playing at the Penguins. PS - Glad that Penguins name stuck!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2013 1:02:32 GMT 10
I think we need to get a few things into perspective here. Lets just say that facts and this proboard at times are not the best of friends. But this isn't unusual or unique to this forum. As a long time penguin, I can remember back in the early to mid 90's when Heathmont was allegedly paying a rose grower and carpenter $10k to play...I doubt we had $100 but that was the story bandied about. At this point, HBC have received only 2 approved clearances for players, and not one of those are mentioned in this thread. So, why is Johne coming to the Penguins. I will let him answer that but location, location, location and existing mates might be a clue. Josh played 5 years at HBC from the age of 13 (I think), and we are thrilled he has indicated he would like to play again, a quality guy and great player. Thomas, after speaking with him today, is relocating from Geelong to Melb because of work so that MAAAYYYYYY have a little to do with it. If Jimmy Brooks ever comes home, what kind of outcry and payment rumours will float around if he plays at Heathmont...seeing he started as a junior. So before everyone accuses the Penguins of doing nothing more than any other club is doing, that being to try and be as competitive as we can be, think about GMBC - a decade of continuing success and players of immense quality both coming to the club and within. Larde and the guys there have done a terrific job, and we are doing nothing more than trying to emulate this success - if we get half as successful I can happily retire the red headed helmet throwing beast and be satisfied with a job well done. Lets not forget the $5k you paid me to STOP playing at the Penguins. PS - Glad that Penguins name stuck! Yeah but the whole league chipped in for that...
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Post by barb05 on Apr 26, 2013 16:42:00 GMT 10
Lets not forget the $5k you paid me to STOP playing at the Penguins. PS - Glad that Penguins name stuck! Yeah but the whole league chipped in for that... Hell, we used to send someone to Revolver every Saturday night just to spike his drink, yet he kept turning up. Reckon he even enjoyed it... probably played better on roofies.
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Post by legga27 on May 8, 2013 22:17:45 GMT 10
Cam, where do you think we got the money for the new clubrooms?? After everyone chipped in, we paid you the $5k and built it with what we had left over.
Your contribution to HBC will never be forgotten Hotdogs.
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