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Post by klattsy on Oct 6, 2011 9:16:01 GMT 10
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Post by wyatt33 on Oct 6, 2011 9:54:19 GMT 10
Anyone want to show me where I wasn't supporting the team. I want them to win as much as the next bloke. No one likes to see these results. Bit precious to come on and call people muppets, when it is clearly an elephant in the room. Its so easy to cough up excuses, but to not have scored a run in three games snd have over twenty scored against you, surely some questions can be asked? Fair enough, players have had limited team prep, but I'm assuming all the guys are coming straight of the back of a season, so they, although tired, should be fit. As for luck, you can't excuse these results on luck. If their not up to it, then fair enough. Hope to improve each game, get some wins, maybe sneak into the next round, then even better. But please don't get so bloody sensitive about a little two bit comment from a two bit player, on a 2 bit forum. It's what it's here for!
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Post by sanchez2 on Oct 6, 2011 10:00:01 GMT 10
If Beresford keeps going 10 for 4 every game we might just have a shot! Does that mean his batting average is 2.500?
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Post by rhricho on Oct 6, 2011 11:23:33 GMT 10
Wyatt33 - recently I sat at an AFL game next to this Fat bloke yelling out how usless some of the players from his team were - The rest of the crowd, including me were laughing at him with the thoughts that mate surely you must have some realisation of how ridiculous you sound right now?? your comments remind me of him, It isn't about sensitivity at all champ, its about difference of opinion and someone saying different to your ridiculous comments. These guys are playing in the "Australian team" and trying to make a name in that team to further their career. I myself think that team and the exposure this tournament can get them could be a huge launch pad for their professional career (which is 95% of the guys job) also to go with that another step to being a thought as a regular on the Aus team.
Muppet? i would think is quite a simmered call to what you can write on here and your lucky to get away with that really! Wind up hacks like me mate, not the top level - why not ask your best mate Rusty how the team is going?? (sorry Rusty!)
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Post by The Puma on Oct 6, 2011 11:29:14 GMT 10
So everyone is alowed to have an opinion rhricho, as long as it's the same as yours. Wyatt is not on his Pat Malone in thinking it, he was just the only one dumb enough to say it.
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Post by rhricho on Oct 6, 2011 11:46:40 GMT 10
So everyone is alowed to have an opinion rhricho, as long as it's the same as yours. Wyatt is not on his Pat Malone in thinking it, he was just the only one dumb enough to say it. of course ppl have difference of opinion and I love a bit of banter for the fun of it - but mate even you mentioned, Even if you think it you wouldn't be that dumb to say it! But did you just do the same?? I learnt at a very young age don't pop off when you cannot back it up!
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Post by ramsrus2 on Oct 6, 2011 12:14:46 GMT 10
Negative thoughts lead to negative comments that then lead to negative actions. Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion whatever that is, but there is a time and a place to voice negativity and it's not when your team is struggling and not on a public forum that they go onto looking for moral support. The results speak for themselves and their noses don't need to be rubbed in it. The way fans treat the players at AFL, Rugby League and other sports where money flows is not the way I hope we as a baseball community want to behave.
Basically, we have young men (I think Jon said average age was 21 / 22?) 8 of whom have never played at this level, competing against players much more experienced who play up to AAA level baseball. The results we all hope for are a very steep task for this team but the experience they are gaining is invaluable for the future. I think Jon already pointed out when the team was announced that there is foundation building going on for the future.
I hope things turn around for them, but if not, I am looking forward to a bright future for these players.
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Post by Goblin on Oct 6, 2011 14:37:57 GMT 10
Never count out an aussie.
Go get em guys, give them a bit of Beer League rumble and tumble.
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Post by pirates on Oct 6, 2011 14:42:07 GMT 10
Anyone want to show me where I wasn't supporting the team. I want them to win as much as the next bloke. No one likes to see these results. Bit precious to come on and call people muppets, when it is clearly an elephant in the room. Its so easy to cough up excuses, but to not have scored a run in three games snd have over twenty scored against you, surely some questions can be asked? Fair enough, players have had limited team prep, but I'm assuming all the guys are coming straight of the back of a season, so they, although tired, should be fit. As for luck, you can't excuse these results on luck. If their not up to it, then fair enough. Hope to improve each game, get some wins, maybe sneak into the next round, then even better. But please don't get so bloody sensitive about a little two bit comment from a two bit player, on a 2 bit forum. It's what it's here for! Sometimes it’s better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are stupid than open your mouth and remove all doubt. If you have nothing positive or constructive to say don’t say anything at all. Our boys are great players there is no doubt about that our coaches are great coaches no doubt about that either. Things will work out for sure.
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Post by Chardy on Oct 6, 2011 16:19:34 GMT 10
Win a game! How bout score a bloody run!!!!!! I don't see what the issue is with this comment?? If Aussie Baseball got the media attention of all the other sports then i'm sure the journalists would be saying much worse. Could you imagine if the Aussie Rugby team had failed to score a try in 4 games at the World Cup? If the Soccer team didn't score a goal at the World Cup ?? Next point is - this is the Australian National Senior Baseball team - does is matter who was selected, what their age is and where they have played? No it doesn't - they are on the Senior Team - end of story. And just so you know, this post is about people sooking about what Wyatt wrote - not my thoughts on the team.
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Post by 3up3down on Oct 6, 2011 17:21:35 GMT 10
Main stream media has got this, google Baseball World Cup and read the three headlines so a forum member suggesting that a run wasn't out of the question is small fry. I don't see anywhere where anyone has disrespected the effort or the intent of the team and as supporters we can expect results especially considering the past great efforts of our national team. I'm sure some on that team have suffered the wrath of their american teams supporters who are not adverse to letting their own players know what they should have done. I just hope that these young players rise to the heights that we all hope but that they also are far thicker skinned than those that think comments on here are negative and lacking support. Good job we are all Australian becuase we wouldn't survive the microscope and criticism that abounds in the home of the game.
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Post by ramsrus2 on Oct 6, 2011 18:42:43 GMT 10
Next point is - this is the Australian National Senior Baseball team - does is matter who was selected, what their age is and where they have played? No it doesn't - they are on the Senior Team - end of story. Chardy, I don't understand your comment above? Are you saying that none of the factors you mentioned contribute to the potential for success?
If I interpreted your comment correctly, I guess you'd have the same expectations of a recently qualified surgeon vs one who has been operating for years? Would you be happy to go under the knife with that newly qualified surgeon performing his/her first operation rather than someone with more experience, because after all a surgeon is a surgeon?
I apologise if I misunderstood your comment and for the sarcasm, but I just think that statement is rediculous.
As fans, we have the right to expect that the players and staff give 100%, strive to do their best and that they present themselves in a manner that is expected of decent human beings. Apart from that, we have no right to expect anything.
I will be up a 5am tomorrow morning hoping that gametracker is working so that I can follow the game, go Aussies!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2011 20:45:38 GMT 10
This Forum is visited and supported by people who are passionate about baseball, people who want to see the game develop and thrive at all levels.
We have that in common, otherwise we would not be involved in the game and we would not be commenting on the range of baseball matters raised here and elsewhere.
We all want to see our players achieving great things and we want to see our national teams being successful. We want to be proud of our baseball people.
I think that goes without saying.
Results in the early games of the World Cup have been disappointing and are not what anyone of us would have liked – especially the players and the coaching staff.
People respond to disappointment in different ways and of course people have the right to express a view in analysing the situation (although preferably after a tournament is over).
What we do know is this…..
Australia put together its best available squad of players under management of the most astute and experienced baseball people in the land. Jon Deeble has made it clear that while the World Cup is important for Australian baseball, he is looking at our longer-term prospects over the next five or ten years.
This World Cup is pivotal in exposing our younger players to the quality of opposition around the baseball world. Our situation now may not be dissimilar to what Aussie baseball management inherited in the late 90s. Our performance at the 2000 Sydney Olympics was poor, and yet we turned that around to stun the baseball world with a silver medal in Athens 2004, followed up by excellent outings at World Cup and World Baseball Classic level since.
I’m an old dinosaur in the sport, but for what it is worth – win or lose during this tournament – I’m putting my absolute trust in the Australian players and management staff to do their very best for their team, for their country and for their own professional aspirations in the sport.
International baseball is a tough gig, especially for a small baseball nation. We’re going to have some wins and we know we’re going to cop some losses. But it’s our team, this Australian squad.
Win or lose, the team needs and deserves to always have our unqualified support.
We share in disappointment, as we rejoice in team success.
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Post by texasleaguer on Oct 6, 2011 21:24:10 GMT 10
This Forum is visited and supported by people who are passionate about baseball, people who want to see the game develop and thrive at all levels. We have that in common, otherwise we would not be involved in the game and we would not be commenting on the range of baseball matters raised here and elsewhere. We all want to see our players achieving great things and we want to see our national teams being successful. We want to be proud of our baseball people. I think that goes without saying. Results in the early games of the World Cup have been disappointing and are not what anyone of us would have liked – especially the players and the coaching staff. People respond to disappointment in different ways and of course people have the right to express a view in analysing the situation (although preferably after a tournament is over). What we do know is this….. Australia put together its best available squad of players under management of the most astute and experienced baseball people in the land. Jon Deeble has made it clear that while the World Cup is important for Australian baseball, he is looking at our longer-term prospects over the next five or ten years. This World Cup is pivotal in exposing our younger players to the quality of opposition around the baseball world. Our situation now may not be dissimilar to what Aussie baseball management inherited in the late 90s. Our performance at the 2000 Sydney Olympics was poor, and yet we turned that around to stun the baseball world with a silver medal in Athens 2004, followed up by excellent outings at World Cup and World Baseball Classic level since. I’m an old dinosaur in the sport, but for what it is worth – win or lose during this tournament – I’m putting my absolute trust in the Australian players and management staff to do their very best for their team, for their country and for their own professional aspirations in the sport. International baseball is a tough gig, especially for a small baseball nation. We’re going to have some wins and we know we’re going to cop some losses. But it’s our team, this Australian squad. Win or lose, the team needs and deserves to always have our unqualified support. We share in disappointment, as we rejoice in team success. Ditto.. and GO TEAM AUSSIE.. Your wins will come.
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Post by Chardy on Oct 7, 2011 2:26:03 GMT 10
Ramsrus2 - this is baseball, not rocket surgery or brain science......
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Post by ramsrus2 on Oct 7, 2011 5:15:44 GMT 10
Let's go!!! First run scored in top of the first. GO TEAM!!!
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Post by barb05 on Oct 7, 2011 6:40:59 GMT 10
Negative thoughts lead to negative comments that then lead to negative actions. Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion whatever that is, but there is a time and a place to voice negativity and it's not when your team is struggling and not on a public forum that they go onto looking for moral support. The results speak for themselves and their noses don't need to be rubbed in it. The way fans treat the players at AFL, Rugby League and other sports where money flows is not the way I hope we as a baseball community want to behave. Basically, we have young men (I think Jon said average age was 21 / 22?) 8 of whom have never played at this level, competing against players much more experienced who play up to AAA level baseball. The results we all hope for are a very steep task for this team but the experience they are gaining is invaluable for the future. I think Jon already pointed out when the team was announced that there is foundation building going on for the future. I hope things turn around for them, but if not, I am looking forward to a bright future for these players. Are you Jerry Springer's epilogue writer?
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Post by barb05 on Oct 7, 2011 6:55:17 GMT 10
Hell, call me open minded but I have no problem with what either Wyatt or Chardy said.
Regarding Wyatt's comments, take it for what it is, a supporter frustrated by not seeing any runs on the board. You can never tell someone that 'how they feel' is wrong... You might not agree, but that's life. Richo just loves to wind Wyatt up.
Chardy (for all the heckling) has played at a higher level than most of us would even dream of (not to mention Heathmont 2s - wow) and I don't think many here can boast the same professional insight as he has.
I do share the frustration, this same frustration is probably felt by all on the Aus team as well, and above all that frustration is because I want to see them do well.
maybe they need to get a bit mangier.
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Post by wyatt33 on Oct 7, 2011 8:04:00 GMT 10
I follow the bulldogs rhricho. Therefore I gave up worrying about yelling at players years ago. Also gave up worrying about some of the peanuts on this forum. If you'd like to start your own forum, where everyone has to fill in a questionnaire, sit a 2 hour verbal exam, have 3 different references, and pass a police check, then if the person appears to have the same opinions as yours, then start it. Last time I looked, you don't have to do this on here.
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Post by rhricho on Oct 7, 2011 8:15:27 GMT 10
haha great come back their champ!
pretty hard to hook a peanut, much easier to hook a Marlin such as yourself!!
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Post by klattsy on Oct 7, 2011 8:39:30 GMT 10
WOOT! Win for the boys!
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Post by stuartcapel on Oct 7, 2011 8:41:10 GMT 10
Let's get the focus back on the field, and on the team.
Final from today's game - Australia 4 Nicaragua 3.
(Nicaragua - sounds so much better when Beavis used to say it!!)
Team Australia is consequently still alive, but will need to win all three remaining group games to qualify for the next phase from how I understand the draw.
Can't be done? I remember an Australian team that had to win 10 straight to win the cricket World Cup, yet managed to win. Australia II was down 2-0 and 3-1 to Liberty in the '83 America's Cup but got the chocolates. I reckon the boys can still qualify.
To Deebs, swearne and all the boys in Pamana, all the best for the rest of the tournament.
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Post by The Puma on Oct 7, 2011 9:22:14 GMT 10
Some times the best motivation you can get is revenge. To stick it up the guy popping off from the stands, or in this case the forum. I'll bet Deebs was rubbing his hands together knowing that most of the boys would have been reading what was written, and I'm sure those who didn't were told.
Yep they stuck it up us, good on them and so they should. I hope they stick it up us again tomorrow too.
Most good coachs would understand that rhricho.
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Post by wyatt33 on Oct 7, 2011 9:45:28 GMT 10
It's good to see the boys in the w column!
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Post by rhricho on Oct 7, 2011 12:28:30 GMT 10
well done guys!! great win - keep truckin!!
not hungry puma....this thread aint about you, me or anyone else!
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Post by Buzz on Oct 7, 2011 12:53:14 GMT 10
Great Job Aussies!! We're not precious Wyatt. I am also not against free speech,(god knows iv'e said a few things out loud that i could have kept in)nWe all want them to score runs,maybe,just maybe,if you hadn't used the word 'Bloody'. There's a chance,i'm just saying, it might not have sounded so harsh.After all,it's not what you think,but the way in which you deliver it.Still, it shows from the replies,we all support our Aussie Ballers!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 13:41:12 GMT 10
See the General Aussie Board for the latest Deeble report (on the Nicaragua game).
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Post by larry42 on Oct 7, 2011 14:18:02 GMT 10
Let's get the focus back on the field, and on the team. Final from today's game - Australia 4 Nicaragua 3. (Nicaragua - sounds so much better when Beavis used to say it!!) Team Australia is consequently still alive, but will need to win all three remaining group games to qualify for the next phase from how I understand the draw. Can't be done? I remember an Australian team that had to win 10 straight to win the cricket World Cup, yet managed to win. Australia II was down 2-0 and 3-1 to Liberty in the '83 America's Cup but got the chocolates. I reckon the boys can still qualify. To Deebs, swearne and all the boys in Pamana, all the best for the rest of the tournament. Jeez Stu, you are digging pretty deep there mate. What about UConn women's basketball win streak recently broken? Firstly, looking at that roster i reckon a high majority could agree that we have a very talented squad playing at the WC. Good luck to Deebs, Phil and the boys for the rest of the way, hopefully they can put together win #2 and then continue on from there. Funny how one win can start changing the luck, hits fall in, pitchers work with more confidence, etc.. Some people can argue against this fact all they like, these guys have had to deal with a 40 hr flight?, terrible conditions, getting thrown around like rag dolls by the IBAF, plus the rest of what we don't know what's happening...and then suit up and play against highly rated baseball teams and play their best baseball. I've been lucky enough to travel away with previous womens national teams, and when you are forced to deal with all the bullnuts that are involved with playing in some countries/tournaments, it mostly works out that things just always go against you...the calls, line drives at fielders. As for what Wyatt said, maybe a lol at the end would have sufficed. I wouldn't think the hitters in Panama would let a statement like that get to them. Go get DR tomorrow boys!!
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Post by irb on Oct 7, 2011 20:59:16 GMT 10
In response to authentic's query as to "why did Panama get to host these games if it is so poorly done over there?", my take on the issues arising with the operation of the tournament is that they are to do with the IBAF rather than the host country.
Panama was awarded the right to host the tournament by the IBAF over other submissions by Taiwan and Venezuela. So the choice was limited to those countries, each of which would have their own issues in hosting. But looking back to the issues that arose with both the tournament and specifically with the Aussies in the 2009 World Cup in Europe, the one thing in common is the IBAF itself.
It is the IBAF that trumpeted the television coverage of the Cup, it is their responsibility to deliver on that and also Game Tracker that exhibits the same failings as it did 2 years ago. Likewise it is the IBAF who are responsible for poor travel and accommodation arrangements (noting that these were/are not issues in Panama City) , and all the other issues facing the Aussies.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 21:20:47 GMT 10
Interesting comment irb. One that prompts me to recall former IBAF official John Ostermeyer expressing some concern on Baseball Radio about the politics of the organisation and its capacity to deliver on major international baseball events.
To my knowledge, the World Cup has never been held in the southern hemisphere - certainly not in the last twenty years, anyhow. Perhaps it is time that Australia put in a serious bid for the event.
With a recent history of successfully hosting major events including the 2000 Olympics, 2002 and 2009 World Masters Games, annual Nationals, Australian Masters and the like, we have a proven track record and could certainly deliver a quality event without all of the peripheral issues relating to technology, accommodation, facilities and basic amenities.
Sure, it would require an injection of government funds to upgrade and lock down some of the playing facilities, but a Baseball World Cup played in Geelong/Ballarat/Melbourne (since we are posting in the Victorian board) would be a real winner for the sport - especially given the September/October timing (IE coinciding with AFL Grand Final, bewteen domestic baseball seasons and just a few weeks prior to the ABL season).
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