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Post by oldburger19 on Sept 3, 2011 22:43:09 GMT 10
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Post by bigstatements on Sept 3, 2011 23:19:41 GMT 10
"I'm going to pop your shortstops kneecaps out." WHAT KIND OF STATEMENT IS THAT  so you think that threatening retribution on a fourth party and possibly causing a lifelong injury to a amateur sporting participant is an intelligent thing to do. if so you don't belong or deserve to be involved in any type of sport with that sort of pathetic attitude. i'll admit i was nowhere near the ground at the time but reading the reports on this forum it appears that maybe the situation was unpleasant but that by no means condones your attitude in possibly inflaming the situation. last time i saw someone go in cleats up they broke both bones in their own leg, have now got a permanent leg, do you think it was really worth it !! add to the fact that if you don't slide, don't whinge if you cop a ball in the nose from the double attempt. |
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Post by bigstatements on Sept 3, 2011 23:21:53 GMT 10
permanent " LIMP "
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Post by MWBL PRES on Sept 4, 2011 9:24:30 GMT 10
Hi guys - seems like an interesting first week of finals. This is the first I have heard about any incident as far as Knox and Westgarth is concerned. There was a very experienced umpire at that game so I am sure there will be some communication back about the game if he feels it necessary.
As for Rules for Finals matches. The thing to consider here is that during the year we are playing in the depths of winter and have 2 matches per round on most grounds. We need to have a time game to ensure that games are completed. Come finals we have single matches on grounds apart from the 3 double header games in the last 2 weeks of the finals, where lights can be used to assist with finishing the game. Therefore, we play the full 9 innings.
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Post by rubebaker on Sept 4, 2011 11:02:55 GMT 10
The real question is who is going to which finals & who will you support? Knox owned B grade but going out in straight sets must be weighing on there mind. Or do you go see the penguins try & hit there way back into the grand final... Shout out to Doncaster Baseball ground it has been awhile since I have been there but the ground is awesome & stealing stealing Pickles stubby holder was a highlight, jk.
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Post by hightower on Sept 4, 2011 16:22:14 GMT 10
So what gives Slowmotion? Wake up this morning to retract your statement by deleting your post? So what if a few people know who you are behind the alias. The fact remains you were hiding and decided to slander then offer your opinion on how you would then 'get even' only for 'Bigstatements' to highlight this and then you run?
When you get out from behind the bushes I'll explain to you how you hve mis read what I have said. I feel I'll be waiting a long time for this though.
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Post by slowmotion on Sept 4, 2011 16:47:41 GMT 10
Righto craven. It's a dog act not to slide. Plain and simple it's bullnuts baseball. Sure I woke up this morning and retracted a comment I felt MAY have been harsh. I still stand by you have to slide on any play at second base.
But if the opposition doesn't slide, there will be retribution. And I really couldn't care which one the other 8 teammates or him, one of them will get hurt.
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Post by hightower on Sept 4, 2011 19:13:26 GMT 10
Congratulations motion you've spelt my last name right twice. Still you hide. So you're telling me that as a baserunner if you sense the fielder moving off the line and that you'll be safe you still have to slide?
Going by some of your other posts you're out to make heaps of friends so I guess you'll stay under your rock.
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Post by 1947 on Sept 5, 2011 11:58:24 GMT 10
Hightower, IMO, from what i've seen of this bloke in the two games we played against them, he is pretty loose and plays the old school type of baseball. Plays hard but not fair and can be dirty. Thats fine with me but not quite in th spirit of the game. So i kinda think that he MAY have intended to cause harm IMO.But the only person who can answer that is him. I do believe in sliding(diving) into second.
I think Slowmotion has been caught up in the emotions of playing finals and seeing two mates taken out of the game. I'm sure he wasn't the only one thinking these thoughts?
In saying this though, I will be going to watch the two Westgath v Knox games and i really hope that Knox lose both and spend another year in div 2. BTW Who the hell aks to be demoted anyway? So they lost some players? Stiff ---- stay there and cop a beating like some of the strugglers do!
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Post by blaze on Sept 5, 2011 12:01:46 GMT 10
A bit of a grey area in baseball.
Although there is no rule saying you must slide, if you were to run down the line and barrel the SS, an umpire will call you out for interference and when you ask why, it’s because you didn’t slide. I have seen this call before.
The rule talks about impeding the play, surely not sliding impedes the play.
My opinion, you should slide and you must slide.
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Post by sanchez2 on Sept 5, 2011 12:16:37 GMT 10
After kicking around in B-res for many years I can tell you that I am not surprised, this guy used to do this crap all the time when we played against him and I do not put it down to playing hard I think that on the field he is just a d!@k.
It is disappointing because Westgarth has some great young players and are a top bunch of guys and this player does not set a good example for the younger blokes.
IMO people often get caught up with the unwritten rules of baseball but that aside, common sense tells you that you don’t go knocking over 17yo kids.
Just slide
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Post by hightower on Sept 5, 2011 14:13:46 GMT 10
Firstly 1947 and sanchez, I'm not having a go at you but I never made comment on the actual play as I was not at the game. I did say that age has nothing to do with it and stand by that. Play seniors, expect same treatment as seniors. I also said you don't have to slide all the time as I explained in a later post.
I have spoken to Dave today and what he explained to me was exactly how I pictured it in Rammo's rant. I am not a spokesperson for Dave either. The throw was down the second base line and brought the fielder along with it. Perhaps this was the wind Rammo was talking about? Contact, I was informed was a couple of metres away from the bag and before the point you would actually start sliding in Dave's mind. So any contact was not malicious and purely accidental. There is nothing in the rules to say you have to hang around and see if the fielder is ok. Some people play the game the hard way and some don't. Once you walk off the field you forget about it and move on. Have a drink with the opposition and get ready for the next game.
Still, all of this seems lost on Mr.Motion. He continues to hide like a boy in a gang taking cheap shots at one defenceless person on the ground.
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Post by andyt on Sept 5, 2011 14:41:56 GMT 10
Jeez what an interesting week of baseball, As the co coach of knox I can say that everybody at the club is concerned for Chris Williams who heads in for surgery in a couple weeks after copping a HPB to the face. - Part of baseball. I did not see the other incident but know all participants and would like to think that Dave wouldnt do something like what has been reported by some, the way I see it, if it was bad enough to be ejected and reported then it may be a topic of interest, if not, move on, I know thats what we have instructed the boys at the nest to do. Finals baseball is heated sometimes, sometimes people do things they regret, baseball has a funny way of paying people back if they have done something wrong.. So Lach and Slowmotion, have a field day on each other by all means, but leave knox out of it. And 1947, thanks for the well wishes, we will see you saturday, come and say hi and introduce yourself to the team that you want to suffer in B grade for another year. What was done last year was deemed necessary at the time by the powers that be, what we have done since then is do everything we can to be promoted in the right manner, that includes playing the game hard and fair in B grade all season. Losing to waverley on sat wasnt part of the plan obviously so we have some work to do... looking forward to a great battle with the garth on saturday, who as our little mate Lando says we have a healthy respect for on and off field... game on
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2011 15:10:10 GMT 10
Geez Im busting to say about 3 different things about all this but I wasnt there and Ill keep my mouth shut.
I will say though Andy that I really hope Chris is OK. great 'kid' and from a real nice baseball family and it is shocking to hear that he is in the condition he is in - wish him all the best for me will you mate (Ill email his old man now I think).
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Post by sanchez2 on Sept 5, 2011 16:06:58 GMT 10
Well said andyt,
On another note, it was awesome to see some high scoring finals games, nothing more exciting to watch than a good old slugfest (unless you are watching from the mound).
I think the loss for Knox is a blessing in disguise, I always hated the week off and going into the GF as favourites, how many people have the storey of “We were undefeated the whole season until the Grand Final”.
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Post by farnt on Sept 8, 2011 13:48:39 GMT 10
I have been informed that: a) The game will end at 2 hours and 45 mins just like a junior game does. Hence the reverting of scores. b) Lardio - I have also been informed that if the game is tied after 2 hours 45 mins then the home side (higher side on the ladder) goes through. Can anyone enlighten me with what happens with the E1 Grade draw on Saturday - Mitchell and Wheelers Hill had a 16 - 16 draw according to the MWBL website. I have read the finals conditions but there is no answer there (please correct me if I'm wrong). Rammo - good to know you have been informed so perhaps you could help here. MWBLPres? |
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Post by rammo on Sept 8, 2011 14:03:48 GMT 10
I have been informed that: a) The game will end at 2 hours and 45 mins just like a junior game does. Hence the reverting of scores. b) Lardio - I have also been informed that if the game is tied after 2 hours 45 mins then the home side (higher side on the ladder) goes through. Can anyone enlighten me with what happens with the E1 Grade draw on Saturday - Mitchell and Wheelers Hill had a 16 - 16 draw according to the MWBL website. I have read the finals conditions but there is no answer there (please correct me if I'm wrong). Rammo - good to know you have been informed so perhaps you could help here. MWBLPres? I'm worried I have it wrong now. I asked "does the game stop at 2hours 45min playing time no matter where we are in the game". I was told yes (like a junior game was my example). I then asked "what happens if the game is tied after 2hours 45mins is played. Do we replay the next day?" I was told no the higher placed team goes through. I saw your post in the Wash Outs thread with the following: No-Result Rule: Where wet or inclement weather or ground conditions prevent a game not achieving the Minimum Game Requirements (90 minutes or 5 innings) or reaching the maximum playing time without a result, the following procedure will apply: 1. SEMI FINALS: All Grades – Saturday Game Day / Sunday in case of Saturday washout Tuesday night for A Grade and B Grade only. Highest placed team moves to next round if Sunday washed out 2. PRELIMINARY FINALS: All Grades – Saturday Game Day / Sunday in case of washout Tuesday night for A Grade and B Grade only. Highest placed team moves to next round if Sunday washed out 3. GRAND FINALS: All Grades – Saturday Game Day / Sunday in case of washout Tuesday night for A Grade and B Grade only. GRAND FINALS REPLAY IF REQUIRED: All Grades – Saturday Game Day / Sunday in case of Saturday washout If week four washed out, dual premiers will be declared So I am now a bit confused. I was informed by the MWBL Administrator. The thought of playing for 2:45, ending in a draw and then playing the next day is a bit.. daunting.. |
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Post by 4crownies on Sept 8, 2011 14:18:01 GMT 10
I have been informed that: a) The game will end at 2 hours and 45 mins just like a junior game does. Hence the reverting of scores. b) Lardio - I have also been informed that if the game is tied after 2 hours 45 mins then the home side (higher side on the ladder) goes through. Can anyone enlighten me with what happens with the E1 Grade draw on Saturday - Mitchell and Wheelers Hill had a 16 - 16 draw according to the MWBL website. I have read the finals conditions but there is no answer there (please correct me if I'm wrong). Rammo - good to know you have been informed so perhaps you could help here. MWBLPres? As the manager of the MM i can enlighten you all. Correct, the rule states if the scores are tied after 2H 45 then the innings reverts back. However, we were in front by 7 (with none out from memory) when the rule was invoked. The inning simply should have been played out |
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Post by rammo on Sept 8, 2011 14:25:59 GMT 10
So what is happening? Replay? I see the Finals fixture for E1 is still "unfinished"
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Post by 4crownies on Sept 8, 2011 14:30:56 GMT 10
So what is happening? Replay? I see the Finals fixture for E1 is still "unfinished" being replayed at 1.30 saturday at bundoora |
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Post by ramrod on Sept 8, 2011 15:52:58 GMT 10
I see the MWBL have again amended their finals match conditions, this time doing away with the 2hr 45 min rule,( IMO it was a stupid rule to have in the first place), no finals game should end with scores tied
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Post by stuartcapel on Sept 8, 2011 16:27:44 GMT 10
So what is happening? Replay? I see the Finals fixture for E1 is still "unfinished" being replayed at 1.30 saturday at bundoora Good to see that common sense has prevailed 4C! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2011 18:13:31 GMT 10
Agree SC - good luck 4C, remember to drink plenty of fluids as part of your preparation for Saturday.......... you may have lost some (fluids) during your earlier rant  |
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Post by farnt on Sept 8, 2011 20:08:44 GMT 10
So finals for just E1 pushed back a week then. Why wasn't there a reply Sunday or perhaps a mid week game at say LaTrobe (logistically mid point)? I'm glad this didn't happen to my team as I'm away the week after finals so would be very pi55ed if league HQ did this to me.
Ok then, had the rule been fixed for this week? What if it's a draw after 2.45 ;-)
These appear to be new rules - maybe they could be refined next season MWBL.
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Post by MWBL PRES on Sept 8, 2011 20:11:46 GMT 10
Hi all, it is correct that MWBL revised Finals Match Conditions were posted today and are available on the MWBL website.
With all good intentions, and listening to many people talk about the fact that we play 2 hour games during the year and when we get to finals it becomes 9 innings, which can be a real stretch for 'social' players, we did reduce the allowed time of game.
With the weather the way it is forecast this weekend, and with us all wanting to get a result on the day we play, we have made changes to these finishing times. Outside of A & B Grade, all other grades are now consistent at 2.5 hours with 5 min rule. We have removed the 'extra' time limit for C grade, D1, D2, E1, E2 as these games can be played to a conclusion if tied after 9 innings or after the end of the 5 min rule innings.
A grade plays 9 innings, no time limit, and again, plays until a conclusion if tied after 9 innings. B Grade due to the restrictions we have with lights (their grading) can only be used as supplementary so will play 9 innings or 3 hours with a 5 min rule and an extra 30 min if needed.
The early games of the double header are also 2.5 hours with a 5 min rule, but an extra 30 min if needed.
As for a tied game, this has been debated heavily and although we do not have 100% agreement, the decision is that a tied game is NOT a no result, and that it will need to be replayed - as in Wheelers Hill v Mitchell Majors. It can cause some problems for teams waiting to play the Prelim & GF, but we felt that a washout is a shocking way to get dumped (wouldn't you agree AndyT?) and maybe this shouldn't happen with a tie or draw.
For those MWBL'ers out there, I am putting together a proposal for 2012 and beyond and will be canvassing all clubs (in the same way we have with match conditions) in respect to finals playing conditions - afterall, it is you guys and gals that are playing and hosting finals, I am just watching and seagulling for a free beer (hint, hint for Saturday). This will be a chance for clubs and players to have their say. I will present some 'scenario's' under which we can structure these finals matches and then come up with the best conditions we can. There are many variables that many players and clubs are not aware of, so this will have to be taken into account.
One last thing, whilst mentioning beer....clubs that are hosting finals also make alcohol available under the terms of their State Liquor Licence. In most cases, these licence conditions restrict BYO to a open, public space. I would ask that all players, supporters and spectators respect the host club, the volunteers that are manning canteens and bars, setting up grounds etc, and DO NOT bring alcohol to these games. DO NOT put a clubs liquor licence in jeopardy by bringing an eski or car fridge full of grog. We have made it very clear to all clubs that we will be very strong as far as club imposed penalties are concerned if we get reports that visiting clubs and spectators decide to ignore this direction/request. Can I please ask the good folk on the forum to ensure that the BYO to grounds practice is not in place this year.
Good luck for the next 2 weeks, lets hope mother nature is kind to us!!
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Post by farnt on Sept 8, 2011 20:25:24 GMT 10
Thanks Mark, attentitive as usual and earnt yourself a beer...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2011 20:41:10 GMT 10
Well done, Mark.
As always, a direct and commonsense approach to scheduling and other baseball issues.
This Forum was largely designed to encourage hands-on and effective communication. Other governing bodies could well learn from MWBL on how to embrace and to use the technology to their advantage.
We're all in this together. The fairest and the best outcomes for clubs should always be our priority.
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Post by 4crownies on Sept 9, 2011 8:16:21 GMT 10
Agree SC - good luck 4C, remember to drink plenty of fluids as part of your preparation for Saturday.......... you may have lost some (fluids) during your earlier rant I was very sober when i wrote that  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2011 12:06:33 GMT 10
Agree SC - good luck 4C, remember to drink plenty of fluids as part of your preparation for Saturday.......... you may have lost some (fluids) during your earlier rant I was very sober when i wrote that Nothing to do with the grog mate.....more to do with your 'suggestion' earlier in the week (clue = 'unsucked'). Good luck t/row. |
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Post by 4crownies on Sept 9, 2011 12:22:26 GMT 10
I was very sober when i wrote that Nothing to do with the grog mate.....more to do with your 'suggestion' earlier in the week (clue = 'unsucked'). Good luck t/row. Oh i know what you meant And thanks |
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