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Post by The Puma on Jun 4, 2012 12:41:27 GMT 10
Your barking up the wrong tree stu, I'm not against it. I just want to know if the rule exists or not. And I agree, if the rule isn't there it should be, but does that make it technically correct in this case and how will the protest pan out.
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Post by sueridgpipe on Jun 4, 2012 13:21:12 GMT 10
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Post by wyatt33 on Jun 4, 2012 13:23:27 GMT 10
So blokes raking the diamond after a game with a stubbie and a dart are breaching the code, and therefore bringing the game into disrepute?
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Post by sueridgpipe on Jun 4, 2012 13:26:22 GMT 10
i do also recall an a grade game a couple of years back where a quite credentialed umpire allowed me to enter a game knowing i had knocked over numerous ales to replace an injured player, saying when questioned by the opposition" so what there is no rule on that in my book"
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Post by sueridgpipe on Jun 4, 2012 13:27:23 GMT 10
Poliitical correctness gone mad wyatt33. great job on the roof frames to mate!
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Post by stuartcapel on Jun 4, 2012 13:34:44 GMT 10
stuartcapel what has happened to the weekly DBA pre-round post.........was great reading last season. Glad you appreciated the read dazza. Am putting together a bit of an Aces database at present should I decide to do the Round Previews at ABL level next season. Was easy going back one year, but two is a bit more difficult, and with a bit more of a database I can hopefully come up with some more interesting stats/information on the league.
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Post by turtle06 on Jun 4, 2012 13:48:34 GMT 10
Gentlemen,
The thing here, is not whether the umpire was told or not by someone that a player(s) was drinking. He is the game official that is responsible for health and safety of everybody who is on the playing list in that game.
If perpetrator was allowed to play in his current state and was hurt or he hurt someone. His action alone would cause tremendous issues for his team mates, his club, the league he is playing in and ultimately himself. It would be a case of show me the money!!! And point me to an attorney…
So if his mates thought that having a traveller before a game is good thing…think again…I am sure the rest of the clubs within the league will not be appreciative of another fee rise!!!
And the bad publicity that will follow…I am not sure it’s doing any good now.
FYI…as an official I had to stop 2 players from playing in a game due “Alcohol consumption”. I told the respective manager that main concern was the safety of everybody playing in the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2012 14:03:12 GMT 10
So blokes raking the diamond after a game with a stubbie and a dart are breaching the code, and therefore bringing the game into disrepute? No.
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Post by The Puma on Jun 4, 2012 14:12:43 GMT 10
How do you justify that authentic? Acording to the link provided it is.
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Post by The Puma on Jun 4, 2012 14:20:35 GMT 10
Gentlemen, The thing here, is not whether the umpire was told or not by someone that a player(s) was drinking. He is the game official that is responsible for health and safety of everybody who is on the playing list in that game. If perpetrator was allowed to play in his current state and was hurt or he hurt someone. His action alone would cause tremendous issues for his team mates, his club, the league he is playing in and ultimately himself. It would be a case of show me the money!!! And point me to an attorney… So if his mates thought that having a traveller before a game is good thing…think again…I am sure the rest of the clubs within the league will not be appreciative of another fee rise!!! And the bad publicity that will follow…I am not sure it’s doing any good now. FYI…as an official I had to stop 2 players from playing in a game due “Alcohol consumption”. I told the respective manager that main concern was the safety of everybody playing in the game. So once again he can legally drive but he's too pissed to play baseball? On Saturday in our B2 game we had a guy who threw for Sandy's firsts, 2.63 era, probably about 80mph and on 2 hours sleep( he told the umpire). None of our B2's got anywhere near him. Fortunatly he didn't get anywhere near our B2's either. So should the umpires knowing what they knew have let him take the field? What's the difference?
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Post by sueridgpipe on Jun 4, 2012 14:44:09 GMT 10
true turtle but my point is he hadnt been seen by n official. No different to a player standing behind a dugout sucking on a cigarette mid game and an umpiring turning a blind eye. that happens regularly . mountains and mole hills I believe
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Post by dirtyword on Jun 4, 2012 14:51:05 GMT 10
So blokes raking the diamond after a game with a stubbie and a dart are breaching the code, and therefore bringing the game into disrepute? Name a single club that has a liquor licence that extends onto the playing field? - risking the clubs licence, potential fine, loss of income from no bar sales, fair call to say it's breaching the code! And if not purchased from the clubs bar? - how many objections on this forum to brings grog from home instead of buying from club?
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Post by broohaha on Jun 4, 2012 15:00:46 GMT 10
Couldn't agree more Stu and that was my point - that the rules are not clear as to the ramifications. If it is clearly spelled out then no one can whinge as to the consequence but too much grey area just begs for misunderstood interpretations.
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Post by peterbrand on Jun 4, 2012 15:16:01 GMT 10
ahhh where would we be without some good old DBA alcohol related controversy - and we haven't even had the winter carnival yet!
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Post by sueridgpipe on Jun 4, 2012 15:20:30 GMT 10
ahhh where would we be without some good old DBA alcohol related controversy - and we haven't even had the winter carnival yet! WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ONE STUBBY HERE MATE I WOULDNT BE GETTING TO CARRIED AWAY.
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Post by broohaha on Jun 4, 2012 15:28:28 GMT 10
Great point Puma, if we're going to jump all over the health and safety/duty of care bandwagon (which I belive is entirely valid and important), I can't see any difference!
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Post by pirates on Jun 4, 2012 15:37:16 GMT 10
Couldn't agree more Stu and that was my point - that the rules are not clear as to the ramifications. If it is clearly spelled out then no one can whinge as to the consequence but too much grey area just begs for misunderstood interpretations. OK so we need a rule that says everyone should have commonsense !!!……..having a quite drink after a game is completely different to knocking back a few cans before a game and if you don’t see it that’s a problem. So the next thing will be breathalysers before a game to make sure you don’t drink before a game, commonsense, come on boys no club should be allowing anybody to drink alcohol before a game. What sort of image do we want to project particularly to young players and parents from both teams let alone the potential for injury and or abuse. NO ALCOHOL BEFORE A GAME, commonsense, you don’t need a rule for that.
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Post by gtrain2 on Jun 4, 2012 15:40:59 GMT 10
It definitely wasn’t the B1 coach who dobbed them in. The first time most of us heard about it was when Wokka told us. It didn't particularly bother us, we would have let them play.
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Post by oldmanriver on Jun 4, 2012 15:47:02 GMT 10
The difference is very minimal, the Johnny Hoppers have a breath testing thingy, the Umps have a supposedly higher intelect and the abiliaty to judge sobriety. It is a ruling that does need clearing up before someone does get hurt and legal circumstances may arise. Perhaps the umpires should do a sobriety and breath test before every game, that will cut out the big Friday.
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Post by gtrain2 on Jun 4, 2012 15:48:20 GMT 10
Also I was lead to believe they were told they would be ejected if they played. As they didn't take the field I assume there isn't any further action.
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Post by The Puma on Jun 4, 2012 15:50:21 GMT 10
Yea it's turning into chinese whispers. I just wanted to know if there was a rule or not, clearly there isn't and the umpire was wrong in this case. Lets hope the DBA add it in before the start of next round.
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Post by eckersley43 on Jun 4, 2012 16:00:48 GMT 10
Re Umpire Health..The umpire taken to hospital from the Melb Uni v Nth Balwyn game didn't have a heart attack as suspected (great news!) but obviously something was amiss that he is going to follow up.
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Post by broohaha on Jun 4, 2012 16:14:33 GMT 10
Pull ya head in pirates! Simply stating that if they are going to mention the subject of alcohol in a rule, then at least make that rule clear, because it is not! That's commonsense, don't leave it open to interpretation......simple. I agree that there should be no drinking before a game! But as has been previously brought up, going by your logic commonsense says if you have one beer, you shouldn't be driving - agreed?? Or is baseball more dangerous than being in control of a one tonne piece of machinery that can go as fast as a pitch is thrown?? I agree commonsense would be handy!
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Post by gamer on Jun 4, 2012 16:31:31 GMT 10
I reckon a lot of you people have lost the plot. As I understand it - it was Dandy's fifths team. I have been around the DBA for the best part of 1/2 century and I can tell you that in the 1's and 2's in every club that I know it is all taken very seriously, but down the grades these players lack some skill and ability to play at that level, so just play for the enjoyment of it and the camoradery of their team mates. This would also include players either having a couple of beers before the game or stopping off for a counterlunch on the way to the ground and having a couple. Unless you have a zero tolerance on alcohol, how do you detect people that might have stopped off at the pub and had a couple. Even then, if oyu had a zero tolerance - you need an alcohol testing regime. Considering it is not a problem at the elite level I think everyone just needs to taske a cold shower and leave it alone. It has gone on down the grades (with absolutely no ramifications) since Jesus played fullback for Jerusalem.
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Post by gamer on Jun 4, 2012 16:32:47 GMT 10
I reckon a lot of you people have lost the plot. As I understand it - it was Dandy's fifths team. I have been around the DBA for the best part of 1/2 century and I can tell you that in the 1's and 2's in every club that I know it is all taken very seriously, but down the grades these players lack some skill and ability to play at that level, so just play for the enjoyment of it and the camoradery of their team mates. This would also include players either having a couple of beers before the game or stopping off for a counterlunch on the way to the ground and having a couple. Unless you have a zero tolerance on alcohol, how do you detect people that might have stopped off at the pub and had a couple. Even then, if oyu had a zero tolerance - you need an alcohol testing regime. Considering it is not a problem at the elite level I think everyone just needs to taske a cold shower and leave it alone. It has gone on down the grades (with absolutely no ramifications) since Jesus played fullback for Jerusalem.
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Post by oldmanriver on Jun 4, 2012 16:33:34 GMT 10
I suppose commonsense comes from the Clubs and don't sell alcohol before game time, but it won't stop players going to the pub or sitting in their car with a six pack. You can only police it so far. If caught, no play and a fine. Perhaps on double headers, no alcohol to be sold until atleast 2.15pm. (After all a civilised person will wait for mid afternoon before partaking).
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Post by broohaha on Jun 4, 2012 16:33:35 GMT 10
Jesus played footy??
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Post by oldmanriver on Jun 4, 2012 16:37:48 GMT 10
I though Moses played fullback!
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Post by sueridgpipe on Jun 4, 2012 16:59:31 GMT 10
Oldmanriver are u serious 2.15? cum on, civilised or not im not waiting that long for one on a saturday arvo!
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Post by oj on Jun 4, 2012 17:23:36 GMT 10
Would have thought if you are going to have a drink before a game you would do it rather quietly and not have any chance of being caught or seen by an umpire or anyone else. The person got caught and fair enough, it's a bush league move.
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