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Post by gilmore on Jul 21, 2011 10:20:14 GMT 10
Can some people give me your thoughts on how the HR Derby should be run when there is 14 clubs in the DBA? I have thought about having 3 pools and the winner of each pool plays off in the final.
Let me know your thoughts
Cheers Irvo
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Post by stuartcapel on Jul 21, 2011 10:50:27 GMT 10
GI,
Depends on how you want to run it, do you wish to run it as which 'club' is the best or which 'individual' is the best?
If done on an individual basis:
14 x 2 = 28
You need an extra four people to make a Round of 32 so essentially you could progress through a Round of 32, 16, QF's SF's and Final. (A couple of extra rounds = more sales at the canteen too!)
I'll throw this as a suggestion out there for how to get the extra four participants. Get two from the women's league (it is a DBA comp afterall) and offer a 'wild card' which can be determined a few ways, whether by auction, where the highest bidder get the wild cards or via a raffle where everyone would get an equal shot at a place. I'm can see Chase Cevec winning the raffle and then thrashing his older brother in the tournament.
You can determine whether or not you'd want to bring the fences in further for the WC winner and the ladies - that's the club's perogative.
If going teams, you have 14 already, so you need two more teams. You can choose from a host of options here, be it having a women's 'team', auction/raffle winners etc.
My 32 person draw did leave one spot out (if you have two women and a wild card). The remaining spot is easily filled.
For the MLB All-Star game, the people get to vote on who plays. Why not do something similar on the forum?
Put up a number of names and we, the forum users, can vote a preson (or team for that matter) into the 'draw'.
Looking forward to the day.
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Post by gilmore on Jul 21, 2011 11:23:50 GMT 10
Well i have heard that Ormond and Oakleigh might not send players so that leaves us with 24 players.
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Post by 6for8 on Jul 21, 2011 14:09:14 GMT 10
I see this horse quickly becoming a camel. Keep it simple. Clubs nominate there allocated hitters, how is up to them. Once nominations are in, divide the participants and have an elimination round to reduce the number to a workable one... Namely eight.
Wildcards, voting, adjustable fences? If a club nominates an under 12, does that mean he only needs to hit the ball ninety feet? Come on people...
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Post by stuartcapel on Jul 21, 2011 14:19:05 GMT 10
Just providing an option 6for. No skin off my nose if you don't use it.
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Post by 6for8 on Jul 21, 2011 14:30:35 GMT 10
Just to put it into perspective, if you had 32 contestants. There will be 320 bat swings... In the first round... If no-one hits a home-run...
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Post by stuartcapel on Jul 21, 2011 15:11:39 GMT 10
You'd then have 14 clubs putting up ordinary hitters, plenty of sales over the bar and some good barracking from the crowd. Extra swings means extra time and extra bar sales. Extra bar sales = extra profit (well, it should). If you 'sell' a place or two in the field, that's increased the revenue for the club as well. Again, you don't have to use my suggestions, they are afterall, just suggestions, but I do suggest that when your club coach has asked for suggestions, to then just instantly rubbish the only response thus far is poor, but we move on...
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Post by rhricho on Jul 21, 2011 15:51:57 GMT 10
def a short porch so you do see more hit over and personally I think if you swin tin in the level you play at the you swing tin in the Derby If you play in A1 or A2 then its simple you swing wood. It obvious that their are plenty of members in lower grade capable of hitting the ball further than most A1's and 2's - Maybe just maybe this should highlight the factor that the comp needs to have more A1 and A2 teams!!!! perhaps each club should only enter 1 hitter??? to keep interest on the day?? also maybe hold another event The old timed sprint from the plate to 2nd base could be another event on the day? Trust me my old man still holds the record for the DBA and it's faster than the VBA's standing record!!! the DBA time wasn't recognised!!!!!
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Post by gilmore on Jul 21, 2011 16:11:04 GMT 10
What has been discussed that we dont want 2 players from the same club to be in the final because it would be an unfair advantage to the other clubs.
Yeah Rhricho that would be a good idea for the A1 or A2 to swing wood but then you have to include B1 to swing wood as well becasue that is what they are swinging in the season.. So i think that is would be a better viewing when guys are swinging tin.
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Post by rhricho on Jul 21, 2011 16:24:41 GMT 10
didn't you just highlight my point???
don't get me wrong looking forward to it and all views should be positive as that is what the day is all about!!! my point about more A1+2 teams is not negative to this great event well done Dingley!!
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Post by gilmore on Jul 21, 2011 16:29:00 GMT 10
so you want every one to swing Wood then. Becasue B1 wood have to swin wood as well
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Post by pakkyp on Jul 21, 2011 17:39:37 GMT 10
Maybe swing whatever their allowed in the grade they played mostly in. I'm sure Mouse (majority b2) would be happy swinging tin if he represented us.
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Post by pakkyp on Jul 21, 2011 17:41:05 GMT 10
Oh and 6for I think U12s have to hit 200feet for a HR
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Post by gilmore on Jul 21, 2011 17:41:48 GMT 10
well i will just have to wait and see who the clubs are going to nominate before i make it a wood or tin HR Derby
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Post by 6for8 on Jul 21, 2011 18:57:38 GMT 10
You'd then have 14 clubs putting up ordinary hitters, plenty of sales over the bar and some good barracking from the crowd. Extra swings means extra time and extra bar sales. Extra bar sales = extra profit (well, it should). If you 'sell' a place or two in the field, that's increased the revenue for the club as well. Again, you don't have to use my suggestions, they are afterall, just suggestions, but I do suggest that when your club coach has asked for suggestions, to then just instantly rubbish the only response thus far is poor, but we move on... This event is not about turnover Stu, it's about quality of product. Something that members of this forum have been critical of in the past when in comes to many things baseball. Personally, 4-5 hours watching guys who can actually get the ball out semi-consistently is preferable to 6+ hours watching those same guys do it amongst those who can't. And make no mistake, the larger the pool, the more guys that... Can't. Sorry for the 'poor' response Stu, but like they say; if you don't want to be criticized, do nothing, say nothing, be nothing. After all, there are no stupid suggestions...
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Post by farnt on Jul 21, 2011 19:08:00 GMT 10
How about set up two L screens and two screened pitching stations and have two guys altenating or playing off pitch for pitch (he says taking into account 6for8's last comment). Bearing in mind safety this could work - maybe lefty v righty. As SC says - just suggestions from a MWBL payer who would love to see one Hayden Dingley (sic) make a guest appearance
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Post by wookie on Jul 21, 2011 19:11:07 GMT 10
Make it the hitters choice what they want 2 swing. We r looking for the best slugger and we still want 2 put on a good show 4 the crowd. y should the guys that play in the lower grades get an advantage
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2011 19:32:54 GMT 10
Let the hitters swing what they want. Though if some of the bigger A-Grade hitters are swinging tin, i'd almost wanna wear a helmet if I was throwing BP!
Shorter fences are a good idea. Though perhaps only have the 8 reps (do it like the MLB HR Derby)? Maybe 16 reps, but at the very most... Otherwise it would take a LONG, long time, and too many rounds might tire guys out ALOT (especially with such a long break between the 1st round & 2nd round etc).
Would love to see a guy like Brad Harman (ex-MLB player, World Series Champion) make an appearance... That would surely have to help publicity/sales?
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Post by gilmore on Jul 21, 2011 19:46:07 GMT 10
Yeah it would be a good idea of getting a guest appearance Like Dinger or D. Mack. or Harmo.
We will be getting 1 or 2 players from the ACES to be a guest hitter but they wont be in the HR Derby itself.
We want all the Clubs Represented not just the Top clubs in the A Grade. We want to make it a DBA thing.
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Post by Spice on Jul 22, 2011 11:15:07 GMT 10
Just a question and I'm not having a crack, but has anyone thought about insurance? This doesn't seem to me like an official DBA event. I may be wrong here but their logo isn't used anywhere on the flyer. It's called the "Dingley Baseball Club Home Run Derby". Are people covered by the usual insurance on the day?
6for8, 360 swings in a round means maybe over 450 balls thrown in a round. That's a hell of alot of balls to have lying around.
Does anybody know any bookies that could be down there for the day? Could be a nice little money spinner!!!
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Post by gilmore on Jul 22, 2011 13:36:18 GMT 10
It is not an Official DBA thing. But we took it to the DBA P&S meeting the other month and all the other clubs seemed to like it and then we run with it and we are trying to make a day out of it for all clubs to finish the Season on a high and some excitement.
Well maybe you can bring down a bookie Spice if you really want to but it is not about making money on the day. It is a day for everyone to enjoy.
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Post by skinny on Jul 22, 2011 14:37:55 GMT 10
6for8, I know i got about 450 throws left in my arm...or do it as they do in the states ( if it hasnt already been suggested )..byo thrower..didnt this happen afew years ago when the DBA played ? in an all star game.. i know i threw bp for that HR derby...
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Post by skinny on Jul 22, 2011 14:42:13 GMT 10
Hey, if they swing tin, make sure its a F&*king good L screen
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Post by gilmore on Jul 22, 2011 14:55:25 GMT 10
Yeah it will be BYO thrower.
And yeah we just got our L Screens fixed so they should be good to go and no ball should get through
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Post by gilmore on Jul 25, 2011 17:42:55 GMT 10
I was just wondering, Have Clubs thought about who is going to enter the HR Derby? Dont be scared to nominate anyone from your club.
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Post by cb on Jul 25, 2011 18:22:42 GMT 10
The angels are holding a trial run to give every1 the chance to participate, at this stage there will be 1 player from the A1-A4 and then 1 from The B1-2-3. With there nominated pitcher hitting the bat all day.
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Post by gilmore on Jul 31, 2011 19:36:20 GMT 10
At Dingley we will be having a trial run of our own as well. We will be doing it this sunday coming and we will be putting up a home run fence that will be the same as the one on the day of the Actual HR Derby. The Players that enter for the dingley will have to be Financial.
Have Clubs decided who is going to be entering the HR Derby. On the Day people will get to Swing Tin and they have to have there own BP throwers. If you are going to be entering the HR Derby we want you to be in Full Uniform or our club pants and the club undershirt.
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Post by gilmore on Aug 7, 2011 16:42:31 GMT 10
We just had our very own HR Derby tryouts today. We had 3 rounds of 10 outs, with everyone swinging tin and a slight wind blowing in from left field made it hard for the right handers. We just kept a tally of how many homeruns were hit in the 3 rounds.
The Winner of the HR Derby was Jake Sinclair with 7 Grant Irving with 6 Andrew Bailey with 5 Ash Ridd with 4
So Jake Sinclair and Grant Irving will be entering the HR Derby on the 28th August. It is still tough with the fence in 15 meters and a slight breeze coming in from left field.
So who is going to be entering for your club?
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Post by perfeckt on Aug 7, 2011 19:58:38 GMT 10
Cheltenham?
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Post by gilmore on Aug 7, 2011 22:30:01 GMT 10
Nah Dingley.
Still waiting to here from Chelt
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