To tank, or not to tank... that is the question??

[wearnie52]

Totally agree easyout, it seems Bundoora would be much better off with one team in the women's league instead of two.

Larry42......agreed it should go on results. But I feel a little for the Springy girls in Pool C. They only won one game during qualifying, against a waverley team that fielded 7 players. Their other win was a game they actually lost against Moorabbin, but they were given the points because Moorabbin played an illegal player. Seems a little harsh in qualifying to be given the points when they actually lost the game.

In saying that, our girls will play where they're told. They love baseball, and if they are made to tough it out in Div 2 for the year, they will.

[houghy49]

I'm actually more interested in where/when the women's games are going to be played this weekend with all the mens games scheduled on Saturday afternoon for the next two weeks!!

[eckersley43]

One solution that should be considered is to initially place teams where the clubs apply, then play 4 or 5 rounds to obtain accurate information for a redraw if necessary. It would require some manipulating of the draw so that teams coming up/going down played the same opponents prior to a redraw. The only problem with a straight promotion/relegation from the previous season is it hampers teams desiring to play in a higher division in recruiting higher division ability players who would find it easier to go straight an existing Division 1 team.e.g "imports"
We were promised a wide ranging review of Womens baseball last year which was to include people who had volunteered to give input. Nothing happened!..so it is hardly being unfair to the Commitee to criticise their pool system, which everyone agrees has been a disaster.

[splitfinger]

Any word on fixtures yet? Or even final confirmation of division splits?

[4crownies]

Nov 8, 2011 21:09:57 GMT 10 splitfinger said:

Any word on fixtures yet? Or even final confirmation of division splits?

Please find the following a combined ladder of all teams from Pools A, B and C based on the results
of the recent 5 round qualifying period.
Ladder
Pool Position Team P W L D Bye %
1st Pool A Springvale A 5 5 0
100
1st Pool B Doncaster A 5 5 0
100
1st Pool C Port Melbourne 5 5 0
100
2nd Pool A Malvern A 5 4 1
80
2nd Pool B Geelong A 5 4 1
80
2nd Pool C Footscray A 5 3 2
60
3rd Pool A Doncaster B 5 3 2
60
3rd Pool B Werribee 5 3 2
60
4th Pool A Springvale C 5 2 3
40
4th Pool B Melbourne 5 2 3
40
3rd Pool C Waverley A 5 2 3
40
4th Pool C Springvale B 5 2 3
40
5th Pool C Sandringham 5 2 3
40
5th Pool A Bundoora A 5 1 4
20
5th Pool B Footscray B 5 1 4
20
6th Pool C Moorabbin 5 1 4
20
6th Pool A Waverley B 5 0 5
0
6th Pool B Bundoora B 5 0 5
0
As per the Women’s Competition Memo sent to clubs on the 5th September 2011 the Divisions will
be made up as follows:
· Division 1: Six (6) teams, to be made up of teams that finished in the top two ladder
positions of Pool A, B and C.
· Division 2: Eight (8) teams, selected on the qualifying ladder results from all three Pools.
· Division 3: Eight (8) teams, the remaining teams from Pool A, B, C to join Pool D.
· The Summer League Committee will have the final determination on team placements in
Divisions. These placements will be at the discretion of the Summer League Committee.
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Therefore, the grading of the Divisions is as follows:
Division 1
Springvale A 1st Pool A
Malvern A 2nd Pool A
Doncaster A 1st Pool B
Geelong A 2nd Pool B
Port Melbourne 1st Pool C
Footscray A 2nd Pool C
Division 2
Doncaster B 7th ranked team
Werribee 8th ranked team
Springvale C 9th ranked team
Melbourne 10th ranked team
Waverley A 11th ranked team
Sandringham 13th ranked team
Bundoora A 14th ranked team
Moorabbin* 16th ranked team
Division 3
Footscray B 15th ranked team
Springvale B* 12th ranked team
Waverley B 17th ranked team
Bundoora B 18th ranked team
Doncaster C Pool D
Malvern B Pool D
Geelong B Pool D
*NOTE - The Summer League Committee reviewed the Pool C game between Moorabbin and
Springvale B, in which Moorabbin, despite scoring more runs, was adjudged to have fielded an illegal
player, thus losing the game. It was therefore considered that Moorabbin and Springvale B be
ranked should the score have counted, thus resulting in these teams swapping their ranking position
for allocation into Division 2 and 3.
The Regular Season will start on Saturday 12th November 2011 with 14 scheduled rounds plus Playoffs.
Clubs have agreed there will be no women’s games played on the 28th January 2012.
The Division 1 Women’s ladder during the Regular Season will be determined by the points system
with Division 2 and 3 ladders being determined by win percentage. As in previous seasons, Women’s
Division 1 games will be replayed where games have not reached a legal game status due to heat or
rain.
Results from the qualifying period will not carry over into the regular season.
Fixtures will be released very shortly.

[Chilli Wil]

Nov 7, 2011 9:58:33 GMT 10 houghy49 said:

I'm actually more interested in where/when the women's games are going to be played this weekend with all the mens games scheduled on Saturday afternoon for the next two weeks!!

This is becoming more relevant very quickly.

[houghy49]

Nov 9, 2011 8:00:42 GMT 10 Chilli Wil said:

Nov 7, 2011 9:58:33 GMT 10 houghy49 said:

I'm actually more interested in where/when the women's games are going to be played this weekend with all the mens games scheduled on Saturday afternoon for the next two weeks!!

This is becoming more relevant very quickly.

I have heard that one club has been asked to play a 9am game!!! You have got to be kidding... I haven't played a 9am game since I was 12 years old and I have no intentions of playing at 9am either of the next two Saturdays. I think they will find that a lot of players work on a Sat morning including myself.

[4crownies]

Nov 9, 2011 8:27:02 GMT 10 houghy49 said:

Nov 9, 2011 8:00:42 GMT 10 Chilli Wil said:

This is becoming more relevant very quickly.

I have heard that one club has been asked to play a 9am game!!! You have got to be kidding... I haven't played a 9am game since I was 12 years old and I have no intentions of playing at 9am either of the next two Saturdays. I think they will find that a lot of players work on a Sat morning including myself.

this has taken this thread way off track, but 1 last thing from me.
I hope they are going to send umpires to games that are traditionally played on Saturdays, rather than prop up other areas that in my opinion, is just plain wrong.

[thefacts]

Re: To tank, or not to tank... that is the questio
« Reply #55 on Nov 6, 2011, 11:07am »
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Interesting part of that one Mandi is Doncaster C is 4-0, while Doncaster B is 3-2, yet you have the B team in Div 2 and the C team in Div 3. haha.

I know this is due to different pools being stronger and so on, just a funny thing i picked up while having a look through the results!


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2 of the games Doncaster C have been given as wins were BYE's due to Upwey pulling out, so they only played 3 of the 5 games

[4crownies]

Nov 9, 2011 12:46:26 GMT 10 thefacts said:

Re: To tank, or not to tank... that is the questio
« Reply #55 on Nov 6, 2011, 11:07am »
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Interesting part of that one Mandi is Doncaster C is 4-0, while Doncaster B is 3-2, yet you have the B team in Div 2 and the C team in Div 3. haha.

I know this is due to different pools being stronger and so on, just a funny thing i picked up while having a look through the results!


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2 of the games Doncaster C have been given as wins were BYE's due to Upwey pulling out, so they only played 3 of the 5 games

Pool D had nothing to do with the re-alignment. They were there as teams that would be in the bottom tier regardless of preliminary results

[splitfinger]

I hope all teams have ended up where they wanted to.

Any danger that BV can actually release a fixture (even for just this week) so players know where to go on Saturday. I realise there are increased difficulties given that all mens games are scheduled for Saturday, but BV only have themselves to blame for this. It's now Thursday after 6pm and we have no idea what is happening.

Has anyone received any comms from BV regarding this weeks fixture?

[stuartcapel]

Not sure it's true that everyone ended up where they wanted as far as the juniors are concerned. I understand one club finished 3-1 in their group but is playing in the second tier behind a club that finished 2-2 as another club withdrew from the top grade.

[easyout]

splitfinger the fixture for this weekend was released yesterday lunchtime, or so I'm lead to believe because as a player I received a copy from my coach, via the club secretary.

[larry42]

Nov 6, 2011 20:15:57 GMT 10 wearnie52 said:

Totally agree easyout, it seems Bundoora would be much better off with one team in the women's league instead of two.

Larry42......agreed it should go on results. But I feel a little for the Springy girls in Pool C. They only won one game during qualifying, against a waverley team that fielded 7 players. Their other win was a game they actually lost against Moorabbin, but they were given the points because Moorabbin played an illegal player. Seems a little harsh in qualifying to be given the points when they actually lost the game.

In saying that, our girls will play where they're told. They love baseball, and if they are made to tough it out in Div 2 for the year, they will.

I do love your work Wearnie. Who were the poor girls in Pool C, was that Springy B or C? Coz Wav A play Springy C this week in the fixture, or is it B? Im easily confused these days with all the tanking talk.

Early talk is Wav have 8 and still trying to find a body, able or not, to make up the 9th number.

[wearnie52]

A, B, C.........the Divisions have been set, I am unsure why teams need a letter next to them now Larry.

If Waverley are that decimated by injury and lack of numbers, then they should pull a team out. Every club struggles with numbers, injuries, etc. my club is no different, and it certainly doesn't get easier with three teams.

[larry42]

Good luck to all girls playing in the 3 respective divisions now that the real season is underway.

[bundysundy]

Nov 6, 2011 20:15:57 GMT 10 wearnie52 said:

Early talk is Wav have 8 and still trying to find a body, able or not, to make up the 9th number.

Not going with 7 this week?

Really looking forward to the start of the season. Whilst its easy to concentrate on the negatives so far this season such as the tanking debate etc, there are some great stories out there for some clubs.

Just having a quick look at Div 1, an awesome effort with Springy getting up with three teams.

What a success Dean and the Geelong girls have been in getting two teams on the field.

Then how can you go past the Footscray girls suiting up for Div 1. In only 3 or so years, the forums own 4Crownies, with his dedication and commitment to Footscray and womens baseball in general has turned the whole womens program around. A truly awesome effort.

Then you cant forget the Port girls. Would of been so easy for that program to fold if it wasn't for some some absolutely committed players who have stuck around. Best of luck to them in Div 1 also.

[mandi]

Totally agree with you bundysundy, i think it is fantastic that there are more teams wanting to give it a go in division 1. I played for springvale when malvern and port were the power houses of womens baseball, and no other club had a chance, but the more you play against great clubs the more you learn from them and take that to make your club a success.
Good luck to all girls this weekend

[bigdog]

Thought would drag this thread up again never said anything about it before but after wandering over and having a look of 1st vs 2nd ( I think it was anyways) now I see why this post was started and totally agree just hope they don't take any pride on doing what they have do e if and when they win it all BV tried something different this year and it looks like the system has been rorted. And don't start me on they are older and stuff most of the team played for Vic's or Australia in the last few years!!!!!! Oh and by the way thanks for being able to buy a can of coke. Not impressed at all at the self claimed biggest club in aus.

[MF]

Once again, ignorant BS. Guess what? The Waverley women's firsts are only sitting 3rd on the ladder, having already lost 2 games to the Springvale and Doncaster 2nds. They're no guarantee today to even make the Division 2 GF, let alone win it. By my reckoning, if they can't easily beat the seconds of the Division 1 sides, then Division 2 is probably the right spot for them. You might have come to the same conclusion if you'd bothered looking up the BV site or talking to someone.

Yes, the girls won today on the back of some *outstanding* hitting, I hear. (Two HRs out of the park, at Waverley.) But guess what? That player wasn't even a club member two months ago; her brilliant performance is irrelevant to this thread. Once again: the girls have fielded their best possible team and tried to achieve its best possible result in every game it has played this year.

Perhaps next time you so generously drop in to watch a game, try talking to somebody who knows what's going on. Sheesh.

[larry42]

Feb 4, 2012 16:45:16 GMT 10 bigdog said:

Thought would drag this thread up again never said anything about it before but after wandering over and having a look of 1st vs 2nd ( I think it was anyways) now I see why this post was started and totally agree just hope they don't take any pride on doing what they have do e if and when they win it all BV tried something different this year and it looks like the system has been rorted. And don't start me on they are older and stuff most of the team played for Vic's or Australia in the last few years!!!!!! Oh and by the way thanks for being able to buy a can of coke. Not impressed at all at the self claimed biggest club in aus.

This old chestnut..

Fail to mention that the team that was 2nd played without their former state pitcher and one of the better younger pitchers going around in the game, because of work committments. She misses the last two weeks and both games the team couldn't stop the other teams bats.