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Post by The Puma on Nov 2, 2011 11:30:05 GMT 10
Just asking mate, best nine or not? But we know the answer to that don't we. You are like a dog with a bone aren't you? I know the answer because i'm involved. You don't because you are only guessing or going by poor advice. So what's the answer Kane? yay or nay Did Waverley field 7 players while other able bodied players watched or is that poor advice?
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Post by larry42 on Nov 2, 2011 12:05:37 GMT 10
You are like a dog with a bone aren't you? I know the answer because i'm involved. You don't because you are only guessing or going by poor advice. So what's the answer Kane? yay or nay Did Waverley field 7 players while other able bodied players watched or is that poor advice? Not that it matters what answer you get here because you, and others will believe what they want to believe. You must have chatted to Houghy49 who while at the game, is misinformed of player availability. You want to stir up stuff aimed at one team playing away in the womens league then thats your prerogative. In the end its just a group of women, and a couple of girls who are turning up on a Saturday to play a game of baseball. As someone who has coached them in previous years, and helping out where i can this year either coaching a base or scoring, and with a wife who plays in that team, i think i m in a position to say they are putting close to their best team available each week. Playing together is the reason they play because they are a social group. Winning pennants and 'beating teams up' in Div 2 isn't. Another bright comment that though rightie.
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Post by bcbc on Nov 3, 2011 8:27:02 GMT 10
I have been watching this thread since it started but have been very reluctant to join up.
Larry42, I have a question. Were you at the game in question at all as I was?? I do believe I saw you wander off half way through the first game without returning.
Personally, I have never EVER seen a team do so much to actually lose a game.
1. Playing with 7 players to start with. 2. Catcher (who I believe is a state representative) WALKING after balls that were getting past her. 3. State representatives swinging at pitches bouncing two feet before the plate and laughing about it. Then watching fat third strikes over. 4. Pitching someone who I heard has never pitched in her life - this may not be a fact but this was overhead from Waverley players. 5. Blatantly knocking back offers from club members to fill in knowing the team didn't have enough players - this was also heard by several ears!
I am not the only one that heard/saw what I did which is why I am quite dumbfounded as to why nobody but you seems to believe what you are saying.
As for your posts, maybe you should make sure the information that you are getting is correct and not secondhand information before knocking everybody else down as you weren't even at the game!
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Post by MF on Nov 3, 2011 8:27:47 GMT 10
So what's the answer Kane? yay or nay Did Waverley field 7 players while other able bodied players watched or is that poor advice? Waverley did not field 7 players while other able bodied players watched. Your advice was poor. (Your advisor may have been confused by the presence of injured players who chose to come and support their teammates.) Folks, rather than fling baseless accusations around, try asking. It's not as if e.g. Larry is hard to find or shy about posting answers.
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Post by The Puma on Nov 3, 2011 9:17:24 GMT 10
Judging by the post above yours, advise was not so poor.
And I have asked, 3 or 4 times.
Still no answer to the blatantly obvious, yes you guys manipulated games to get the results you wanted.
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Post by wearnie52 on Nov 3, 2011 10:00:36 GMT 10
I think people are losing sight of what this thread is actually about.
Fact is, BV have put many clubs in difficult positions. To tank or not to tank??
As the Pools sit, Sandringham are one result away from playing in Division One. I have some good friends down at Sandy, and our club has a great relationship with the girls, so i mean no offense at all by what i am about to say, BUT, Sandy actually ending up in Division One would be ridiculous and very unfair on those girls! They didn't win a game in the winter DBA competition, and are in no way up to playing Div 1 summer.
The Pool system is a joke. It was a joke in the juniors, and it's a joke again.
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Post by The Puma on Nov 3, 2011 10:43:33 GMT 10
Fact is, BV have put many clubs in difficult positions. To tank or not to tank?? I agree the pool system sucks, but BV never made anyone tank. Clubs chose to do that.
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Post by barb05 on Nov 3, 2011 12:45:55 GMT 10
Now puma, although I'm sick of reading your posts I have to ask... Wtf does waverley's women's comp have to do with you?
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Post by The Puma on Nov 3, 2011 12:57:14 GMT 10
Sorry I thought it was a baseball forum. My bad.
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Post by barb05 on Nov 3, 2011 13:23:13 GMT 10
You didn't answer the question... Read it again.
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Post by rhricho on Nov 3, 2011 13:41:51 GMT 10
its because he's a sh1t stirrer with self belief that thinking winding ppl up actually gets to ppl?? obviously makes himself feel great!! perhaps he needs to change to another alias? its like ya mamma jokes, the lowest form of humour eva! Everything I or Sly posts anything, he has a crack at as if we are apparently are wound up by the comments? In most cases such as this really just ends up looking ridiculous,
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Post by The Puma on Nov 3, 2011 14:35:08 GMT 10
You don't even realise rhricho, seriously, I pity you.
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Post by The Puma on Nov 3, 2011 14:36:54 GMT 10
You didn't answer the question... Read it again. Ah, yea I did.
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Post by rhricho on Nov 3, 2011 14:41:29 GMT 10
Again, gee ouch!!! Mate I'm not the one posting at 4.30am champ... But you just keep writing!!!! I'd say more like a dog with a frisby!!
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Post by The Puma on Nov 3, 2011 14:48:10 GMT 10
It just get dumber but the post. Oh wait I forgot the !!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2011 14:57:42 GMT 10
It's becoming personal and somewhat monotonous, guys.
I gather that BV introduced the pool system in an effort to straighten out some of the grading problems and develop more even divisions of women's competition.
If it doesn't appear to be working, or if you think it won't or can't work, can we come up with something better for next time around? For example, automatic promotion/relegation was mentioned earlier. Sure, women's clubs might be unsure of their playing personnel from year to year, but that applies to a large extent to men's competitions as well.
There has to be a workable solution to these perceived problems.
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Post by titta on Nov 3, 2011 15:42:29 GMT 10
You are like a dog with a bone aren't you? I know the answer because i'm involved. You don't because you are only guessing or going by poor advice. So what's the answer Kane? yay or nay Did Waverley field 7 players while other able bodied players watched or is that poor advice? And what club are you supporting Puma? Pakenham, have they are womens team. Dandenong, who?
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Post by titta on Nov 3, 2011 15:43:41 GMT 10
I hope your club is doing the right thing!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by The Puma on Nov 3, 2011 17:06:12 GMT 10
I have never thrown a game Dave, you?
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Post by The Puma on Nov 3, 2011 17:06:40 GMT 10
Sorry forgot the !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! again.
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Post by titta on Nov 3, 2011 19:18:13 GMT 10
Just asking what womens club your supporting and I will answer your question, no. Your answer please
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Post by barb05 on Nov 3, 2011 20:17:55 GMT 10
Puma, Trying to express your intelligence is difficult when you keep saying really stupid things. A bit like that comment you made about Gourley getting smashed in the face with cricket bat. Maybe you forgot, but I haven't.
I asked you really simply, wtf does wav womens comp have to do with you? You haven't answered. I no longer think you are "playing" dumb. I just don't think you understand simple things like how this question and answer thing works.
I believe everyone's entitled to their own opinion, however, you also need to understand that in a public forum it can be criticized.
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Post by mandi on Nov 3, 2011 20:48:52 GMT 10
this is just my opinion, why didn't baseball vic listen to what the clubs participating in the womens comp want, as far as i know there were 6 clubs that wanted a team in div 1, yes a majority of those clubs will be in div 1 but there could be some clubs that miss out, could we not have 8 teams in div 1 so that it is a little more even spread across and not such a smacking most weeks for the clubs that may not be upto playing in that division but want the depelopment and to play at the highest level possible. Then look at the end of the season the teams that finished in the top 4 from div 2 and div 3 over a 2 year period and consider the relegation scenerio. i guess it doesn't really matter as after this weekend we will all know if the pools actually work or if bv place teams where they think they should be regardless of where they finished.
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Post by larry42 on Nov 4, 2011 3:24:50 GMT 10
I have been watching this thread since it started but have been very reluctant to join up. Larry42, I have a question. Were you at the game in question at all as I was?? I do believe I saw you wander off half way through the first game without returning. Personally, I have never EVER seen a team do so much to actually lose a game. 1. Playing with 7 players to start with. 2. Catcher (who I believe is a state representative) WALKING after balls that were getting past her. 3. State representatives swinging at pitches bouncing two feet before the plate and laughing about it. Then watching fat third strikes over. 4. Pitching someone who I heard has never pitched in her life - this may not be a fact but this was overhead from Waverley players. 5. Blatantly knocking back offers from club members to fill in knowing the team didn't have enough players - this was also heard by several ears! I am not the only one that heard/saw what I did which is why I am quite dumbfounded as to why nobody but you seems to believe what you are saying. As for your posts, maybe you should make sure the information that you are getting is correct and not secondhand information before knocking everybody else down as you weren't even at the game! No didn't hang around to see the either game after coaching 2 junior games in the morning, so not going to comment on the happenings that you refer to that happened during the game such as the catcher walking after balls. I didn't HAVE to be at the game to know what is going on with the program, the lack of player numbers that the program is dealing with at the moment, the injury status of former state reps, the direction and handling of the two teams within the club. Thats info that i'm privvy to and know full well and unless you are involved then you have no ability to discuss. Now if you saw me wander off at the start of the other pool game you are merely one of the people standing on the side of the road behind the 3rd base bench. unless you want to put a name to your alias. the fact that they had 7 - who cares, the other Wav team had 9 with a new player playing 1st game. Wav made a decision that the 2's needed full team for that week after giving 1sts players each week previously. pitcher had thrown previously in one/two games and doing pens. Wav don't have the pitching options of some clubs so learning curve happening in games. If you need to argue this fact you are stupid. these infamous able bodied players - im not sure how many players pap and Teej tried to rustle up to fill gaps for the team including asking all of the mums of my sons junior domestic team who was playing just before the early game. there was one person who after 1pm stated they could play 2s if needed. (game was in delay at that point with the rain) The knock back was for that game as they had 9 plus they already knew nobody was able to play the 3,30 game. inexperienced pitchers, players swinging at bad pitchers, girls wearing wrong hats..what next? The catcher walking is not right i'll give you that, and if i was at the game i would have kicked her a*** and she would know that, but the rest come on? This post could go on forever and will be my last post in this thread because the team and the girls are on a hiding to nothing. Everyone has their opinion and entitled to. I just find it amusing that people can comment, and some with such conviction , on matters they have no or little idea about. You can pick that apart or argue it, but unless your in the inner sanctum you have no idea. Hopefully this can be a dead issue past this week and all players enjoy the rest of their seasons in whatever league/division they are in. BV will no doubt have to look at things in the future. Its certaintly not good when you speak with people who have been involved in the pennant committee in the past and feel like theur ideas get shot down. Not sure if there is a chance for people to get good ideas through, there maybe some stumbling blocks in BV. Just in advance to, Wav is struggling this week to fill numbers to so please dont think we are tanking if we cant beat Sandy.
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Post by mandi on Nov 6, 2011 9:57:05 GMT 10
Now with the grading games over the divisions may read as the following:
Div 1 Springvale A Malvern A Doncaster A Geelong A Port Melbourne Footscray A
Div 2 Doncaster B Springvale C Werribee Melbourne Sandringham * Springvale B *
Div 3 Bundoora A Waverley B Footscray B Bundoora B Waverley A * Moorabbin Doncaster C Malvern B Geelong B Upwey ( not sure if they are still in the womens comp)
The teams with the * all finished on even points in Pool C, so i guess the question will be which way will BV go. Will they have 2 teams from the same club in the same division?
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Post by oldburger19 on Nov 6, 2011 11:07:57 GMT 10
Interesting part of that one Mandi is Doncaster C is 4-0, while Doncaster B is 3-2, yet you have the B team in Div 2 and the C team in Div 3. haha. I know this is due to different pools being stronger and so on, just a funny thing i picked up while having a look through the results!
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Post by easyout on Nov 6, 2011 12:25:45 GMT 10
Long time reader, first time poster...
Interesting point on whether BV will allow two teams from the same club in a division. Looking at Div 2, is it fair to drop Sandringham or Springvale down just so Div 3 doesn't have two teams from Waverley? Does it comes down to runs? I honestly don't know how it'll be decided, but will be interesting to see how it plays out. I reckon it should be based solely on results, not whether or not there is more than one team from each club in each division.
My question however... Just wondering if BV will be looking at clubs who had multiple forfeits during the Pool weeks, and review whether those clubs should be permitted to continue in their present two-team format?
I am specifically talking about Bundoora here, to be clear, who collectively had FOUR forfeits in FIVE WEEKS. How can a team who has consistently failed to field two teams during the Pool weeks be permitted to continue in their present format?
As someone who has been victim of Bundoora's forfeits across every season I've played them in, I'm over it and really sick of the excuses (footy trips etc), so hoping BV intervenes on the competition's behalf.
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Post by splitfinger on Nov 6, 2011 17:55:07 GMT 10
You raise a good point easyout. Bundoora have consistently been frequent forfeiters over the last few years and BV must step in and take action.
I personally believe Waverley A should be in Division 2 - at least that would put an end to the tanking allegations and put them where they rightfully belong. I realise they have veteran players and injuries etc to contend with, but they can't have fallen away to division 3 standard yet.
On a positive note, good luck to all womens teams for the remainder of the season. Here's hoping all teams end up correctly allocated to give us an even season. And that BV don't take too long to release the fixture....
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Post by mandi on Nov 6, 2011 18:32:29 GMT 10
oldburger19, i belive the teams in pool d were told/asked that would be in div 3 regardless of the results
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Post by larry42 on Nov 6, 2011 19:17:46 GMT 10
Long time reader, first time poster... Interesting point on whether BV will allow two teams from the same club in a division. Looking at Div 2, is it fair to drop Sandringham or Springvale down just so Div 3 doesn't have two teams from Waverley? Does it comes down to runs? I honestly don't know how it'll be decided, but will be interesting to see how it plays out. I reckon it should be based solely on results, not whether or not there is more than one team from each club in each division. My question however... Just wondering if BV will be looking at clubs who had multiple forfeits during the Pool weeks, and review whether those clubs should be permitted to continue in their present two-team format? I am specifically talking about Bundoora here, to be clear, who collectively had FOUR forfeits in FIVE WEEKS. How can a team who has consistently failed to field two teams during the Pool weeks be permitted to continue in their present format? As someone who has been victim of Bundoora's forfeits across every season I've played them in, I'm over it and really sick of the excuses (footy trips etc), so hoping BV intervenes on the competition's behalf. SpringB, Sandy and Wav A all had 2-3 records. Wav beat Sandy, Sandy beat Spring and Spriny beat Wav. Runs for/against Wav - 43-42 Sprin 26-44 Sandy 31-76 Should be solely on results first i reckon
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