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Post by The Puma on Jul 14, 2011 14:10:27 GMT 10
Speaking of baseball development, any truth that BV are back down to only one development officer?
Seems a little strange to downsize development staff at a time when the sport is looking to expand.
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Post by Diesel on Jul 14, 2011 16:18:30 GMT 10
Any word on why waverley would pull out of div 2? Seemed to be a success? I have heard this was a BV decission.......
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Post by delvin on Jul 14, 2011 16:46:23 GMT 10
yes puma you are right the women suffer again
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Post by titta on Jul 14, 2011 21:14:38 GMT 10
Any word on why waverley would pull out of div 2? Seemed to be a success? Why don't you ask Lewis and Saddler, they make the right decisions for the VBA don't they?
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Post by larry42 on Jul 14, 2011 21:17:47 GMT 10
Any word on why waverley would pull out of div 2? Seemed to be a success? Don't think it was Waverley's decision to pull out of D2. At recent P&S meeting it was discussed that with Chels coming up they essentially would fill the bye that Wav took the place of 2 years ago. however the phrase 'integrity of baseball" was thrown in there the other night so not sure that BV wants to go back down that path with a D1 club also competing at D2 as well.
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Post by Camov on Jul 15, 2011 10:15:40 GMT 10
it seems a waste to have all those waverly teams just stop playing because of numbers. the div 2 team was a great op for many of those kids that wouldnt have gotten a run in the 1st to play a high standard of baseball. but i guess some of them will filter over to other clubs if the div2 teams are removed. Also if fooscray drop down to div 3, will they reverse the decision and put waverly back in? no one wants a bye.
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Post by Spice on Jul 15, 2011 12:01:13 GMT 10
Why don't they play a game, Waverley Div 2 vs Chelsea. Plays in Div 2 for the season. I'd put my money on Waverley. Also any of those kids in last years Div 2 side would be welcomed at the Bonnydome.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2011 15:48:54 GMT 10
Why don't they play a game, Waverley Div 2 vs Chelsea. Plays in Div 2 for the season. I'd put my money on Waverley. Also any of those kids in last years Div 2 side would be welcomed at the Bonnydome. I'm not sure what the latest is on this issue (I note it is still a rumour I guess) but it gets me to a point where I believe we all really need to appreciate what Waverley do for Victorian baseball. If those talented and well schooled kids are forced out of the Div 2 team/concept they will either hang around in the Div 1 2s OR (more likely perhaps) will venture elsewhere and thus build the strength and depth of the league at the higher level (which if you are Wavo is dissappointing I guess for all the work they had put in but all of our clubs have been victims of this from time to time no doubt). Hope common sense prevails though on the decision - Titta will it ? (prevail I mean).
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Post by larry42 on Jul 15, 2011 16:48:16 GMT 10
Listening to the chair of the P&S the other week i wouldn't have thought things would change for them to come back in unless the new summer league committee (newly named committee taking over from pennant committee) reverse the decision.
Rob Sadler did mention the bye allowed them to put wavo in but on the other hand he thought the concept was not good for the integrity of the league. I reckon he's angling at the concept of What happens if the Geel/Chelt/Donny/Ess of the league wish to do the same.
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Post by barb05 on Jul 15, 2011 17:59:51 GMT 10
Have to agree authentic. There are a lot of clubs and players who benefit from looking elsewhere for better opportunity. It has been that way for quite sometime. There are a couple of clubs who have been hugely successful over the past decade off the back of strong junior programs, where those junior programs have also served as feeders for other clubs - obviously not with that intention.
Although I can understand wav's motives for putting teams in division 2, IMO it could easily lead to an "us and them" within a club (certainly not saying this was the case) and that's the last thing any club needs. Ultimately I feel it will still lead to the same result in player mentality, in that players want to play at the highest level, and unless for example, a young talented catcher believes he will replace a Karlsen or Hendricks behind the dish in the not too distant future then he will inevitably start looking around to see where he might get the opportunity.
It's a tough call to make, but I guess time will either tell the true tale, or like most things we'll just pretend the past never existed and blow smoke at how great things are and what a wonderful future our sport has regardless of the decline in volume and depth across the board.
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Post by Ace on Jul 15, 2011 18:24:46 GMT 10
I think Footscray would be wrong to drop a division. Surely their ones would beat Chelsea.
Had Waverley not been so affected by the ABL I think they'd stick with Div 2.
While it would be good sharing the talent around a little more, BV should still look to accomodate the club. If players don't leave, Div 3 and 4 might both have GFs between 2 waverley teams!
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Post by Camov on Jul 15, 2011 19:13:38 GMT 10
you raise an interesting point Larry.
If some of the other stronger div 1 clubs want to start entering teams as well it could be a difficult to follow the precedent set at the moment.
It is however a great problem to have, perhaps they could expand div 2 to have more teams and set them up in geographic conferences (east, west etc)??
clubs should be encouraged to expand as much as possible (so long as they aren't stealing juniors from other clubs. but then this is also a reflection on the strength of junior programs) larger clubs have a better chance of surviving in the long term and giving more back to the sport. more baseballer's = better baseball for everyone.
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Post by stockley on Jul 15, 2011 21:26:40 GMT 10
you raise an interesting point Larry. If some of the other stronger div 1 clubs want to start entering teams as well it could be a difficult to follow the precedent set at the moment. It is however a great problem to have, perhaps they could expand div 2 to have more teams and set them up in geographic conferences (east, west etc)?? clubs should be encouraged to expand as much as possible (so long as they aren't stealing juniors from other clubs. but then this is also a reflection on the strength of junior programs) larger clubs have a better chance of surviving in the long term and giving more back to the sport. more baseballer's = better baseball for everyone. If the stronger clubs get to the point where more and more clubs want to move to put a second set of teams into division 2, imho it will be time to review the entire structure of the league. In the last 10 years, there has been (imo) a decline in the standard of the Division 1 Reserves baseball. Having more clubs get to the point of having a strong second set of players (i.e. wanting to compete in Div 2), will see the sport get back to the point where the Division 1 Reserves will become much stronger again. At this point, if there are 4 or 5 clubs, as per the listed clubs above, considering putting teams into the division 2, surely this means there are at least 4 or 5 clubs that will be pushing a stronger Division 1 Reserves competition. In my opinion, it is more important for the bigger clubs to push harder for a stronger div 1 reserves then worry about putting resources into the div 2 competition. However, I understand why Waverley did what they did, and they were in the right position to do that. I just believe that if you're talking about more clubs looking to do this, then why wouldn't you push the reserves up to a higher standard - at which point, you will then demand less resources around your club, and have all your better players available at the one ground for reserves/seniors. Afterall, your second tier of players are the guys who are meant to be pushing into the 1's, and making your 1's work harder for their position. If there are MULTIPLE clubs looking at the idea of entering teams into the div 2 competition, then I feel like our structures are completely flawed.
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Post by behindthedish on Jul 15, 2011 22:23:10 GMT 10
Authentic, it was always going to be a problem at Waverley, with all their talented kids coming through trying to bed down a spot in their top team, only to find quality players ahead of them. Some many years ago, I lost 3-4 talented State kids to Waverley (who looked for bigger and better opportunities), as did other clubs as well. So in reality, the shoe will be on the other foot and it will be good to see some of those kids go to other clubs and look for opportunities to play at the highest level, giving back to the clubs that developed their lost juniors some years ago.
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Post by perfeckt on Jul 15, 2011 22:28:37 GMT 10
Well put Stockley. In my limited involvement (vicariously) of DBA club ball over 10 years I have seen and noticed a shift in attitude of winter ball. When I first became supportive of winter ball I understood it to be a way for summer players to keep their skills up, work on progression and for older players to play without sheep station stakes and enjoy a beer or three afterwards. Maybe I never saw it and maybe it was always there, especially for players that only do winter but it seems to me that over that 10 year period I've felt that the comp' has become more serious, competitive and somewhat about sheep stations....for some. Is it good to have players, coaches, commitees and volunteers going at 100% year 'round? I don't know, I can step away if I feel I've had my fill but I do think it's important to have a competition league that has a place for people to get out, have a social game and have some fun without the pressure of having to win a flag for their club, that drive comes from within anyway. DBA has a great history no matter how that history is perceived so does it need to compete with another league when another league is considered to be more serious? I don't think so. Divisions......we're devisive enough alresdy. p.s. DBA umpires ROCK!
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Post by 4balls on Jul 28, 2011 20:46:41 GMT 10
big rumor coming out of Queenslands academy is that phil allen has done such a wonderful job, he will be managing a A grade summer team this coming season. not within a lions roar of his house though
good luck phil i am sure you will do a great job
moka
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Post by johne on Jul 28, 2011 21:26:34 GMT 10
big rumor coming out of Queenslands academy is that phil allen has done such a wonderful job, he will be managing a A grade summer team this coming season. not within a lions roar of his house though good luck phil i am sure you will do a great job moka Uncle phil gets rumored with more clubs than Mick malthouse. A lion or two may have whispered in his ear but he is too busy tracking down the next Shane Lindsay and alas can not commit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2011 21:46:59 GMT 10
While I have nothing at all against Phil's appearance (he is a handsome man for one so old), there are those who believe he is somewhat "unkempt".
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Post by thehotcorner on Jul 29, 2011 0:52:44 GMT 10
While I have nothing at all against Phil's appearance (he is a handsome man for one so old), there are those who believe he is somewhat "unkempt". Oh I see what you've done there! Hehe
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Post by wyatt33 on Jul 29, 2011 11:14:58 GMT 10
What are the rules on non nationals coaching, and attempting to get another non national as a position player?
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Post by larry42 on Jul 29, 2011 12:24:46 GMT 10
The following is a statement from BV to Div 1 clubs for inclusion to D2 of this year to fill the bye.
Footscray Baseball Club has advised Baseball Victoria of its intention to withdraw from the Summer League Division 2 competition for season 2011/12. As a result Baseball Victoria is seeking Expression of Interests from clubs wishing to fill this vacancy in order to avoid a bye being fixtured for the forthcoming Division 2 season. In applying clubs must be able to 1. Demonstrate their ability to fulfil the senior team requirements of a Division 2 club. 2. Gain access to ground availability to facilitate all games. Where clubs have an existing entry in either Division 1 or Division 2, the new entry will act as a “stand alone” playing roster. Players will be unable to move between the new Division 2 entry and any existing Division 1 or Division 2 playing roster.
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Post by 4balls on Jul 30, 2011 9:44:35 GMT 10
phil allen not at the academy for 2 days, seen in talks with high level execs of a div 1 team in Lygon st carlton
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Post by spider on Jul 30, 2011 9:45:48 GMT 10
must have been him, couldnt mistake that bad head fro anyone else could you
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Post by bcc07 on Jul 30, 2011 17:37:17 GMT 10
Any truth behind one of the aces receiving a two-year ban for a positive drug test?
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Post by The Puma on Jul 30, 2011 17:41:34 GMT 10
Funny you say that young fella, I just heard exactly the same thing.
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Post by Marshy on Jul 30, 2011 17:47:10 GMT 10
I have led to believe it wasn't their decision p26. I have been told it was a BV decision?
Can anyone confirm?
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Post by slowmotion on Jul 30, 2011 23:07:48 GMT 10
AB. Dragon or tiger this year?
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Post by p26 on Jul 30, 2011 23:17:16 GMT 10
Not even a thought to staying an oriole? WTF?
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Post by flameon99 on Jul 31, 2011 13:02:41 GMT 10
yeh i heard about that aces player today. do we know who that player was?
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Post by bcc07 on Jul 31, 2011 13:55:51 GMT 10
I do, however I'm sure if there's any truth behind it, it will be released soon enough.
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