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Post by wildcat09 on Oct 8, 2008 13:37:18 GMT 10
there has already been a thread on this which died a long time ago.
get over it.
He got popped this weekend and probably will many more times this year.
Who cares.
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Post by The Joker on Oct 8, 2008 13:40:43 GMT 10
He got popped this weekend and probably will many more times this year. Who cares. My point precisely Wildcat - player self regulation. Nuff said.
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Post by johne on Oct 8, 2008 13:53:28 GMT 10
How many times does a guy have to pay for a crime. The league gave him a penalty, and wether you think it was not enough, too much or just right it doesnt matter because its done. He got 12 weeks. What he did (from what Ive heard) was pretty terrible and In my opinion should of gotten more than 12 winter games, but the verdict has been handed down so move on.
As for all these guys saying they are going to get him and so on. Well unless your a team mate of the guy struck or were somehow involved in the incident than I dont think you have any right getting involved.
Let the guys from Ringwood/Blackburn that are team mates of the victim settle any scores they want.
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Post by p26 on Oct 8, 2008 14:05:03 GMT 10
Well said johne. The kid did something stupid but to be honest it in no way impacts me or any of the guys on my team so we have no right (or inclination) to want to target the guy.
As for whether the sentence should be just winter or summer/winter combined, it seems a little strange to me that it isn't just a consecutive game sentence regardless of season.
You are dead right though that his sentence was handed down and once it's over that's the end of it provided he learns from it and moves on.
So, back to winners and losers. Any other game wrapups from across the league?
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Post by onlooker on Oct 8, 2008 14:12:36 GMT 10
I've been trolling around here for a while without any interest in registering but the A. Mann issue has tempted me to throw my 2 cents worth in. What you're saying here is that throwing a baseball at someone with the intent to hurt them is acceptable behaviour but hitting someone with a helmet is different? Whilst I don't for a minute condone what Andy did, it's been dealt with by the appropriate people and he will serve out his punishment. I would add that Andy's service to Baseball as an elite junior both Vic & National has been exemplary. The last thing we need is a bunch of "terry tough guys" behaving like a bunch of vigilantes
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Post by The Joker on Oct 8, 2008 15:02:40 GMT 10
I've been trolling around here for a while without any interest in registering but the A. Mann issue has tempted me to throw my 2 cents worth in. What you're saying here is that throwing a baseball at someone with the intent to hurt them is acceptable behaviour but hitting someone with a helmet is different? Whilst I don't for a minute condone what Andy did, it's been dealt with by the appropriate people and he will serve out his punishment. I would add that Andy's service to Baseball as an elite junior both Vic & National has been exemplary. The last thing we need is a bunch of "terry tough guys" behaving like a bunch of vigilantes Please don't mis-represent anyone here 'Onlooker', no-one has 'threatened' or 'condoned', merely stated the likely consequnces of the tribunal's seemingly soft poonishment. Also, there is a big difference between an intentional whack in the face with a helmet from half a foot away and a ball in the leg from 60 feet away. One is disfiguring, costly, permanent and potentially fatal (a little dramtic maybe), the other stings a little, leaves a bruise and you potentially limp for half an hour.
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Post by Chardy on Oct 8, 2008 15:04:04 GMT 10
A runner at 2nd flashing signs to the hitter - i'm not allowed to drill that hitter because of his moronic runner at 2nd not smart enough to make it less obvious?
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Post by The Joker on Oct 8, 2008 15:04:43 GMT 10
LOL - the disc board changes the word 'p00n' to 'thingy', so when I typed 'p00nishment' it came out 'thingyishment'. ROFL LMAO
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Post by The Joker on Oct 8, 2008 15:05:33 GMT 10
A runner at 2nd flashing signs to the hitter - i'm not allowed to drill that hitter because of his moronic runner at 2nd not smart enough to make it less obvious? Hey Chards - with you on this one, hit him every time.
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Post by p26 on Oct 8, 2008 15:09:55 GMT 10
Copping one in the ribs is part of baseball and has been for 100 years like it or not. Every time a runner steals when ten runs up, flashes signs, shows a squeeze to early etc etc, every man and his dog knows the guy is going to get hit and the game moves on.
I'm with psych01, so long as the pitcher isn't throwing at the guys head (most aim for the ribs or back) then it is a fairly large difference between that and smashing a guy's face with a helmet at close range.
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Post by crogers20 on Oct 8, 2008 15:13:03 GMT 10
Interesting discussion guys re A Mann.
As a Ringwood player, manager, and committee member I know there was some shock from players at the perceived 'leniency' of the sentence. I would, however be very disappointed if the players took matters into their own hands. In fact, in my opinion, umpires should eject anyone who throws a pitch anywhere near Andy in Ring vs Knox games for the next couple of seasons. And if this isn't the case, I would like to think Smoke as club coach would appropriately deal with any player at the club who does so.
I do know that both Knox BC and the club coach approached Toby and RSBC with apologies in the days after the incident (although I don't know whether Andy himself did).
As has been mentioned numerous times, I think this discussion should probably cease.
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Post by Chardy on Oct 8, 2008 15:23:04 GMT 10
As has been mentioned numerous times, I think this discussion should probably cease. whats the point of a forum if we can't discuss topics? I personally think its a joke that he can play in Summer after what he did - apology or not, the VBA is not sending a very good message and as far as I am concerned, is not interested in protecting players like Toby from idiots like Andy Mann. So the next hitter who thinks its ok to smash a pitcher in the face with a helmet knows that he will only get 12 weeks and it doesnt even apply to both leagues??? But if he gets drilled a few times by a couple of pitchers during the season, then mabe that hitter will consider the other consequences of smashing a pitcher in the face with a btters helmet (makes me more and more pi$$ed everytime I write it)
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Post by johne on Oct 8, 2008 15:27:06 GMT 10
A runner at 2nd flashing signs to the hitter - i'm not allowed to drill that hitter because of his moronic runner at 2nd not smart enough to make it less obvious? Of course you are. There are rules to baseball some written some unwritten. You break them and you are dealt with. Steal with a big lead, watch a home run for too long, or give signs from 2nd and your gonna get your right whack, usually a pitch in the side and you move on. Good players know this and accept it.
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Post by onlooker on Oct 8, 2008 15:34:07 GMT 10
He got popped this weekend and probably will many more times this year. Who cares. My point precisely Wildcat - player self regulation. Nuff said. Please don't mis-represent anyone here 'Onlooker', no-one has 'threatened' or 'condoned', merely stated the likely consequnces................ Really, it's a fine line you walk
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2008 16:06:56 GMT 10
As wildcat points out, this thread is not the appropriate one to keep this discussion alive. I think we dealt with "Crime and Punishment" elsewhere.
While I don't know the specifics of this matter and I don't know the bloke himself, the judiciary has dealt with him and has moved on. So should we.
But the general discussion of player ethics - what johne calls "unwritten rules" - is definitely worth having.......in another thread.
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Post by tinman on Oct 14, 2008 13:06:43 GMT 10
Re: Week 1: 3/10: -Who won, how or why??? « Reply #35 on Oct 6, 2008, 4:25pm »
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