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Post by tinman on Aug 9, 2008 20:47:55 GMT 10
who is the toughest/ fearest competitor to of played in the vba
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Post by Capt Kirk on Aug 11, 2008 17:26:22 GMT 10
Jon Deeble Ron Carothers David Buckthorpe Phil Dale
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Post by Dandenong Angel on Aug 11, 2008 17:48:56 GMT 10
Craig Kernick.................. closley followed by Deeble (jon)
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Post by Chardy on Aug 11, 2008 18:31:50 GMT 10
Andy Mann
ha ha ha
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Post by lowdown on Aug 11, 2008 20:17:57 GMT 10
Currently a guy at the Mullygrubs, Nick Lane. Won a couple of club champs,same period as having played with Paul, Bergy(Ryan), and others. Absolute gun, but no one outside our club wopuld hardly know him. Tough, throws hard, and can swing a nice bat, but has a huge heart, and a great leader and always a clubman!
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Post by dandyboy on Aug 13, 2008 21:13:32 GMT 10
too funny lowdown, how did big nick go on the weekend.
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Post by johne on Aug 22, 2008 13:19:06 GMT 10
Dean Marnell - Made the absolute most of his given abilities, always played hard and worked harder than anyone on the track.
Cameron Forbes - Much the same as Marnell in his work ethic and will to win.
Aaron Harvey - Forbesy arch enemy one fateful day down at malvern, worked really hard and was a true professional in his approach to the game.
Mick Gregory - Very intense player and coach
Tony Cornish - The fact that a bloke 5 foot nothing turned himself into a claxton shield and national league catcher is testament to his toughness. Often got under the skin of opposing players in a very cheeky funny way. And for a guy so small he never took a backward step.
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Post by skyhigh on Aug 22, 2008 14:11:32 GMT 10
Dean Marnell - Made the absolute most of his given abilities, always played hard and worked harder than anyone on the track. Cameron Forbes - Much the same as Marnell in his work ethic and will to win. Aaron Harvey - Forbesy arch enemy one fateful day down at malvern, worked really hard and was a true professional in his approach to the game. Mick Gregory - Very intense player and coach Tony Cornish - The fact that a bloke 5 foot nothing turned himself into a claxton shield and national league catcher is testament to his toughness. Often got under the skin of opposing players in a very cheeky funny way. And for a guy so small he never took a backward step.
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Post by skyhigh on Aug 22, 2008 14:13:15 GMT 10
OH please Johne the blog was asking for tough players not powder puffs, guys like phil Allen and johnno would be shaking in their shoes at the site of those 5
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Post by johne on Aug 22, 2008 17:29:03 GMT 10
OH please Johne the blog was asking for tough players not powder puffs, guys like phil Allen and johnno would be shaking in their shoes at the site of those 5 I must have misinterpreted the thread. I thought when it said toughest it meant the toughest competitors. I can assure you that all the guys I mentioned would compete with anyone, in fact Phil had a massive influence on both forbes and marnell's carrer and make up as players, no doubt passing on his toughness. Knowing phil as well as I do I can assure you he would few baseball toughness as competing to the best of ones abilities. Not fighting. Now if your talking about fighting then I would mention guys like jarvie (wrote his name wrong before) from malvern, Caulfield from essendon and melbourne, forbes again (he was/is nuts), both allen and johnno (only from 2nd hand stories never saw them in action) and the best of the bunch Scoble from the Adelaide Giants days.
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Post by lucadello on Aug 22, 2008 20:02:27 GMT 10
Good to re live some old times.(through the 80's)....Here's some names for you that were both hard physically and/or tough mentally, sometimes both.
David Teale..Big horse from Waverley that had a powerful arm...and a pretty good right hook!! Just ask Burkie!! OUCH.
Dave "Titta" Clarkson who was a fierce competitor and pretty good at what he did.
Shane Comben from Newport was a guy who could handle the bat...and was pretty good with his hands.
Niel Jarvie was a mild mannered kid who came up with Coburg, later Preston and Malvern who could hit and run....and hit on the run!!!
Jake the Snake, Peter Jacobsson from Sunshine who would pitch his heart out at any level....and level out most anyone if the occassion called for it!! Met his match in Troy Scoble?
John Galloway was as hard as they come mentally and physically would put his body on the line time and again. Sunshine had some mentally tough guys...Lloyd, Ward, Burke, Blackmore, Meates,....and a few loose cannons behind the net!!
And what about Darren Sleath from Preston who would earn his place in any team going around in his day....and never took a backward step to anyone.
Butch Wonnacott....blazing fastball, curveball that fell off the table (just ask him!) acid tongue, and would stick one in your ribs just for the hell of it....What a competitor.
And two of the quality pitchers of that era Phil Dale & Jon Deeble who would probably not have been able to knock "sick Mary off the sh.t house" between them with their fists....but could beat you up in so many other ways.
I'm sure there were many more HARD men playing the game during that era, and before, and since.....would be great to get some thoughts.
And as johno said in one of his earlier blogs...never plead guilty, sunstroke can flatten any of us at any time !!!
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Post by 4balls on Aug 24, 2008 0:04:43 GMT 10
phill allen tough are you kidding me, he couldnt punch a hole through a wet newspaper, neil burke was the best sneak goer in the business
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Post by lucadello on Aug 24, 2008 9:32:57 GMT 10
4balls....nice comment. Maybe some of the tough guys you used to hang out with slapped each other around with wet newspapers!!! Stop it you big tough guy. You could be right about Phil Allen though, I recon I saw him him cry when Neil Burke got whalloped by Tiele for no reason once? OUCH!!!
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Post by johne on Aug 24, 2008 10:23:42 GMT 10
Lucadello whats your thoughts on the players I mentioned especially Marnell and Forbes?
Do you agree with me that there is a difference between being tough and baseball toughness?
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Post by bulldurham on Aug 24, 2008 11:43:33 GMT 10
When Butch was at his meanest it was tough to go down to Tulip street Sandringham and lets not for get his partner in crime (for a few seasons anyway) Alan-Mad dog- Middleton. Always came away from there with sore ribs! And a mouthful!!!
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Post by lucadello on Aug 24, 2008 12:38:23 GMT 10
johne....no question that there is a huge difference between being tough and baseball toughness. Baseball toughness often means turning the other cheek and being committed to winning at all costs. That sometimes equates to letting your actions on the field, with the ball, bat or glove, show your real baseball toughness. That is not to say that tough guys can't also display baseball toughness. I remember the old Essendon teams through the '80's who would grind teams with the likes of Choppa Pate, Russell Edwards, Kenny Owens, Leigh McIntyre, Dave Patton etc, etc. None of them were outwardly aggressive but they were a tough team.
Marnell & Forbes......couldn't speak highly enough of either of these two warriors. You could put either of them in an envelope liking contest and they would still want to kick your ass!!
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Post by 350lifetime on Aug 24, 2008 17:01:38 GMT 10
I'm glad we got that cleared up and yes Johne , Marnell and Forbes both belong here no doubt. I know Lloydy ran away from that brutus beefcake at Lakeside oval that night but his baseball toughness cannot be questioned and he has 2 snazzy rings to prove it.
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Post by thegraveyard on Sept 4, 2008 21:31:19 GMT 10
what bout chicks... sam hamilton for chicks...
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Post by tick on Sept 5, 2008 13:19:55 GMT 10
no way graveyard, i reckon Jade Hough would beat Sam anyday!
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Post by suburbanboy on Sept 5, 2008 13:42:19 GMT 10
There were many mentally tough guys back then in the olden days, but if you're talking about fighting tough, then I would suggest, Johnno, Phil Allen, Neil Jarvie, Peter Jacobsson, Brett Caulfield, Darren Sleeth and Shane Comden.
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Post by gopies5 on Sept 5, 2008 15:09:03 GMT 10
Off the mark Tick. Layla's way tougher than both of those chicks.....
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Post by The Joker on Sept 5, 2008 15:51:38 GMT 10
Wouldn't mind putting Chris Harman's name in the mix, the bloke once pitched the day after getting out of hospital where he had just had half his guts removed...
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Post by pepperoni on Sept 5, 2008 21:35:12 GMT 10
i agree with you johne on forbes and marnell... forbes stuck one in my ribs at geelong and i dropped the bat and said do you wanna go son'... he dropped his glove and said yes i do wanna go.. i then looked toward the bumpster and said can you help me out here mate as i think i may have bitten off a little more than i can chew. Marnell was just a flat out Pr!ck on the field and someone that should not be crossed.. I agree with ya johnny. both those boys are bad boys for life.
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Post by wombat on Sept 5, 2008 22:23:44 GMT 10
hey pepperoni do you remember the cab ride from moonee valley to pj's with shoeless and marnell on doubleday's buck's day. I think you passed on quite a few sentiments to Deano that day
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Post by wombat on Sept 5, 2008 22:44:31 GMT 10
and one more post. When I was playing at sunshine one day back in upwey days, phil allen was at bat. He had 3-1 on him and swang at a pretty ordinary pitch and grounded out to 2nd. One of the blokes on our bench stupidly said "nice pitch to swing at 3-1". He walked over to our dugout and asked who said that. One of our guys , who didn't say it stood up and said it was him. Phil proceeded to convince him it wasn't a bad pitch to swing at, with son at toe to keep Chappy, Kloppy and Ugly away. That was a tough combo
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Post by philallen on Sept 6, 2008 7:18:26 GMT 10
and one more post. When I was playing at sunshine one day back in upwey days, phil allen was at bat. He had 3-1 on him and swang at a pretty ordinary pitch and grounded out to 2nd. One of the blokes on our bench stupidly said "nice pitch to swing at 3-1". He walked over to our dugout and asked who said that. One of our guys , who didn't say it stood up and said it was him. Phil proceeded to convince him it wasn't a bad pitch to swing at, with son at toe to keep Chappy, Kloppy and Ugly away. That was a tough combo Thanks for clearing that up wombat....I thought he said "you need to quit this game and take up boxing" Sorry 'bout that. Simple mis understanding No hard feelings
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Post by pepperoni on Sept 6, 2008 11:20:04 GMT 10
wombat wrote - hey pepperoni do you remember the cab ride from moonee valley to pj's with shoeless and marnell on doubleday's buck's day. I think you passed on quite a few sentiments to Deano that day.
Pepperoni - I remember parts of that cab ride, the last thing i remember is caulfield having to carry me back to coxy and dunnys pad as he was the only one that could lift me... vintage pepperoni that night. i remember a lot of urinating taking place, but not in the toilets.
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Post by 350lifetime on Sept 6, 2008 11:41:53 GMT 10
Shame on you Pep, you might just lead the league in doing that , not in the toilet . Can't believe you are hanging out in this thread so much .You don't belong here, get back to your rightful place - The dribble thread.
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Post by ferret on Sept 7, 2008 1:19:21 GMT 10
im with you tick. hough for me. tough all round player whos been around a long time.
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Post by wombat on Sept 7, 2008 21:48:59 GMT 10
yes pepp smithy and myself had to shield you quite a bit from the tellers at the TAB because the toilet was a long way away, but we did pick up a lazy 5ver on the trifecta that day which made up for all your shananigans
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