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Post by wearnie52 on Oct 28, 2015 11:39:57 GMT 10
Looking for some more information on midweek games from some of you smart people on the forum.
I should probably know more about this, but I was under the assumption that when clubs who are located quite a distance from each other are playing a midweek game, the game should be played under lights at either the Ballpark at Altona, or Preston (would therefore not begin until at least 6.30pm).
My club (Springvale) has a midweek game scheduled this week against Essendon (at Essendon) starting at 6pm.
Aside from having a heap of girls unavailable altogether, it's also going to be very difficult getting to Essendon by 6pm for the players.
Any ideas why the game cannot be played at 6.30pm at the ballpark or preston, and make it a double header with another game?
Thanks!
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Post by Goblin on Oct 29, 2015 13:56:33 GMT 10
Looking for some more information on midweek games from some of you smart people on the forum. I should probably know more about this, but I was under the assumption that when clubs who are located quite a distance from each other are playing a midweek game, the game should be played under lights at either the Ballpark at Altona, or Preston (would therefore not begin until at least 6.30pm). My club (Springvale) has a midweek game scheduled this week against Essendon (at Essendon) starting at 6pm. Aside from having a heap of girls unavailable altogether, it's also going to be very difficult getting to Essendon by 6pm for the players. Any ideas why the game cannot be played at 6.30pm at the ballpark or preston, and make it a double header with another game? Thanks! 100% agree Wearnie52 We have the stadiums, lets use them. Whether it it be Womens, Master or Men's game stating at the early time of 6pm, it just should not happen. I note the all the Women's midweek games, Div 1 or Div 2 start at 6pm. Put to cap it off, the thing that really stands out to me is that they have now scheduled Women's Div 1 games on Tues the 22nd of Dec. Last season they rewrote the rules to state that no competition games can be fixtured past the 20th of Dec and prior to the 10th of Jan. How the heck can a full round of Women's midweek games can be scheduled on the 22nd when BV rules say it cannot happen...
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Post by doubleplay on Oct 30, 2015 14:19:57 GMT 10
You are expecting way too much for the commonsense to appear. Nobody at Sport House or wherever they sit nowadays seem to have a melways and not having real jobs have no concept of time or the ability to accept that real people have jobs to go to during the day that in some cases don't finish until 5.00pm. And I think you will find that the blackout is only for the men(Tongue in Cheek). Once again Simone, you have hit the nail on the head again. It is bad enough trying to get to a Masters game on a Monday with a bit of time to tear up a muscle or two in a five minute warm up. 6.30pm is a far better option.
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Post by Goblin on Oct 31, 2015 12:44:28 GMT 10
You are expecting way too much for the commonsense to appear. Nobody at Sport House or wherever they sit nowadays seem to have a melways and not having real jobs have no concept of time or the ability to accept that real people have jobs to go to during the day that in some cases don't finish until 5.00pm. And I think you will find that the blackout is only for the men(Tongue in Cheek). Once again Simone, you have hit the nail on the head again. It is bad enough trying to get to a Masters game on a Monday with a bit of time to tear up a muscle or two in a five minute warm up. 6.30pm is a far better option. According to the playing conditions. 6) Christmas/New Year Schedule Blackouta) The Competition Coordinator shall not fixture Summer League competitions any later in a year than December 20. b) The Competition Coordinator shall not fixture Summer League competitions any earlier in a year than January 10. c) Where this restriction reduces the minimum required weekend So, it covers ALL competitions
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Post by regg44 on Oct 31, 2015 19:52:22 GMT 10
You would think that one of the most basic prerequisites of the Competition Manager would be to actually know &!understand the rules and By Laws.
Clearly this is another example that is not the case.
Maybe if less time was spent working on behalf of the Aces and more time spent doing the job they are actually paid to do, that is, run the game for us, the fee paying stakeholders then things like this wouldn't happen.
The admiinistration of our game is at an all time low and this stems from the composition of the Board who have, in my opinion, no real interest in the game, only fancy portfolio titles and personal agendas.
Until this changes and we get baseball people back at the top level then things will not change.
Time for a group of us to get together and make change happen.
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Post by wyatt33 on Nov 1, 2015 11:27:31 GMT 10
Problem is regg that the best people to run the game are doing it at club level and don't want to do it at the state level. There are plenty of qualified folk out there that could do the job....but the pay is pox, and your on a hiding to nothing if you do anything, good or bad.
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Post by regg44 on Nov 1, 2015 17:54:08 GMT 10
Wyatt you are right up to a point in that a lot of the good baseball people are heavily involved at club level. But here's the thing, why do these people, why do the clubs allow the current parlous state in relation to the admin of the game to exist?
The argument that because you pay peanuts you get monkeys doesn't wash with me. You can pay someone a bucket load of money and if they don't really care then it means nothing. Having said that I actually believe that some of our paid employees really do a good job because they come from club backgrounds and do actually understand the reality of who they are working for and what they are trying to achieve.
The people who have the most to answer for actually get paid nothing, that is, the Board.
This game belongs to the clubs, the fee paying members not the faceless group whose responsibility it is to govern the game. It is time for all those people in club land to stop accepting mediocrity and do something about it.
Phil Bertrand
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Post by fuzzy on Nov 1, 2015 18:54:55 GMT 10
When Sandringham was told/requested to move to the western conference last season we agreed on the proviso that we would have no midweek games at Preston due to the absurd travel time, guess what happened, total disregard of the agreement between Sandringham Baseball club and BV/Summer league. It's a tough gig running any league but decisions like this undermine clubs confidence in the management of OUR competition.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 7:36:08 GMT 10
Rebel league next Summer?
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Post by doubleplay on Nov 3, 2015 10:01:40 GMT 10
Oh goody, just what we need, a good revolution to shake the place up. The best way to kill a snake is cut it's head off. Maybe the head sits on the Gold Coast somewhere. It may be time for the club administrators to stand up and take charge instead of always whinging , be proactive and think of the greater good and put their blinky hands up roll up their sleeves and get on the Board and get the job done. We need Baseball people running Baseball, not the collective nuffies apart from one who are doing nothing for this sport.
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Post by regg44 on Nov 3, 2015 15:56:52 GMT 10
No Kyle, "rebel" league is not needed (btw I know your comment was tongue in cheek)
All that is needed is for a group of people who like me are deeply concerned about the direction the game is taking to get together and mount a challenge to the current board who have failed totally in delivering the required level of leadership that all the stakeholders rightfully deserve.
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Post by gt40 on Nov 4, 2015 10:08:21 GMT 10
From the Board Charter -
6. REVIEW OF PERFORMANCE The Board will conduct, on a regular basis, a comprehensive review of its performance as a Board. The method and extent of that review is for the Board to determine from time to time.
When was the last review? And how open & transparent is the review process given the Board will review itself. Perhaps the review should be undertaken by a panel of members rather than the Board?
I like Lando's suggestion - a little revolution isn't always a bad thing.
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Post by doubleplay on Nov 4, 2015 13:22:26 GMT 10
The honest truth is, no revolution, no get up and go. Same s&%t next season. It will keep going on and on. It is up to the clubs to create the spill and that will never happen.
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Post by zerofox on Nov 5, 2015 5:16:21 GMT 10
I was shocked to find out last night at the ball park a lady from our club went to get a cup of tea and was told they cost $3.50 !!!! And a cup of instant coffee was $4.50!!!
What the bloody hell is going on up there? Are they seriously not wanting people to come and watch?
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Post by coyote on Nov 5, 2015 8:33:59 GMT 10
I was shocked to find out last night at the ball park a lady from our club went to get a cup of tea and was told they cost $3.50 !!!! And a cup of instant coffee was $4.50!!! What the bloody hell is going on up there? Are they seriously not wanting people to come and watch? If that's their plan Zerofox they've nailed it. Was also out there last night and it's a shocking place to go. Roof was leaking in the grandstand, food/drink price was deplorable..... It's hard enough to get players to the game at the ballpark let alone fans!!
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Post by doubleplay on Nov 5, 2015 11:34:28 GMT 10
And you have only just woken up to that. The rort has been going on for donkey years.
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Post by wyatt33 on Nov 5, 2015 12:19:14 GMT 10
Pretty sure there's a contract in place to supply the catering out there.....but I could be wrong. I remember we had a great win out there years ago and I asked the bloke if I could buy a slab and said yep....$75! I went over the road to the laver ton nth pub and bought one for $35. Passed it thru the gate and had it in the change rooms.
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Post by coyote on Nov 5, 2015 13:32:53 GMT 10
Pretty sure there's a contract in place to supply the catering out there.....but I could be wrong. I remember we had a great win out there years ago and I asked the bloke if I could buy a slab and said yep....$75! I went over the road to the laver ton nth pub and bought one for $35. Passed it thru the gate and had it in the change rooms. Alternatively run a "boot bar" in the carpark.
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Post by mackem on Nov 5, 2015 19:23:45 GMT 10
Pretty sure there's a contract in place to supply the catering out there.....but I could be wrong. I remember we had a great win out there years ago and I asked the bloke if I could buy a slab and said yep....$75! I went over the road to the laver ton nth pub and bought one for $35. Passed it thru the gate and had it in the change rooms. The clubs were told at the last P & S meeting that spectators now get in for free and the caterers for the Aces now do the catering for the midweek games.
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Post by perfeckt on Nov 5, 2015 19:52:11 GMT 10
I would think that with the Aces only getting a couple of hundred through the turnstiles and significantly fewer for a VSBL mid week game or two, that the prices for the upscaled quality of food and delivery of drinks would have to be expensive. Staff need to be paid, sub-contractors need to try and cover costs, etc. and as previously mentioned contracts most certainly would have been signed. I'd be surprised in fact if the primary contractor is not subsidised otherwise how, based on previous years figures, would a business be convinced to take on a gig like this? I don't have a business degree from Harvard and I understand the gripes but $4.50 for instant coffee? It should be free, to step in line with the drink responsibly mantra. Caffe Latte ? Different story but you still need someone to man the pumps and I also would guess that somewhere in the contract it says something like,'You get the Aces you do the midweek's as well'. The Aces are BV are ABL are BA are VSBL are etc........... Just the way I see it at the mo'.
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Post by 4crownies on Nov 9, 2015 9:56:15 GMT 10
Pretty sure there's a contract in place to supply the catering out there.....but I could be wrong. I remember we had a great win out there years ago and I asked the bloke if I could buy a slab and said yep....$75! I went over the road to the laver ton nth pub and bought one for $35. Passed it thru the gate and had it in the change rooms. I paid $96 for a slab there, asked for a discount, no hope. Paid it anyway, hadn't won a game in 3 years
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Post by 4crownies on Nov 9, 2015 10:01:23 GMT 10
Looking for some more information on midweek games from some of you smart people on the forum. I should probably know more about this, but I was under the assumption that when clubs who are located quite a distance from each other are playing a midweek game, the game should be played under lights at either the Ballpark at Altona, or Preston (would therefore not begin until at least 6.30pm). My club (Springvale) has a midweek game scheduled this week against Essendon (at Essendon) starting at 6pm. Aside from having a heap of girls unavailable altogether, it's also going to be very difficult getting to Essendon by 6pm for the players. Any ideas why the game cannot be played at 6.30pm at the ballpark or preston, and make it a double header with another game? Thanks! FYI Simone, We played at Essendon last Thursday night. I work 20 minutes away from their ground and it still took me 80 minutes to get there. Yes it was Oaks day and miserable weather, but still.... Good luck to you and the girls getting there in reasonable time. On a sadder note, I hope you are able to purchase food or beverages. Lemonade cans just don't cut it
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Post by viper on Nov 9, 2015 21:42:07 GMT 10
Preston play Cheltenham at 6pm at Cheltenham next Wednesday while a double header is being played at our home ground ! Go figure . There's some real bright sparks in at BV
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Post by wyatt33 on Nov 9, 2015 22:15:14 GMT 10
Kev, that's understandable, but it's still frog toss that they charged you that. We'll start taking our own beer in our bags...oh wait, we don't play there....thank Christ!
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Post by doubleplay on Nov 10, 2015 11:12:51 GMT 10
If people want to keep complaining, just boycott the place and don't turn up.
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Post by wearnie52 on Nov 10, 2015 13:11:27 GMT 10
Kev, that's funny! (I would have paid the $96 too)
I'm not complaining about Altona doubleplay, i'm complaining about not playing there actually! We are being given midweek games that start at Essendon at 6pm (we have had one for our women's seconds and have one for our women's firsts in a few weeks). It just doesn't seem right when the clubs are so far away from one another. But, if it's occurring in all leagues for all clubs, i won't complain.
At least at Altona we have until 6.30pm to get there. Makes it a little easier, and then you occasionally get a late game that most players can get to.
I have been around baseball long enough to know I pack my own food and beverages if i'm travelling to Altona. No need to complain about it, just don't pay it.
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Post by The Puma on Nov 19, 2015 5:17:42 GMT 10
2 hours and 20 minutes, Pakenham to Foostcray last night. Didn't arrive till 10 past 6 for a 6 oclock start. Thanks to FBC and the umps for waiting.
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Post by The Puma on Dec 14, 2015 19:12:36 GMT 10
Bizarre that this weeks midweek games for div 3 were moved from the 17th to the 16th. Too bad for anyone wanting to go see the all star game.
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Post by wyatt33 on Dec 15, 2015 15:10:05 GMT 10
Whisper is that our games going to get moved to a later date...surprisingly heard that the stkilda crew might have struggled(read not even bothered) to come out anyway..bit that's just herwsay
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Post by coyote on Dec 15, 2015 15:39:59 GMT 10
January 27th I hear Wyatt
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