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Post by philniekro on Jul 29, 2015 10:51:23 GMT 10
WOW,I just read the Social Media Policy and IMHO,is that basically saying you have no right to freedom of speech anymore. ( and you have to sign a document as well ).
It sounds to me like BV are just creating standover tactics towards all and sundry or even more to the point, bullying.
Am I correct in assuming that.
Time to go play tiddly winks and not be able to voice an opinion on subjects that have an impact on the sport.
Then again, I could be wrong. Can someone please clarify
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Post by larry42 on Jul 29, 2015 11:08:24 GMT 10
WOW,I just read the Social Media Policy and IMHO,is that basically saying you have no right to freedom of speech anymore. ( and you have to sign a document as well ). It sounds to me like BV are just creating standover tactics towards all and sundry or even more to the point, bullying. Am I correct in assuming that. Time to go play tiddly winks and not be able to voice an opinion on subjects that have an impact on the sport. Then again, I could be wrong. Can someone please clarify It was stated at the P&S Meeting Monday night that there would be a tough crack down on this, including this Forum apparently.
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Post by doubleplay on Jul 29, 2015 11:14:18 GMT 10
Let's waste a bit more money and have a Royal Commission into the Social Media Policy. I am sure there are some democratic rights that have been stood on by big brother. In the DBA we have a Social Media Policy that is enforced by the Clubs but none of the palava BV is displaying. If this is to be the policy enforced, you better start calling me COMRADE.
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Post by philniekro on Jul 29, 2015 12:21:34 GMT 10
That's what I thought. I was sure it sounded very antiquated but just wanted reassurance.. Thanks boof and larry
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Post by gj on Jul 29, 2015 12:35:12 GMT 10
Looks like the harassing of big brother will have to come from those of us not actually registered. Crackdown on the forum will be interesting, who is going to give them actual names to try and enforce policy?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 14:29:02 GMT 10
The Forum is independent of any baseball governing body and is not accountable to any governing body.
It has its own social media policy (see Forum Rules). Like Facebook, Twitter or any other social media vehicle, it is subject to the laws of the land - including defamation and copyright.
The policy emphasises that. It also includes a tacit agreement by Forum members that they will observe standards of reasonable human decency.
The flip side of that agreement is that we will respect any member's right to online anonymity if that is their choice and for as long as they are not making comment that is potentially in breach of the law.
Under the new BV directive, any registered member club, association or individual who has signed the agreement would seem in principle to be accepting full accountability for any comment posted anywhere (not just here) that might be deemed by the governing body (or someone, anyone) to be unacceptable, though not necessarily potentially in breach of any law.
Quite clearly that becomes a slippery slope, in that it would inevitably be based on subjective judgment and even personal whim. The danger is that it could lead to the stifling of any legitimate criticism or any reasonable question being asked in any online forum.
Baseball Australia has its own social media policy. So do the DBA and the GBA - just two of the many organisations and clubs who have already identified the need to remind people of their responsibilities and of the dangers in engaging in online forums. Baseball Victoria already had its own policy that was consistent with BA and Australian Sports Commission guidelines.
Why BV would want to take this to another level one can only surmise. If it is indeed because of this Forum, then it is a pretty sad and pointless exercise that says more about the organisation than it says about Forum comment.
Over the years the Forum has generated some tripe, some inanity and some silly comment that on occasions has come close to crossing the line. No-one denies that. It has also produced a wealth of worthwhile, sensible, insightful and useful material that has kept many decent baseball people engaged.
I became involved with the Forum by invitation at the start. I had just taken up a media and website role with Baseball Victoria. Having been out of summer baseball for a fair while, I saw it as an ideal way to re-connect and help me out personally with news, insights and getting an overall sense of what was happening around the sport during summer.
Although I did not especially want to get caught up with moderating (and still don't), the Forum helped me out enormously with the media role during those years - thanks largely to those regulars who engaged positively, constructively and usually in good humour despite the flak that we were copping from other sources.
Had the Forum been embraced by governing bodies very early on, it could have been an especially useful tool in the transmission of information and keeping the lines of communication open - especially on controversial issues. What is the old adage about keeping your friends close, and your enemies closer?
Importantly, the Forum has been moderated to a reasonable level. While recognising people's fundamental right to freedom of expression, neither Goblin nor I (nor anyone else involved, I am sure)has any desire to run foul of the law pertaining to defamation or copyright.
As it happens, the Forum has become largely self-regulating. It is only on the very rare occasion (apart from spamming) that either of us has had to remove a post, even though we may have felt uneasy about letting some comments stand.
So there is far less to fear from this Forum, I would have thought, than Facebook, Twitter and the plethora of other social media options that can be utilised with far more destructive or negative effect effect if that is what a person might seek to do.
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Post by larry42 on Jul 29, 2015 15:08:01 GMT 10
The Forum is independent of any baseball governing body and is not accountable to any governing body. It has its own social media policy (see Forum Rules). Like Facebook, Twitter or any other social media vehicle, it is subject to the laws of the land - including defamation and copyright. The policy emphasises that. It also includes a tacit agreement by Forum members that they will observe standards of reasonable human decency. The flip side of that agreement is that we will respect any member's right to online anonymity if that is their choice and for as long as they are not making comment that is potentially in breach of the law. Under the new BV directive, any registered member club, association or individual who has signed the agreement would seem in principle to be accepting full accountability for any comment posted anywhere (not just here) that might be deemed by the governing body (or someone, anyone) to be unacceptable, though not necessarily potentially in breach of any law. Quite clearly that becomes a slippery slope, in that it would inevitably be based on subjective judgment and even personal whim. The danger is that it could lead to the stifling of any legitimate criticism or any reasonable question being asked in any online forum. Baseball Australia has its own social media policy. So do the DBA and the GBA - just two of the many organisations and clubs who have already identified the need to remind people of their responsibilities and of the dangers in engaging in online forums. Baseball Victoria already had its own policy that was consistent with BA and Australian Sports Commission guidelines. Why BV would want to take this to another level one can only surmise. If it is indeed because of this Forum, then it is a pretty sad and pointless exercise that says more about the organisation than it says about Forum comment. Over the years the Forum has generated some tripe, some inanity and some silly comment that on occasions has come close to crossing the line. No-one denies that. It has also produced a wealth of worthwhile, sensible, insightful and useful material that has kept many decent baseball people engaged. I became involved with the Forum by invitation at the start. I had just taken up a media and website role with Baseball Victoria. Having been out of summer baseball for a fair while, I saw it as an ideal way to re-connect and help me out personally with news, insights and getting an overall sense of what was happening around the sport during summer. Although I did not especially want to get caught up with moderating (and still don't), the Forum helped me out enormously with the media role during those years - thanks largely to those regulars who engaged positively, constructively and usually in good humour despite the flak that we were copping from other sources. Had the Forum been embraced by governing bodies very early on, it could have been an especially useful tool in the transmission of information and keeping the lines of communication open - especially on controversial issues. What is the old adage about keeping your friends close, and your enemies closer? Importantly, the Forum has been moderated to a reasonable level. While recognising people's fundamental right to freedom of expression, neither Goblin nor I (nor anyone else involved, I am sure)has any desire to run foul of the law pertaining to defamation or copyright. As it happens, the Forum has become largely self-regulating. It is only on the very rare occasion (apart from spamming) that either of us has had to remove a post, even though we may have felt uneasy about letting some comments stand. So there is far less to fear from this Forum, I would have thought, than Facebook, Twitter and the plethora of other social media options that can be utilised with far more destructive or negative effect effect if that is what a person might seek to do. Reasonable human decency...like it KC.
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Post by coyote on Jul 29, 2015 15:59:36 GMT 10
So if people and clubs don't sign BV's policy - and it would have to be ALL people and ALL clubs - where does it stand....
As has been pointed out, pretty sure in this country we have freedom of speech.
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Post by pirates on Jul 29, 2015 16:14:05 GMT 10
i would say they will try and make it part of the membership agreement when you register as a player or club member.
judging from the p and s meeting this is all going to be voted on next meeting. make sure your club understands this and is there to put their vote forward on this and other maters. Don't forget we are the league and they supposedly work on our behalf right or have I got that around the wrong way.
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Post by johne on Jul 30, 2015 7:27:15 GMT 10
Surely if what you say or write is the truth and not vilification on grounds such as race, Religion, sex etc then you are free to express your point of view either god , bad or indifferent towards the running of our game that we all contribute significant amounts of our own hard earned towards.
My issues with the regime are well known and the only time I got a reply from the administration was after I posted a rant on this forum. Like many others out there my direct emails and phone calls to the front office were not returned.
I would encourage more people to use this forum and to use their name so as to add a level of legitimacy to what is written.
Just keep it real and keep it decent.
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Post by doubleplay on Jul 30, 2015 8:41:06 GMT 10
Must be new job coming up for BV. Social Media Watchdog. I wonder how much it will pay to be a Communist Scrutineer. It is a bit like reinventing the wheel.
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Post by redhotswinger69 on Jul 30, 2015 10:07:30 GMT 10
Must be new job coming up for BV. Social Media Watchdog. I wonder how much it will pay to be a Communist Scrutineer. It is a bit like reinventing the wheel. If it's anything like the current media officer role, not much will be expected from the person and do as little as possible
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Post by perfeckt on Jul 30, 2015 17:08:03 GMT 10
Sign o' the times really. It's like you signing an agreement that has a 'don't blame us if you get trampled by a herd of enraged wildebeest, we aren't responsible' clause on page 1,349, paragraph 232, sub par section: j71. and sometimes you don't even have to sign an agreement, just by buying a ticket to an event at the 'G' or a performance of Swan Lake by Melbourne Victory you have agreed to their terms and conditions. It's retroactive bureaucracy, is what it is. Simple ar$e covering. If something get's outrageously out of hand the floundering governing body can point to clause?, sub section?, paragraph?. and say 'See we told 'em and they agreed to it '. I'd call it a Pontious Pilate clause. As to pursuing anyone for talking about anything on a public forum, good luck BV, ABF,MLBi , I hope you've kept a good hefty fighting fund for all the solicitors you will need to prosecute. As said this is a 'public forum', I'd suggest you look that term up, the governing bodies of baseball in Australia have no juristiction in a 'public forum' whether they are or are not an amateur sports person paying you to administer and represent them. 'Private citizen', look that one up too. Just put a policy in place and leave it at that and spend more time on working for the people who you seemingly want to govern. IMHO that is. I hope I haven't offended any Romans here......I mean, Pontious took Lyre lessons from Nero and played a pretty fiery tune........oh bugger it, What did the Romans ever do for us?
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Post by perfeckt on Jul 30, 2015 17:14:55 GMT 10
p.s. a 'simple policy' that is. One without implied threats.
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Post by mc15 on Jul 30, 2015 17:51:43 GMT 10
In order to provide some balance to this topic, the majority of sports utilise the Australian Sports Commission for these types of resources. This link provides background: ausport.gov.au/supporting/clubs/resource_library/managing_risks/anti_harassmentNote the definition of harassment. Very broad as you cannot predict how someone will respond to the communication/actions. Commonsense generally prevails in this stuff. Don't slander, use facts and you won't have anything to worry about
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Post by coyote on Jul 31, 2015 8:19:31 GMT 10
Magic word is "perception".... If someone takes what you say the wrong way (the way they perceive it) then they apparently have the right to complain and/or accuse you of untoward behaviour......
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Post by mc15 on Jul 31, 2015 12:00:29 GMT 10
Magic word is "perception".... If someone takes what you say the wrong way (the way they perceive it) then they apparently have the right to complain and/or accuse you of untoward behaviour...... You got it. Not just in sport but across life. Need to choose your words with foresight, as the law states you as the speaker are responsible
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 16:07:24 GMT 10
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Post by perfeckt on Jul 31, 2015 22:59:30 GMT 10
nutstabuggerbumpisspubichair. Testing, 1...2.
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Post by mc15 on Aug 3, 2015 21:32:14 GMT 10
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Post by wyatt33 on Aug 4, 2015 13:26:50 GMT 10
Interesting.....so unless it's common knowledge who some of the alias' are, what's to stop anyone getting on here, under the guise as an interested onlooker, and give it too the league with both barrels, and walking away Scott free. yet someone who's alias is known to all, does a similar thing, can be charged with whatever the league feels they need too....slippery slope indeed!
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Post by doubleplay on Aug 4, 2015 17:51:26 GMT 10
In reply to easyout, best you find out your facts first before you type away. The DBA social media policy is actually enforced by the clubs with little interference from the DBA Executive. The DBA use social media(Facebook) very well as a way of communicating with the members and from my recollection, the DBA have only stepped in once or twice and that was fair enough. I was one of those incidences and I understood very well what was asked of myself. I don't have a problem with the DBA social media policy. I do have a problem with a blanket social media do's and don'ts. It is the right of all people to have an opinion, and a right of all people to express it, not to depress it. I do agree that alias's is a weak way of being on social media and you should have the courage to put your name to what you wish to say whether it be right or wrong.
Rob Bowen
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Post by wyatt33 on Aug 5, 2015 12:51:22 GMT 10
I don't particularly want to sign the agreement. What happens if I refuse? Will I be banned from playing? How can they do that? What are the ramifications?
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Post by stockley on Aug 5, 2015 15:04:07 GMT 10
I don't particularly want to sign the agreement. What happens if I refuse? Will I be banned from playing? How can they do that? What are the ramifications? They can refuse your registration quite easily. As with any of these types of organisations, it will be a case of if you refuse, we have the right to withhold membership. Sent from my SM-G900I using proboards
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Post by skinny on Aug 5, 2015 16:56:23 GMT 10
Which is why I am walking away from the game.. it is starting to be a big brother issue and a dictatorship regime..
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Post by farnt on Aug 5, 2015 16:58:46 GMT 10
Promise Skinny
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Post by skinny on Aug 5, 2015 18:56:38 GMT 10
Don't need it anymore.. Done everything I want and need...now fort golf
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Post by farnt on Aug 5, 2015 19:21:39 GMT 10
Always good to retire after winning the pinnacle of an ageing warrior's baseball career - a Masters Premiership. Love your work Skinward.
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Post by skinny on Aug 6, 2015 15:53:32 GMT 10
Always a good thing to win a masters premiership. although our 3rd baseman left a lot to be desired with a lot of errors.. lucky he can sort of hit. And I certainly played like I was a virgin on that day..
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Post by skinny on Aug 6, 2015 15:54:14 GMT 10
errors throughout the year I meant
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