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Post by wyatt33 on Aug 7, 2015 15:31:14 GMT 10
Swedish chef!
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Post by smf on Aug 9, 2015 16:53:54 GMT 10
i would say they will try and make it part of the membership agreement when you register as a player or club member. judging from the p and s meeting this is all going to be voted on next meeting. make sure your club understands this and is there to put their vote forward on this and other maters. Don't forget we are the league and they supposedly work on our behalf right or have I got that around the wrong way. If BV wants to shut down winter baseball, I would say that you have got it around the wrong way.
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Post by mc15 on Aug 11, 2015 21:08:14 GMT 10
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Post by skinny on Aug 12, 2015 8:32:20 GMT 10
Interesting read Crooksy..
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Post by MF on Aug 12, 2015 20:37:38 GMT 10
Sure, but that's just a simple case of defamation (well, libel, no?). The BV "social media policy" is a different kettle of fish.
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Post by mc15 on Aug 12, 2015 20:55:52 GMT 10
mf my comments on this subject are around the simple, and often silly mistakes people put themselves in due to social media. The only comments I've made about BV's policy is that you run the gauntlet if you say something silly. In my mind the policy is irrelevant with this in mind.
The article is an example of when things go wrong... Quickly
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 22:12:38 GMT 10
We should not get too hung up on the BV policy, although people might rightly be concerned about signing any document or making any undertaking that may at a later time expose them to potential action by an “appointed administrator” who may or may not have any legal standing or knowledge relating to Australian law.
My concern is that the policy is badly written in suggesting powers and parameters that simply do not apply, and cannot be applied. It is in essence a quite narrow and specific set of requirements applying to persons posting on media outlets under direct control and administration of Baseball Victoria.
There is nothing at all wrong with BV or any other body dictating what may or may not be acceptable on any social media that is directly affiliated or associated with the governing body.
Any organisation would in fact be silly to not have standards and requirements to which its members will be constrained to observe. The DBA and the GBA have such requirements. Both are moderated as far as is reasonably possible – as is this Forum.
It is important to read the BV policy closely and to grasp the implied emphasis.
In its Social Media Policy (which interestingly appears only until now on the Summer League website), Baseball Victoria through its Summer League Committee tells us that:
“An administrator will be appointed……to provide accountability and control over material published on our websites and any related discussion groups or social media websites, such as Facebook, You Tube or Twitter etc”.
It is not clear from this whether the administrator will be responsible purely for moderating BV social media, or whether he or she will seek to have a broader Big Brother agenda.
This Forum is NOT a “related discussion group”. It is an independent social media vehicle that applies its own rules of conduct under Australian law. That is not to say that anyone posting derogatory or defamatory comment about Baseball Victoria, its staff or anyone else cannot be held to account. Of course they can, under Australia law, even though it would likely be a circuitous and costly process that would require action being taken against Forum moderators and would require court orders to divulge the identity of any person accused of having been in breach of Australian law.
The Baseball Victoria Social Media Policy has this to say about non-compliance to its requirements and expectations (presumably only applicable where a person or a club or an organisation has signed their agreement to the policy):
“Members may face disciplinary action for sending inappropriate electronic communications or posting online content or comments that harass, intimidate or humiliate another member.”
While there is again the grey are of subjective judgement potentially being applied here, this is an absolutely reasonable and legally defensible requirement. Of course people should not be using social media to wilfully – or even innocently – cause harm, embarrassment or any other injury to another person. That goes without saying, almost.
Everyone is a publisher, these days. With that capacity comes a responsibility that some have still failed to grasp. Over time they may learn, to their detriment, that you simply cannot be slagging off at individuals, casting aspersions on their motives or their character or their relationships or their personalities - or making any comment that may be injurious.
As MC said earlier in this discussion, stick to the facts and you cannot go far wrong.
Facts, however, are absolutes that are not always readily available. If all aspects of life were guided by fact, then it would be a pretty bloody boring existence. That is precisely why we are gifted with the capacity to reason, to have opinion, to argue a point of view and even simply to express our personal preference for one thing or another. Tony Abbott may not embrace that concept, but most decent people do (the Prime Minister can potentially go me over the use of the term “decent” in this context, though he probably will not since I have no money).
Reasoned opinion – and at times even less than reasoned opinion – has an integral place in social media that should always be protected. Baseball governing bodies in this country are, or should be there to serve the best interests of paying members. So if I have a criticism that I wish to make, or an observation that I wish to convey about a particular service, then I have a right - and arguably a responsibility – to make my views known in any forum that I may choose, including this one.
As long as I have not crossed the line into a potential legal minefield, then I should be able to do so. And I will do so, without fear of action being taken by an “administrator” or any other person appointed for the ostensible purpose of exercising some form of control that protects their position.
In a democracy, that is the way that we go.
Australian baseball has plenty going for it. That is why so many of us have stayed in the game and tried to help out, often over many years. The sport also has some serious shortcomings that will never be addressed properly if people are fearful about expressing a view.
There are people who are unhappy about the delivery of baseball services in Victoria. Will I be sued for making that comment? Probably not.
The state governing body does not appear to enjoy the confidence of its grassroots sporting community. Will that land me in court? Absurd question.
Online coverage of the sport by Australian governing bodies is generally sloppy and left in the hands of unqualified persons or volunteers who may be doing more harm than good. Terrible thing to say, yes? Surely will lead to a law suit. Try me.
These examples are intended to illustrate the point. Yes, deal with facts wherever possible. But one way or another through the phenomenon of social media, keep it nice, have your say and continue to comment, to argue and to advocate for the betterment of the sport.
Give ‘em heaps!
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Post by perfeckt on Aug 22, 2015 20:24:56 GMT 10
I would humbly suggest that the governing bodies that dictate social media policy first start to apply up to date media commentary.
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Post by mc15 on Aug 26, 2015 7:31:17 GMT 10
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Post by wyatt33 on Aug 26, 2015 9:24:04 GMT 10
My concern is that if the league feels they don't like what's being said, but know it's not above the laws of the country, that they can still suspend a player or official that doesn't agree with their direction. I don't want to miss games because I've got an opinion that's different to the leagues moderator. Maybe I'm being a little sensitive, but we live in Australia, not some fascist regime that wants to control every aver of life. Hence we should feel free to raise concerns in regards to the running of our game in this state. I wonder if I'd be suspended if I stood up at a ps meeting and said the same thing as I could on Facebook or Twitter or here. Of course I wouldn't! I wouldn't feel threatened by the risk of suspension...because there isn't one!(unless I stood there and called them all a bunch of fwits)
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Post by MF on Aug 26, 2015 10:13:50 GMT 10
My concern is that if the league feels they don't like what's being said, but know it's not above the laws of the country, that they can still suspend a player or official that doesn't agree with their direction. Well said; 100% agreed.
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Post by mc15 on Aug 26, 2015 12:56:22 GMT 10
I can't see how you could get yourself in trouble with disagreeing or disapproving city hall's decisions. The article I posted refers to misleading or false information to damage someone's reputation.
If you started calling city hall 'inept, unprofessional, cheats, bias, etc etc' you'd have a case to answer. If you questioned publicly your views on rule implementation like it has been done on another thread, this isn't slandering...
Likewise, you are within your rights to request process or information etc
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Post by wyatt33 on Aug 26, 2015 14:37:29 GMT 10
I can't see how you could get yourself in trouble with disagreeing or disapproving city hall's decisions. The article I posted refers to misleading or false information to damage someone's reputation. If you started calling city hall 'inept, unprofessional, cheats, bias, etc etc' you'd have a case to answer. If you questioned publicly your views on rule implementation like it has been done on another thread, this isn't slandering... Likewise, you are within your rights to request process or information etc What if at times I do feel like they are inept unprofessional and biased?
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Post by mc15 on Aug 26, 2015 18:36:13 GMT 10
Feel it, think it whatever... Just don't publish it
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Post by MF on Aug 26, 2015 19:17:36 GMT 10
Feel it, think it whatever... Just don't publish it Why not? Under Australian law, true statements are not defamatory.
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Post by mc15 on Aug 26, 2015 19:34:45 GMT 10
? You can write whatever you want. I could not give a ? If you want to judge people's performance from an armchair with zero insight into their daily role, go ahead. If you want to express personal views in the public domain on third parties abilities, go ahead. If you want to roll the dice in this litigious world, go ahead. Just trying to present a couple examples of what happens when people take action. So slam away! Will create a great conversation in the dugout between innings
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Post by MF on Aug 26, 2015 19:56:01 GMT 10
Who said anything about mindlessly slamming anyone? The topic is the BV "social media" policy which several people have already expressed concerns about, in particular with respect to its potential use to shut down unwanted criticism.
No-one here is advocating libel or defamation. It is the non-malicious expression of facts and honest opinions, both of which are protected speech under Australian law, that we are concerned should not be suppressed.
If some drongo harasses, vilifies, slanders, defames, libels, persecutes, or otherwise acts like an unpleasant imbecile on this or any other social media site, then they should be prepared to cop whatever consequence is warranted.
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Post by doubleplay on Aug 27, 2015 8:21:40 GMT 10
I think you will find that it will be up to the Clubs to monitor the social aspect of facebook or the forum. The BV aspect is the acting of an overseer. I do believe it is more to protect the umpires from any disparaging remarks from games played. In other words, it is just a case of being responsible and respecting the rights of other people and also just having plain ordinary respect for people for what they are. In other words, do unto others that you would have others do unto you and don't be dumb about.
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Post by wyatt33 on Aug 28, 2015 8:39:34 GMT 10
I f I have a s**t day at the ballpark, go ahead and let me know about it! So why should umpires be exempt? Of the summer league committee, or the bv board? If they are make poor decisions, why can't they be held to account? Is that defamation?
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Post by doubleplay on Aug 28, 2015 11:01:02 GMT 10
Just be nice Damo
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Post by wyatt33 on Aug 28, 2015 13:57:46 GMT 10
Damo 'nice' Lowe!
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Post by doubleplay on Aug 29, 2015 10:17:37 GMT 10
it's got a ring to it
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Post by perfeckt on Oct 10, 2015 5:12:35 GMT 10
Sh*t, phuk, Buggr, bum, pubic hair......... ? Just checking. Social policy. Yep I've had way too much this eve'.
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Post by redhotswinger69 on Oct 13, 2015 12:05:00 GMT 10
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