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Post by aueagle30 on Nov 25, 2013 10:29:36 GMT 10
target, Elliot Biddle has retired from baseball... I spoke to him prior to the start of the Summer League season, he's happy and moving on with a new phase in his life.
A genuinely good guy and highly talented, he is missed in our line up just as much as the Aces.
I'm still hopeful we might see him back in a Baycats uniform one day, but for now we must move on.
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Post by Goblin on Nov 25, 2013 12:24:21 GMT 10
Looking on some clarification on the following which happened in the 2nd game of the heat series:
This appears on the Aces sites as part of the game 2 writeup.
"What happened next was a one of the strangest plays you will ever see. Luke Hughes popped up in the infield prompting the infield fly rule where the runners don't advance and the batter is out. The rule is in the books to prevent the infield from dropping the ball on purpose to try to get a double or even a triple play with the bases loaded or runners at first and second but less than two outs. The runners are at their own discretion and the force play is removed on the infield fly. Barber who was at third came home but was not tagged by the catcher Ryan Casteel to give the Heat the lead at 3-2 and credit Hughes with an RBI. Brandon Tripp would then load the bases again with a single to right and the Aces pen was summoned again this time it was Justin Erasmus. The former Brisbane Bandit got Matt Kennelly looking for out number two but Joey Wong worked a bases loaded walk to give the Heat a 4-2 lead as Corey Adamson scored. Sam Kennelly would strike out to end the inning."
In the play by play it lists
Luke Hughes pops out to second baseman Darryl George on the infield fly rule. George Barber scores.
Can anyone who happens to have seen it please elaborate on what actually went down.
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Post by philallen on Nov 25, 2013 15:39:12 GMT 10
Looking on some clarification on the following which happened in the 2nd game of the heat series: This appears on the Aces sites as part of the game 2 writeup. "What happened next was a one of the strangest plays you will ever see. Luke Hughes popped up in the infield prompting the infield fly rule where the runners don't advance and the batter is out. The rule is in the books to prevent the infield from dropping the ball on purpose to try to get a double or even a triple play with the bases loaded or runners at first and second but less than two outs. The runners are at their own discretion and the force play is removed on the infield fly. Barber who was at third came home but was not tagged by the catcher Ryan Casteel to give the Heat the lead at 3-2 and credit Hughes with an RBI. Brandon Tripp would then load the bases again with a single to right and the Aces pen was summoned again this time it was Justin Erasmus. The former Brisbane Bandit got Matt Kennelly looking for out number two but Joey Wong worked a bases loaded walk to give the Heat a 4-2 lead as Corey Adamson scored. Sam Kennelly would strike out to end the inning." In the play by play it lists Luke Hughes pops out to second baseman Darryl George on the infield fly rule. George Barber scores. Can anyone who happens to have seen it please elaborate on what actually went down. Goblin....here's what happened. The play developed as you described, however even though it was obviously an infield fly, although it was at the back of the infield, no one heard any call from the 3 umpires officiating. I had a perfect view of it from my position half way between the bullpen and the dugout on the 1B side. The 1st base umpire signalled IF fly by raising his arm as the play developed, the 3rd base umpire did nothing until the play was over, then raised his arm in reaction to seeing the 1B umpire's action, the home plate umpire neither signalled or verbalised the play, a fact I had corroborated by the players from both sides who were within earshot of the home plate umpire. Once the fly ball fell to the ground, not having heard any call, the runner on 3B (Barber) took off for home thinking he was being forced...George assuming it was still a force threw home for the force out, and Casteel assuming it was still a force received the ball as you would for a force out then fired the ball to 3B to complete the double play. About this time the umpires realised what was going on declared, somewhat sheepishly, that it was an IF fly and the batter was out. It was one of those plays in baseball that you might see once in a lifetime, bases loaded IF fly that the umpire doesn't call and none of the players are sure what just happened, then react according to their instincts. Once the play was over there was no avenue for recall as even if we had of objected the umpires would more than likely have invoked the "denial defence" and as no rule was violated no further action was available to us. Two very different scenarios could have transpired on this play, one...Daryl could have caught the Fly Ball, then there would have been no confusion, or the umpires could have got it right, then there would have been no confusion. I'm not attempting to deflect fault or make any other presumptions here, simply explaining what happened. Hope this clears it up for you.
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Post by Goblin on Nov 25, 2013 15:57:53 GMT 10
Looking on some clarification on the following which happened in the 2nd game of the heat series: This appears on the Aces sites as part of the game 2 writeup. "What happened next was a one of the strangest plays you will ever see. Luke Hughes popped up in the infield prompting the infield fly rule where the runners don't advance and the batter is out. The rule is in the books to prevent the infield from dropping the ball on purpose to try to get a double or even a triple play with the bases loaded or runners at first and second but less than two outs. The runners are at their own discretion and the force play is removed on the infield fly. Barber who was at third came home but was not tagged by the catcher Ryan Casteel to give the Heat the lead at 3-2 and credit Hughes with an RBI. Brandon Tripp would then load the bases again with a single to right and the Aces pen was summoned again this time it was Justin Erasmus. The former Brisbane Bandit got Matt Kennelly looking for out number two but Joey Wong worked a bases loaded walk to give the Heat a 4-2 lead as Corey Adamson scored. Sam Kennelly would strike out to end the inning." In the play by play it lists Luke Hughes pops out to second baseman Darryl George on the infield fly rule. George Barber scores. Can anyone who happens to have seen it please elaborate on what actually went down. Goblin....here's what happened. The play developed as you described, however even though it was obviously an infield fly, although it was at the back of the infield, no one heard any call from the 3 umpires officiating. I had a perfect view of it from my position half way between the bullpen and the dugout on the 1B side. The 1st base umpire signalled IF fly by raising his arm as the play developed, the 3rd base umpire did nothing until the play was over, then raised his arm in reaction to seeing the 1B umpire's action, the home plate umpire neither signalled or verbalised the play, a fact I had corroborated by the players from both sides who were within earshot of the home plate umpire. Once the fly ball fell to the ground, not having heard any call, the runner on 3B (Barber) took off for home thinking he was being forced...George assuming it was still a force threw home for the force out, and Casteel assuming it was still a force received the ball as you would for a force out then fired the ball to 3B to complete the double play. About this time the umpires realised what was going on declared, somewhat sheepishly, that it was an IF fly and the batter was out. It was one of those plays in baseball that you might see once in a lifetime, bases loaded IF fly that the umpire doesn't call and none of the players are sure what just happened, then react according to their instincts. Once the play was over there was no avenue for recall as even if we had of objected the umpires would more than likely have invoked the "denial defence" and as no rule was violated no further action was available to us. Two very different scenarios could have transpired on this play, one...Daryl could have caught the Fly Ball, then there would have been no confusion, or the umpires could have got it right, then there would have been no confusion. I'm not attempting to deflect fault or make any other presumptions here, simply explaining what happened. Hope this clears it up for you. With no TV or audio working for that game we were unable to tell what went on. It was only when reading the writeup that we were aware of it. So, Daryl actually muffed the fly (not recorded as a muff because of the IF call). I can now see why everything developed from there. Thanks for clearing this up soup.
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Post by theslammer on Nov 25, 2013 17:53:33 GMT 10
Goblin....here's what happened. The play developed as you described, however even though it was obviously an infield fly, although it was at the back of the infield, no one heard any call from the 3 umpires officiating. I had a perfect view of it from my position half way between the bullpen and the dugout on the 1B side. The 1st base umpire signalled IF fly by raising his arm as the play developed, the 3rd base umpire did nothing until the play was over, then raised his arm in reaction to seeing the 1B umpire's action, the home plate umpire neither signalled or verbalised the play, a fact I had corroborated by the players from both sides who were within earshot of the home plate umpire. Once the fly ball fell to the ground, not having heard any call, the runner on 3B (Barber) took off for home thinking he was being forced...George assuming it was still a force threw home for the force out, and Casteel assuming it was still a force received the ball as you would for a force out then fired the ball to 3B to complete the double play. About this time the umpires realised what was going on declared, somewhat sheepishly, that it was an IF fly and the batter was out. It was one of those plays in baseball that you might see once in a lifetime, bases loaded IF fly that the umpire doesn't call and none of the players are sure what just happened, then react according to their instincts. Once the play was over there was no avenue for recall as even if we had of objected the umpires would more than likely have invoked the "denial defence" and as no rule was violated no further action was available to us. Two very different scenarios could have transpired on this play, one...Daryl could have caught the Fly Ball, then there would have been no confusion, or the umpires could have got it right, then there would have been no confusion. I'm not attempting to deflect fault or make any other presumptions here, simply explaining what happened. Hope this clears it up for you. With no TV or audio working for that game we were unable to tell what went on. It was only when reading the writeup that we were aware of it. So, Daryl actually muffed the fly (not recorded as a muff because of the IF call). I can now see why everything developed from there. Thanks for clearing this up soup. This was a key moment in the game as well. I agree it was something you don't see everyday on the baseball field. The Aces could have left Perth with all three games if the baseball gods were with them. Hope the supporters get behind them this week.
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Post by lonewolf75 on Nov 29, 2013 8:26:38 GMT 10
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Post by stuartcapel on Nov 29, 2013 9:38:41 GMT 10
"One thing we know about Canberra is Joey Burns has beaten them already."
Burns no doubt threw well in Canberra for five innings, but he received a no decision as the Aces lost in extra innings.
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Post by bobby on Nov 29, 2013 10:17:31 GMT 10
Could be like the preview on the ACES site that lists John Hussey as a position player as well pitcher!
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Post by stuartcapel on Nov 29, 2013 22:47:11 GMT 10
Good standard of baseball tonight, though it was heart in the mouth stuff in the ninth. Would be nice to have a laugher one of these days but I'm sure the club and its fans will take the wins where and when we can get. A little bit of daylight between us and Brisbane, who are now in sixth.
Loved the aggressiveness on the bases and the way the team made things happen out there. Trapp got caught (no pun intended) but when you're aggressive occasionally these things will happen. All the runs came off the long ball tonight, but if the aggression stays that should change.
Coaches pulled all the right strings tonight. I'm guessing Murphy will play the rest of this series for the Cavalry but that was a pretty poor look running down the line at the umpire. He probably won't get one, but he deserves a suspension for that.
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Post by doubleplay on Nov 30, 2013 7:08:59 GMT 10
Enjoyed my night at the Baseball last night. Good result even with heart in mouth stuff in the last innings. Joe Burns threw well. Good defence and good hitting. Stuey Howe in fine form and a couple of ejections, makes for a good night. Good luck Aces tonight.
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Post by theslammer on Nov 30, 2013 11:13:39 GMT 10
Good standard of baseball tonight, though it was heart in the mouth stuff in the ninth. Would be nice to have a laugher one of these days but I'm sure the club and its fans will take the wins where and when we can get. A little bit of daylight between us and Brisbane, who are now in sixth. Loved the aggressiveness on the bases and the way the team made things happen out there. Trapp got caught (no pun intended) but when you're aggressive occasionally these things will happen. All the runs came off the long ball tonight, but if the aggression stays that should change. Coaches pulled all the right strings tonight. I'm guessing Murphy will play the rest of this series for the Cavalry but that was a pretty poor look running down the line at the umpire. He probably won't get one, but he deserves a suspension for that. Well the Melbourne Aces got up. This is what I was saying. The team had bad luck in Perth and could have quite easily left with a sweep of the series. I hope there was good attendance and more people go out to the games.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 19:27:24 GMT 10
Well said slammer.
I have not been at the games this weekend but have followed a couple via radio commentary. Outstanding coverage by SEN (Ed Wyatt on Friday, Frita and Craig Durham for both days), an effort that has set an appropriately high standard to mirror the quality of the baseball.
It is clear that the league is becoming progressively stronger, with some stellar pitching performances, great defence and the occasional long-ball by clubs in this series. On the basis of what we have seen thus far, there will be very little between all teams over the course of the season - which is of course the way that it should be.
To anyone who might be wondering why Baseball Victoria is not offering at least some online coverage to this series against Canberra (other than a couple of linked images), the answer is simple. As the summer web writer Í have not yet been given access to the new IMG system for the main BV site. BV from the start has been a committed supporter of the new league. Nothing has changed in that regard.
I do note, though, that the ABL is becoming far more diligent and timely in its online coverage (particularly through the involvement of US-based Tyler Maun). Although there remain some issues that need to be sorted with streaming, there seem to be some very good signs for the ABL (and the Aces) at this early stage in the season.
This is developing as a pivotal series for the Melbourne Aces. It has implications for the entire league in the short to medium term. While many of us can't be there for the Sunday game, we can express our support for the club in various other ways.
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Post by theslammer on Dec 1, 2013 10:40:16 GMT 10
Well said slammer. I have not been at the games this weekend but have followed a couple via radio commentary. Outstanding coverage by SEN (Ed Wyatt on Friday, Frita and Craig Durham for both days), an effort that has set an appropriately high standard to mirror the quality of the baseball. It is clear that the league is becoming progressively stronger, with some stellar pitching performances, great defence and the occasional long-ball by clubs in this series. On the basis of what we have seen thus far, there will be very little between all teams over the course of the season - which is of course the way that it should be. To anyone who might be wondering why Baseball Victoria is not offering at least some online coverage to this series against Canberra (other than a couple of linked images), the answer is simple. As the summer web writer Í have not yet been given access to the new IMG system for the main BV site. BV from the start has been a committed supporter of the new league. Nothing has changed in that regard. I do note, though, that the ABL is becoming far more diligent and timely in its online coverage (particularly through the involvement of US-based Tyler Maun). Although there remain some issues that need to be sorted with streaming, there seem to be some very good signs for the ABL (and the Aces) at this early stage in the season. This is developing as a pivotal series for the Melbourne Aces. It has implications for the entire league in the short to medium term. While many of us can't be there for the Sunday game, we can express our support for the club in various other ways. Just took a look at the expanded standings : web.theabl.com.au/standings/index.jsp?sid=l595Melbourne is only two games from the 3rd play off spot. It really is up for grabs at the moment. Much closer than normal. It does show that the HEAT do like to play better away from home. We were having trouble watching the stream coming out of Sydney yesterday. However, I do agree KC that the online coverage is vastly improved. The standard of play is much better this year, and it is great to go to the park to watch the games. There are a lot of quality players out there. I hope that we start to see more people attending the games and getting behind their res[pective teams. Support them in positive ways.
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Post by lonewolf75 on Dec 2, 2013 7:31:41 GMT 10
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Post by stuartcapel on Dec 3, 2013 9:59:55 GMT 10
If the rumour mill is indeed correct, despite having not lost a series this season and having at the time being in sole possession of first place in the ABL, the Canberra Cavalry successfully applied to have their import allocation increased from 14 to 16 players for the current season in the week leading up to the series against the Aces.
If true, there seems little point getting excited about, or following, the league anymore.
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Post by moose on Dec 3, 2013 12:03:16 GMT 10
Now Stu I'll have to give you a stern talking to! Its my job to be negative. Not Yours. You know its always been my opinion that the ABL intends to force the standard up and they will use the Cavalry as their means of achieving this aim. The clubs will have to pick up their pace,fall behind or fall by the wayside. You, like me, will continue to follow our side despite what ever obstacles in put in our way. It'll just make success when it does come that much more satisfying. Neil W
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Post by izzygunna on Dec 3, 2013 14:40:51 GMT 10
Has Brooke Knight added bite to the Bite, if so what do the Aces need to do?
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Post by theslammer on Dec 3, 2013 19:05:23 GMT 10
Now Stu I'll have to give you a stern talking to! Its my job to be negative. Not Yours. You know its always been my opinion that the ABL intends to force the standard up and they will use the Cavalry as their means of achieving this aim. The clubs will have to pick up their pace,fall behind or fall by the wayside. You, like me, will continue to follow our side despite what ever obstacles in put in our way. It'll just make success when it does come that much more satisfying. Neil W Saw this article on another site : thebaseballdigest.wordpress.com/2013/12/02/more-abl-nonsense-proxy-playing-roster-management-rules-makes-no-sense/It does make for interesting reading. Does it add to the conspiracy theories that abound. The facts withing the article are true btw. Any comments about it?
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Post by lonewolf75 on Dec 5, 2013 8:02:54 GMT 10
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Post by stuartcapel on Dec 5, 2013 19:35:37 GMT 10
Now Stu I'll have to give you a stern talking to! Its my job to be negative. Not Yours. You know its always been my opinion that the ABL intends to force the standard up and they will use the Cavalry as their means of achieving this aim. The clubs will have to pick up their pace,fall behind or fall by the wayside. You, like me, will continue to follow our side despite what ever obstacles in put in our way. It'll just make success when it does come that much more satisfying. Neil W Saw this article on another site : thebaseballdigest.wordpress.com/2013/12/02/more-abl-nonsense-proxy-playing-roster-management-rules-makes-no-sense/It does make for interesting reading. Does it add to the conspiracy theories that abound. The facts withing the article are true btw. Any comments about it? I wanted to put together a response Slammer, but it's not an easy one to answer. Besides, I think Aces fans at the ballpark on Sunday are still trying to work out how come the best positioning for an umpire in a play at the plate is either in the third-base coaches box or twenty feet behind first base. Once we can comprehend that, maybe we can comprehend a Priority Players list and the extra burden it places on some ABL managers.
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Post by moose on Dec 6, 2013 22:10:04 GMT 10
A good first up effort by the Aces to win the first game of their 6th round home stand against the Adelaide Bite 7 - 0.
Good effort by their starter pitcher Joe Burns who went six innings before the bull pen closed out the game. Solid offence highlighted with a Home run by Casteel (?)
Overall a solid performance which sent the smallish crowd home happy with the aces effort tonight.
Neil W
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Post by stuartcapel on Dec 7, 2013 8:53:30 GMT 10
Last night was most overdue - it was perhaps the most near complete performance the Aces have put together at MBP since the move. Indeed it was the Aces highest margin of victory at home since the Preliminary Final double-header at the Showgrounds in season two. Was certainly the closest the fans have had to a laugher since that wild day against Sydney.
The next two days will define the Aces season. With just two series wins in the past sixteen series, Melbourne MUST take two of the remaining three games against the Bite.
The coaching knockers are again quiet after last night, which is pleasing. The baserunning was aggressive, and the pitching sharp. Good management at the end of the game too. That may prove to be of benefit later in the series when the going could get tough.
Small crowd but lets put that down to the weather. I think it was published at 833, which begs the question, which person wasn't counted twice? ;-)
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Post by pirates on Dec 7, 2013 10:23:14 GMT 10
you might find that the membership holders are counted whether there or not so at the moment that would mean that the crowd numbers would start at around 500? for each game. As for the improvement on the ground, I'd say there has been "a have real good look at your selves" sort of approach by players and coaches. talent has always been there its just getting the right mix going. you're putting together a group of top baseball talent together with the majority never meeting before let alone playing together. all good from here IMO. best facility and some of the best ground crew and announcers around. pity about the score board hope that's sorted asap.
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Post by moose on Dec 7, 2013 16:58:31 GMT 10
About 300 people in actual attendance was my estimate.
From all accounts the Aces up in the first of the DH so we are on track to win the series. Lets hope so.
Neil W
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Post by texasleaguer on Dec 8, 2013 0:27:45 GMT 10
Not only will all 4 ACES v BANDITS games be streamed on iiNET next weekend, we will also have full Audio Simulcast LIVE and recorded at mixlr.com/banditstv with special ACES guest Commentator Stu Capel to inform us on all things ACES throughout the 4 Games from Holloway Field Brisbane. You can also send Chat messages mixlr.com/banditstv/chat direct to the commentary team during the game or SMS us 0415 285 574
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Post by moose on Dec 8, 2013 5:35:41 GMT 10
It will no doubt be done at its usually high quality to which we have become accustomed over the last few seasons. Great effort to use Stu when he's up there. Pity his talents can't be used locally when we have one of those very few streams from MBP. BTW you guys must be shaking in your boots at the prospect of being the first away series winfor the Aces in their History of the second ABL. Good luck and, as usual, good call of the series Neil W
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Post by texasleaguer on Dec 8, 2013 18:16:38 GMT 10
It will no doubt be done at its usually high quality to which we have become accustomed over the last few seasons. Great effort to use Stu when he's up there. Pity his talents can't be used locally when we have one of those very few streams from MBP. BTW you guys must be shaking in your boots at the prospect of being the first away series winfor the Aces in their History of the second ABL. Good luck and, as usual, good call of the series Neil W We will do our best Moose with the limited Stream resources we have compared to some Well done ACES on the SWEEP !!!!, I can tell you BANDITS are coming into form also so it will be a great series next weekend. ALL Forum members are encouraged to login to mixlr.com/banditstv/chat/ during next weeks games. Broadcast on iiNET of course but the simulcast Audio will allow you to LIVE comment direct to Stu and Commentary team during the 4 Game Broadcasts. SMS line will also be open 0415 285 574. Stu and I will get these chat messages/SMS direct. During any player Interview you can also ( time permitting ) ask a question to the player LIVE Cheers Glen
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Post by moose on Dec 8, 2013 21:06:55 GMT 10
Congratulations to the Aces for their first home series win since the semi - final of season 2011-12 IIRC.
From all accounts, I wasn't there, they played very well Today and looked a quality outfit. Long may it continue to be so.
The Aces big test comes next week at Brisbane where we will never have a better opportunity to get the Gorilla off our backs with our first series win on the road since the new ABL started.
Do that and finish the season 500 and indeed many of the Aces critics will be silenced I believe.
Neil W
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Post by stuartcapel on Dec 8, 2013 21:43:11 GMT 10
Moose, the Aces beat Adelaide 2-1 in the series to open last season, and swept Brisbane 4-0 last year, with Justin Huber (who played in his 150th Aces game today) being hit by a pitch with bases loaded in extras to complete the sweep that series.
I think that was the most complete series I have seen the Aces since series one when they demolished Brisbane. Sadly though, while the crowd was on their feet after every game, especially after the extra innings walk-off, the players refused point blank to acknowledge the applause in the stands.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2013 21:58:44 GMT 10
A productive weekend onfield for the Aces and hopefully a sign of things to come for the remainder of the season.
On another, arguably more important matter even than a series sweep.....
A contingent of 60 something kids, with junior organisers and a few parents, travelled down from Ballarat to see the Sunday game.
By all reports they were treated in royal fashion by Aces coaching staff and players.
They (including the adults) returned home wide-eyed and absolutely rapt with their experience at the ballpark and the welcoming manner in which they were received.
Parents and kids are already planning further trips to ABL games.
This is surely what it is all about in seeking to develop Australian baseball and teaching our young people the value of team sport.
To the coaching staff and players who were involved, thank you for taking the time - and making the effort - to give the kids a truly memorable experience at the ballpark.
Kingsley Collins
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