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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 19:05:23 GMT 10
Into the business end of the season at senior level......
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Post by Goblin on Mar 11, 2013 20:04:28 GMT 10
Div 1 Masters final, Geelong defeated Waverley Div 2 South, Bonbeach vs Sandy. not sure what is happening with them. Whilst Twitter says Sandy defeated Bonbeach 4-2, on BV Comp Management website it says Bonbeach (forfeit)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 22:10:19 GMT 10
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Post by Goblin on Mar 12, 2013 11:39:14 GMT 10
Further to a question that was asked by someone rambling on in an earlier thread about the venues for Div 1 games.
They questioned why Geelong were playing Blackburn at Altona and Essendon Vs Chelt were at Latrobe, despite Essendon finishing on top.
To clarify things.
For all the previous seasons since BV reverted to the current finals format, the team that finished on top had 1st choice over preferred venue, be it Altona or Latrobe.
Essendon thought this would be the case again as precedents had been set in concrete
But apparently not,
The 1st Essendon heard this was no longer the case was on Sat/Sun... and on querying it were informed
"the Summer League based the decision on the location of the clubs involved, the fact that Geelong had not played midweek games at Preston, it would be unfair to expect Geelong to travel a half hour extra to get to Preston etc'..."
So, diddums
Speaking for myself as per usual, playing at Preston has many more benefits for the players and supporters.
Firstly, we don't pay to enter, (not sure if club gets invoice or not) and the food selections at Preston are 2nd to none.
Their schnitzel rolls are to die for. As well as parking plentiful.
So, I'm looking forward to a great game whilst enjoying great food in what will be excellent weather for finals baseball.
Preston are to be congratulated on a great venue and great volunteers.
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Post by pirates on Mar 12, 2013 13:57:02 GMT 10
The committee are very great full of your acknowledgement, should be a great game tonight.
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Post by oldmanriver on Mar 12, 2013 13:59:43 GMT 10
Could you please explain to me, how Bonbeach forfieted and Sandringham did not. Did both Clubs not turn up to Altona. Surely if one forfieted, then the other must've as well. Personally I couldn't care as the best team won the game that went ahead regardless of the stupidity of BV of rostering a game at Altona especially at 8.30pm. The section was after all, Div 2 SOUTH, which means not crossing the Yarra or the Westgate Bridge, just to satisfy some lunatics sense of humour. Well done to Sandy and Bonbeach on putting on a fine spectacle where players and supporters of the Div 2 SOUTH teams were able to go and spectate.
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Post by stuartcapel on Mar 12, 2013 14:24:41 GMT 10
If I may ask, did the game have BV appointed umpires? If so, how did they know to turn up at Tulip Street?
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Post by Goblin on Mar 12, 2013 14:31:37 GMT 10
If I may ask, did the game have BV appointed umpires? If so, how did they know to turn up at Tulip Street? Would find it strange re the umpire situation as the umpires listed to umpire were the same three who were umpiring the earlier Div 1 masters game at Altona. So, every chance they reverted to the original Masters gentlemens rules, no appointed umpire, both teams catchers would do the honour system of calling balls and strikes. Whilst it is always better to have an umpire appointed, it was not a common thing in the early years and the honour system worked very well for many years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 14:57:55 GMT 10
Maybe.....until TC started catching for the Diggers.
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Post by perfeckt on Mar 13, 2013 10:56:03 GMT 10
Great game to watch at La Trobe last night . Well worthy of two dynamic teams in the play-offs, Cheltenham v. Essendon (Bombers won 3-2). Chelt' made a couple of errors but Essendon made one that should be a warning to everyone at any level of serious baseball. I noticed at one stage, several Don's outside of the dugout and on the field of play leaning against the dugout mesh and fenceline. Obviously excited and involved in a tight game. I wondered then, why didn't any of the three umpires warn the team and instruct them to return to the dugout. A couple of digs later....Essendon pop fly and the ball coming down right on edge of their dugout. A difficult catch at the best of times Chelt' catcher charges in for the catch scattering at least 1/2 a dozen Bomber personnel and misses the catch. Interference called, batter out, side away. I'm not criticising anyone, it just goes to show that at this level in particular every thing has to be 100% right. Can't wait for Saturday at the Drome and then Sunday at the Farm. ; )
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Post by wako on Mar 13, 2013 12:22:56 GMT 10
Interesting, perfeckt. I've noticed a seemingly increasing trend over the years for more and more team personnel to sit on the field rather than the dugout and I'm not quite sure why or whether it's supported in the rules. This one seems relevant:
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Post by durhambull on Mar 13, 2013 12:57:24 GMT 10
Is there any word on where the Div 2 reserves Grand Final is going to be held? Albert Park is unavailable and still nothing posted on the web.
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Post by wskier on Mar 13, 2013 14:38:52 GMT 10
When you actually have a look on the website there is a number of games that still don't have locations:
Div 1 4ths Chelt vs Melb - should be at Chelt but the 1's might need to play there in game 3 of Semi Div 2 Reserves as stated Div 2 3rds - Fitzroy vs Berwick? Website still not updated properly - should be at Fitzroy but the 1's might need to play there in game 3 of Semi Div 2 4ths, (prelim final result still not updated) but winner due to play Bonbeach at Bonbeach
So seems once again that BV is still dragging the chain on getting these things updated especially given it it nearly 4pm on Wednesday.
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Post by The Puma on Mar 13, 2013 14:57:14 GMT 10
Also div 4 South Chelt v Carrum.
I don't really see the problem, according to the rules if the higher teams ground is unavailable it gets moved the lower teams ground, if that out to it gets sent to a neutral.
They can't wait till Saturday night to see if grounds are needed or not so they have to be ruled out.
So Chelt v Melb at Melb Stkilda V Berwick at Berwick Fitzroy v Berwick at neutral venue and Chelt v Carrum at Carrum
The fact that it has taken 2 days and still no games posted means there must be more to it. Were there any protests?
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Post by wskier on Mar 13, 2013 15:01:43 GMT 10
Div 4 South, is listed on the website as on Chelt Outer. Which would be okay, given that they played on the outer during the season, I assume that Chelt 4ths didn't play a game on the outer at all, which would mean that they are then not able to play on there for finals.
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Post by The Puma on Mar 13, 2013 15:09:33 GMT 10
Yea good point, Chelts 4ths are also listed as paying one game on he 3rd field (R2). Would one round be enough?
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Post by farnt on Mar 13, 2013 15:51:33 GMT 10
GF games need to be played on a ground both teams have played on, so Chelt's 4's wouldn't have played on outer/3rd field let alone Melbourne's 4s playing on that field too. Game would need to be on a free neutral ground where both teams have played.
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Post by wako on Mar 13, 2013 15:52:58 GMT 10
Puma, it might be, but I can say for certain that that game was actually played on Cheltenham's 2nd field - the one beyond left field of their main field.
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Post by wyatt33 on Mar 13, 2013 22:03:15 GMT 10
Righto, here goes.....Newport beat mully in a cracker, 7-4. Both starters did well, with young weir going 7, giving up 3, and mighty mike going the distance. A game decided by a couple of good innings each, otherwise dominated by pitchers. As a rebels fan, a far better effort, against that probably had a run diff. of over 20 in the years two games. A bloop here and a stretch there and maybe the result would be a little different. A good hitout by both sides, and looking forward to Saturdays game to try and square the ledger.
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Post by mazeroski on Mar 14, 2013 11:21:02 GMT 10
Rumour has it that a umpire was struck after game.
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Post by stk09 on Mar 14, 2013 11:41:18 GMT 10
Also div 4 South Chelt v Carrum. I don't really see the problem, according to the rules if the higher teams ground is unavailable it gets moved the lower teams ground, if that out to it gets sent to a neutral. They can't wait till Saturday night to see if grounds are needed or not so they have to be ruled out. So Chelt v Melb at Melb Stkilda V Berwick at Berwick Fitzroy v Berwick at neutral venue and Chelt v Carrum at Carrum The fact that it has taken 2 days and still no games posted means there must be more to it. Were there any protests? Is that true? That always seems odd to me. Why, if the aim is to give the team that has the week off home advantage, is the second of three options to completely reverse that advantage therefore handing the advantage to the team that should be the away team? Shouldn't the neutral option be the 2nd option? In any case is there still no news on where these GF's are going to be played? When, realistically, will the locations be known?
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Post by The Puma on Mar 14, 2013 11:49:40 GMT 10
I agree mate, but that's the way the rule is written.
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Post by farnt on Mar 14, 2013 13:33:49 GMT 10
Can someone actually point me to the specific rule please. I'm keen to see if 'back diamonds' are still classified as a home ground. I thought both teams in the contest have to have played on that specific field. In the Cheltenham example if the Div1 game is on Diamond one, will the a Fourths and Division 4 (South)? have to play on the other diamonds at Cheltenham if Melbourne and Carrum haven't played on those specific fieldS???
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Post by The Puma on Mar 14, 2013 13:38:39 GMT 10
18) Allocation of Play-off Venues
a) The Summer League Committee shall schedule Play-off games. The scheduling of Play-offs published by the Summer League Committee is final.
b) Higher sections shall be given preference when determining the venue of Play-off games. If a higher section of a club has already been scheduled to play a Play-off game at that club’s venue and a lower section of the same club is scheduled to play a Play-off game on the same day, then:
i) If the club has a second diamond available, and the lower section team has played games on that second diamond throughout the Regular Season, the lower section team Play-off game shall be scheduled on the second diamond at the club’s venue, otherwise;
ii) If the diamond at the second ranked team’s venue that has been used by the second ranked team during the Regular Season is available, the Play-off game for the lower section shall be scheduled at the second ranked team’s venue, otherwise;
iii) The Play-off game for the lower section shall be scheduled at a neutral venue.
c) Due to time constraints, Play-off games will not be scheduled one after another at the same venue.
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Post by farnt on Mar 14, 2013 16:17:43 GMT 10
Thanks Puma. Wow facemask alone is a 15 yard penalty.
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Post by theeck on Mar 14, 2013 16:26:28 GMT 10
Actually if we want to get extremely technical, StK falls into the B iii section. Their field is not availavalbe for the Div 2 reserves game, not because a higher ranked home team is on it, but, as you all know, a international event. No where in the by laws does it mention any thing other than 'higher section of the club' takes precidence. StK, in conjunction with Pt Melb put in a submission for the game to be at Port. No inconvience to either team in terms of location and no true home field advantage. A seemingly fair request for all. This is just another example, in a long line of examples, of common sense being thrown out the window and BV waving by laws in peoples faces, which dont even apply in this case, using the 'you'll do it our way' crap. I've been on the inside of my club for over 30 years and nothing has ever changed in the Assoc office. They were incompetant fools back then, still are. I hope someone from BV trolls these forums. If you are. Shame BV shame. You supposed to be acting in the best interests of the players, teams, clubs and most importantly the game. Epic fail in that reguard.
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Post by oldracer on Mar 14, 2013 21:06:26 GMT 10
not sure I'm reading this right but the Summer League home page has next games for D1 being semis on sunday afternoon as well as the D1 ressies GF being on sunday, surely I'm not reading this correctly? ?
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Post by Goblin on Mar 14, 2013 21:29:49 GMT 10
not sure I'm reading this right but the Summer League home page has next games for D1 being semis on sunday afternoon as well as the D1 ressies GF being on sunday, surely I'm not reading this correctly? ? Hiya Racer, Game 2s are still Sat 2pm that I'm aware of. Had a look at online fixture and I think it is a quirk of the best of three system that it is displayed that way. Game 2 is there it just doesn't display the date.
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Post by Goblin on Mar 14, 2013 21:37:04 GMT 10
Had a closer look, and I see why it is displaying that way.
If you click on details link in the Game 2 Box scores, you will notice that players are listed in there, despite the game 2 days away.
You will also notice it shows the date as 16th Mar.3
Some has screwed up entering game 1 data of the score sheet and mistakenly entered player names in game 2 area instead of Game 1.
The system is thinking that because of it the game must have been played and that is why Game 3 is showing as the next upcoming date.
They have done in the Game 2 of the Geel v Blackburn game as well.
As usual, system is fine, problem lies in the human imput.
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Post by toot on Mar 14, 2013 22:22:27 GMT 10
I wanna know why the catcher had his facemask on. As soon as the ball was hit to centerfield 1st thing the catcher did was take his mask off then he threw it away when realising there was gonna be a play. Collision was hard but FAIR. Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story hey trober
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