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Post by dazza33 on Oct 5, 2012 10:26:58 GMT 10
Puma, you might find a new lock on the Gym door if you keep those comments up! :mad:
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Post by eckersley43 on Oct 5, 2012 19:31:16 GMT 10
Maybe Puma is making a "joke". If not the Girls Friendship Series, would have provided you with at least a hundred reasons why Girls/Women's baseball should be supported. I can understand some people not being interested, as that is their prerogative. I don't understand the viewpoint that welcomes the possible demise of Women's baseball.I don't want to hear lesser standard etc or we might as well scrap female events in the Olympics. Notwithstanding that some women play at a higher level than some of their critics.
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Post by houghy49 on Oct 5, 2012 20:36:41 GMT 10
My point was that age shouldn't matter IF you can still hold your own. There are some players out there 40+ that are still at the top of their game IMO. Therefore it shoudn't matter how old people are and all the other excuses in the book I've heard. If a team is still good enough to play at the best level, then why wouldn't they want to?? I guess we'll soon see now that the fixtures are out. Will be very interesting to see if the same thing that happened last year happens again this year.... I think I already know that answer before the season starts though!! GOOD LUCK EVERYONE! What i find funny is that you can continue to comment on something that you have little knowledge of, little. And by something i refer to is another club. So stick you pot shots, because none of the girls you refer to read this forum so if its for their benefit your wasting your time. And my better half has given my strict instructions that she doesnt want to hear a thing. Dont give me the player development bs by playing at a higher level or development of womens baseball in general coz thats all bs as well. Development of the womens league has deeper seeded problems that can only be looked at by each club. actually no point going any further because its lost on some people even if they have been around the game for sometime. I'm sorry, where exactly did I refer to another club?! You know what happens when you make assumptions Kane....
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Post by houghy49 on Oct 5, 2012 20:38:54 GMT 10
Puma, you might find a new lock on the Gym door if you keep those comments up! I've already got the garage door company coming around in the morning Dazza! :sad2: You know you can buy a set of resistance bands for $20 Puma.... or if you're lucky, I'll give you a couple next time we're passing
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2012 21:11:29 GMT 10
Three forfeits have already been given for Opening Round - out of eleven games. While one of those has been known about for some time (end of season footy trip), are there circumstances that might explain this?
Hopefully this is a one-off because of school holidays or other factors.
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Post by mandi on Oct 5, 2012 22:16:44 GMT 10
After watching a little bit of the games today at the junior girls friendship, womens baseball will continue, it was great to look out on the fields and see the girls playing, lets keep trying to support these girls.
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Post by dazza33 on Oct 6, 2012 3:16:22 GMT 10
Maybe Puma is making a "joke". Nup, this bloke trawls the forum on a daily basis just looking to criticise those just like myself who contribute nothing but accurate and informative posts. I've set up an online petition at www.pumash1tsus.com to have his internet access revoked.
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Post by larry42 on Oct 7, 2012 21:02:36 GMT 10
No mention that the women's comp needs to be scrapped. The only way that the comp will survive and thrive will be on the back f individual clubs and their own passion to embrace the programs, and the development of current players and those junior girls coming in to the sport.
I still believe that we, and I say we as the women's league, are a junior level short. The Under 15 age group is great, but what of the 10/11/12 year old girls who are too young to play U15. I'm not sure how many girls are out there at clubs that age but I know from experience how many don't want to go from tball to boys Under 12. Hopefully this will be available to them at some stage in the near future.
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Post by runningbunt on Oct 8, 2012 11:35:20 GMT 10
Great first week of the new league set up.
No major blow outs, no complaints by all teams.
Well done to all.
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Post by larry42 on Oct 9, 2012 10:15:43 GMT 10
Wyatt - some of the young Melb girls did okay and look promising for the season. Antoher arm or two wouldnt hurt them but they did okay. Were you there for the game.
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Post by houghy49 on Oct 12, 2012 22:23:45 GMT 10
So we're two rounds in and there have been four forfeits already.
Rumour has it that Sandringham had enough players last week, but their coach didn't have anyone 'strong enough' to pitch so they forfeited, in Division three.
Surely something has to be done about this! It can't continue to happen year in year out!
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Post by larry42 on Oct 13, 2012 18:19:41 GMT 10
Waverley A beat Foots 12-8 today. Highlight was a grand salami off the bat of new Bulldog Leslie Anglin to straight away CF that was just pissed on.
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Post by wyatt33 on Oct 14, 2012 19:50:16 GMT 10
Larry, after your kids gave us a touch up this morning, I thought I'd mention the melb girls both got walloped yesterday. The arms are non existent. Good to see they have two teams on the park, but going to be bloody hard without a pitcher. Hope they can improve, and maybe get a couple of wins before Xmas. On a personal note, thanks for your patience this morning. It's hard enough to coach a bunch of rookie kids, let alone having to umpire as well. You've got a very exciting bunch of kids there. The future of baseball is in your hands...you know that right?
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Post by easyout on Oct 14, 2012 20:37:00 GMT 10
In relation to Sandringham forfeiting last week Houghy, not sure of the reason myself but in relation to the comment 'Surely something has to be done about this! It can't continue to happen year in year out!' I can say with 100% certainty that this is the first forfeit in the history of the Sandy womens program since it was restarted five seasons ago. So not sure if that comment was in relation to forfeits in general (and if it is then yes, I wholeheartedly agree that something needs to be done), or at Sandy specifically. Thought I'd correct it if it was in relation specifically to Sandy.
But back to the matter at hand. I agree the pitching depth is a huge issue. For Div 3 in particular (or even Div 2) has anyone considered the option of pulling the pitching plate forward so the distance is not as great? I know I would have given pitching a serious go except the power required to consistently pitch over the full distance was too much for my old shoulder. Has that suggestion been put forward for discussion? Just a thought, but it could make the comp a bit more competitive and encourage girls who otherwise wouldn't have had a go at pitching to do so. Would also be a great way to build confidence for young girls, starting shorter and building up to longer distances as a way of stepping up to higher divisions.
I know this would mean a bigger step up for women wanting to move up to Div 1, but shouldn't we be looking at the greater good?
All just suggestions, food for thought but trying to be solution focused for the girls I know who are out there miserably trying to win a game every week with nobody to stand on the mound and do the job for them with any consistency.
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Post by oldmanriver on Oct 15, 2012 7:22:08 GMT 10
If I remember correctly, Womens Baseball used to be played over the U/16 distance(3 feet closer). Perhaps it could be reintroduced for Div 3 and maybe Div 2. Also maybe pitch restrictions could be put into place to encourage more pitchers to used or developed. IE: maybe pitch no more than 3 innings(similar to the Masters which is 4). Just food for thought.
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Post by larry42 on Oct 15, 2012 10:00:28 GMT 10
Larry, after your kids gave us a touch up this morning, I thought I'd mention the melb girls both got walloped yesterday. The arms are non existent. Good to see they have two teams on the park, but going to be bloody hard without a pitcher. Hope they can improve, and maybe get a couple of wins before Xmas. On a personal note, thanks for your patience this morning. It's hard enough to coach a bunch of rookie kids, let alone having to umpire as well. You've got a very exciting bunch of kids there. The future of baseball is in your hands...you know that right? Damo - well i hope things pick up for the Demons and they can develop or find some arms to keep them in games. My wife said that some of the young girls looked good potentially. I hope the young kids at Mully were ok with the game yesterday, hopefully they can battle through and develop as the season progresses. You may have one of the smallest teams in history mate! My kids were thrilled with the fact they could run around on the Dandenong main field, although need to speak to the Poole family about their drainage system in the new dug outs. Forgot to bring my flippers. That must have been Suerigepipes job....
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Post by wyatt33 on Oct 15, 2012 12:49:36 GMT 10
Spoke to bigplums and all it is is the float must be stuck. You guys needed flippers....we needed a bloody fire extinguisher! The motor for the freezer we had in our dugout caught fire! Kids nuts em selves a bit, but yours truly saved the day, with my special super breath! It's been known to kill small birds as well, my breath, but I digress....
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Post by houghy49 on Oct 15, 2012 13:52:03 GMT 10
In relation to Sandringham forfeiting last week Houghy, not sure of the reason myself but in relation to the comment 'Surely something has to be done about this! It can't continue to happen year in year out!' I can say with 100% certainty that this is the first forfeit in the history of the Sandy womens program since it was restarted five seasons ago. So not sure if that comment was in relation to forfeits in general (and if it is then yes, I wholeheartedly agree that something needs to be done), or at Sandy specifically. Thought I'd correct it if it was in relation specifically to Sandy. But back to the matter at hand. I agree the pitching depth is a huge issue. For Div 3 in particular (or even Div 2) has anyone considered the option of pulling the pitching plate forward so the distance is not as great? I know I would have given pitching a serious go except the power required to consistently pitch over the full distance was too much for my old shoulder. Has that suggestion been put forward for discussion? Just a thought, but it could make the comp a bit more competitive and encourage girls who otherwise wouldn't have had a go at pitching to do so. Would also be a great way to build confidence for young girls, starting shorter and building up to longer distances as a way of stepping up to higher divisions. I know this would mean a bigger step up for women wanting to move up to Div 1, but shouldn't we be looking at the greater good? All just suggestions, food for thought but trying to be solution focused for the girls I know who are out there miserably trying to win a game every week with nobody to stand on the mound and do the job for them with any consistency. Definitely not directed at Sandy easyout, just across the board as a whole. There have in fact now been FIVE forfeits in the first two rounds. Two rounds in and some girls are yet to even play a game! That's a wasted $45 odd at some clubs! I think the idea of bringing the pitching plate forward is a great idea too! It would certainly make it easier on a lot of the girls and of course their team that's for sure! I don't think it would work for Div 2 though, there are too many decent pitchers in Div 2 that I believe are well and truly capable of throwing senior distance. Could you imagine EJ of Werribee for eg. throwing 57 feet? No one would have a chance against her!
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Post by eckersley43 on Oct 15, 2012 15:34:07 GMT 10
Add Stokes from Doncaster D2 to that list..would be almost unhittable at the shorter distance.I understand pitching is more complex than throwing, but how often at practice or even in the warm ups do players get to throw( without the mound) the pitching distance? Seems to me that that there would be quite a few that could develop a consistent throw for an innings or two..or is it a case of aiming too high initially and getting bogged down in the pitching mechanics?(Div3 I am referring these comments to.) I may be wrong..just a thought.
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Post by larry42 on Oct 16, 2012 7:19:03 GMT 10
I think Div 3 girls/women should play on 57ft pitching distance and 85 ft base paths.
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Post by splitfinger on Oct 16, 2012 20:32:32 GMT 10
I think Div 3 girls/women should play on 57ft pitching distance and 85 ft base paths. Agreed 100%. Ideally this should have been introduced prior to this season given the season structure. On a different topic, what happens to points now that Geelong have dropped out? At this stage Essendon have a win on the board, thanks to the forfeit given to them in round 1 by Geelong - but DoncasterA have completed their bye created by Geelong's withdrawal. If all other teams get a bye, surely Essendon don't get to keep the win purely because they were fixtures to play Geelong before they formally withdrew. Just seeking clarification - shouldn't it be one or the other? Either have the bye as a bye, or award the win to all. Surely it can't be a bit of both? Maybe this is just an anomaly which will be corrected at some stage.
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Post by stuartcapel on Oct 16, 2012 20:37:26 GMT 10
I think Div 3 girls/women should play on 57ft pitching distance and 85 ft base paths. The winning pitcher in last season's Division Three Grand Final threw a one hitter. How many hits would she give up if the pitching plate was moved forward three feet?
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Post by eckersley43 on Oct 16, 2012 21:05:45 GMT 10
Good point Stuart..Isn't the problem of "struggling" pitchers (Div 3)that the game becomes a procession of walks, not that the batters dominate the pitcher. I would have thought the issue was more of accuracy rather than distance. If playersdon't have regular/sustained practice, at any prescribed distance, then missing the plate (regular or shortened) wide by 3 feet won't really be solved. More people prepared to throw in Div 3 seems to me a better option than one or 2 specialists in a team with a 3 foot reduction.Would have thought the infielders could become make shift pitchers.
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Post by wearnie52 on Oct 16, 2012 21:15:23 GMT 10
I'm going to have to go against Houghy here and disagree with moving the plate forward in Div 3.
The skills between the girls in D3 and D1 & 2 are already a long way off, moving them forward would not help them become better players. I agree with Eckersley. There are girls out there who i am sure can at least make the distance. They may not be 'pitchers' as such, but they could make the distance.
Let's encourage more girls to get out and throw. We have a D3 pitcher who throw about 30 mph. She isnt' the best pitcher in the world, but she gets up there and has a go, and since she has been working on just throwing strikes for the last few years, that's all she does now. Throws a lot onto the bat too, but throws a lot of strikes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 21:31:07 GMT 10
As a person who has not been involved with women's baseball, I'm not qualified to buy into this, but I would have thought that the sport - like any sport - would be about encouraging players to get better.
If we compromise on pitching distance for seniors, for example, would that then be a precedent for other modifications to rules because some clubs are stronger or more capable than others? For example, not being able to take a lead (as in softball) or shortening the outfield distances.
We modify certain rules in Masters to accommodate the age factor, but no-one to my knowledge has ever suggested changes to the fundamental rules of baseball - especially pitching and base path distances for senior players.
For junior sport it is a different proposition altogether.
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Post by larry42 on Oct 16, 2012 22:00:13 GMT 10
We have modifications or changes to baseball rules and the way it can be played as recent as this year with the extended line up rule. Fairly significant addition to the rules. I'm not sure that moving the field dimensions slighty to assist pitch accuracy, therefore allowing more at bats, more balls in play, more defensive plays is a big compromise for the short term. Clubs developing arms and pitching prospects has been an issue since the league began. Clubs and teams can only keep being encouraged to keep on or improve what they are doing.
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Post by larry42 on Oct 16, 2012 22:07:29 GMT 10
I think Div 3 girls/women should play on 57ft pitching distance and 85 ft base paths. The winning pitcher in last season's Division Three Grand Final threw a one hitter. How many hits would she give up if the pitching plate was moved forward three feet? I can hear the voice in my head (you know who you are) but I can't help it. Stu - great question. Maybe half a hit if that's possible.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 22:11:06 GMT 10
Not being argumentative here, larry, but the extended lineup rule is not a change to fundamental rules of baseball - it is an addition designed to allow greater participation within the existing rules.
Changes such as that particular one (originally introduced in Masters) have come about largely in response to player preference and demand. If players and administrators of the women's league argue a case for changes to field dimensions, then it may well happen.
Though I'm not quite sure what you mean about a compromise for the "short-term". A year, two years, five, ten?
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Post by easyout on Oct 16, 2012 22:35:18 GMT 10
So clearly our current approach isn't working, that we all seem to agree on.
What is the Div 3 demographic? Does BV have that data compiled? What % are developing juniors who will be striving to move up divisions, and what % are older women taking a few hours out on a Saturday avo having a break from the kids?
Knowing that kind of information can assist in making informed decisions about what is and isn't the right thing to do in relation to what changes are made, if any. Either way, I know several women who have left the sport at that level cause they're sick of the forfeits, sick of paying the same fees as the men for much fewer games, sick of being constantly walked by some teams and sick of being flogged by others. It's a real shame.
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Post by larry42 on Oct 16, 2012 22:35:28 GMT 10
Not being argumentative here, larry, but the extended lineup rule is not a change to fundamental rules of baseball - it is an addition designed to allow greater participation within the existing rules. Changes such as that particular one (originally introduced in Masters) have come about largely in response to player preference and demand. If players and administrators of the women's league argue a case for changes to field dimensions, then it may well happen. Though I'm not quite sure what you mean about a compromise for the "short-term". A year, two years, five, ten? 5-10 years is a long time in women's baseball KC. In fear of having MC15 on me re opinion, I was thinking 3 years and assess. Extended line up as an addition, regardless of purpose or intent, is still a major modification to baseball rules as we have played. Point taken KC not as argumentative.
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