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Post by Chardy on Aug 24, 2010 19:14:26 GMT 10
just out of interest, can't we just round off the centre field fence to make it more normal...? or is it due to the positioning of the light which would be in centrefield being too far away? and its true, chicks do dig the longball... When was the last time anyone checked out the dimensions of Minute Maid Park in Houston?? Very short left field porch and the hill in centrefield - I think a pointed centrefield at the showgrounds would be a great quirk to seperate us from the rest. So much so that I think we will need to come up with a name for it.
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Post by Spice on Aug 24, 2010 19:38:13 GMT 10
I agree Chardy, we are different so we need to celebrate it.
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Post by dickieknee on Aug 24, 2010 23:27:30 GMT 10
I met a customer in Mt Eliza today who used to play in the Diamond League LONG AGO. The first words out of his lips was about the condition of the Main ground "down Laverton way".
So long ago and such a horrible look of distsate on his face!
Once I mentioned the ABL was back and it's home ground looks like the Melbourne Showgrounds he lit up! With a statement like "Thats much better."
SAre we going to keep the arrangement with Softball Vic and keep Altona?
I know the ABL is seperate of Baseball Vic. However could we invest any returned monies from that ground into somethingelse?
Albert Park? Near the Offices of Baseball Victoria? We could then move the Aces to a Diamond that has real position.
P.S. I saw Melbourne Showgrounds last week and hardly recognised the place. It has under gone extensive renovations and building works FOR THE BETTER.
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Post by nukelaloosh on Aug 25, 2010 10:09:11 GMT 10
I'm all for chardy's idea of embracing the quirkiness of the field, and naming the right angle in straightaway centre would be a great way to do this.
How about: "The Centrepoint ... where home runs go to die"
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Post by Marshy on Aug 25, 2010 10:52:44 GMT 10
I like the idea Nukelaloosh!
May I suggest though, that home runs shouldn't "go to die" they should "achieve immortality"
The area could have some pearly gates or similar and any balls hit through them would be "immortalised" somewhere, like in a showcase near the entrance gate.
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Post by Ace on Aug 25, 2010 11:45:34 GMT 10
Pythag point...named after Pythagoras' theorem for right angled triangles...something like that anyway...
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Post by Ace on Aug 25, 2010 11:46:29 GMT 10
Then you crush one to CF, and it doesn't get close - "he hit that on the hypotenuse"
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Post by The Puma on Aug 25, 2010 11:52:33 GMT 10
Just heard a rumour that Dandy council have proposed a 2.5 mill upgrade to the grounds that Dandy/Mulgrave share. Both grounds redone with new home run fences and warning tracks, new buildings and AAA standard lights. Cages moved to the ends and stands built down both lines. Works on the main ground to start Monday week and be playable in 6 weeks. Lights to be up by start of next ABL season and all works finished in 2 years.
For a council to cough up that sort of coin there must be some sort of guarantee of games and with only 20 home games I can't see them being anywhere else.
But just a rumour at this stage.
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Post by player to be named on Aug 25, 2010 11:56:05 GMT 10
Then you crush one to CF, and it doesn't get close - "he hit that on the hypotenuse" "He'll have to hit the gym if he has any chance of hitting one past the Cosine."
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Post by goldensombrero on Aug 25, 2010 15:57:22 GMT 10
I also heard that one puma, and that Federal gov were kicking in as well as MLB.. There was a certain American powerbroker down that way a month or so ago looking at things....Dont know if amything was settled, but thats what i heard
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Post by duke on Aug 25, 2010 20:20:41 GMT 10
Puma, while we are all hanging out for news on the league, your "rumour" would seem to be just that (despite stated support of the Dandenong Council and plenty of interest being expressed in going out there). The Dandenong Council has not awarded any recent or related tenders relating to baseball development. Without budgetary decisions being made and without tenders being issued, there is simply no way that any such major works could be starting on Monday week (and completed in six weeks!). As for the Federal Government chipping in funds, GS, we don't even HAVE such a government. And may not for several weeks, or three months if another election is called. My mail is that the Showgrounds is still well on the agenda, with an ABL schedule to be announced during this week. If the Aces are based at the Showgrounds, the opportunity might arise to at some point to centralise the Aces ABL and Victorian administration at the venue. It seems that Altona is dead in the water and such a proposition would make logical sense if the Showgrounds option became viable.
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Post by The Puma on Aug 26, 2010 8:14:24 GMT 10
I hear what your saying duke, like I said just what I heard.
I wonder what all the piles dirt council hape dumped there in the last week is for?
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Post by fairgo on Aug 26, 2010 8:34:17 GMT 10
As we all know the centre of Melboure as a whole is well East of the CBD, what would be interesting is an analysis of the baseball public and see where we sit geographically. I would hazard a guess in saying that the vasy majority of baseballers live well East if not more S/e of the CBD. Hence the failure of Altona reguardless of the infrastructure problems there.
ANyone know of such research? Want this to based on home postcodes as in where they live not play.
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Post by Chilli Wil on Aug 26, 2010 10:45:59 GMT 10
As we all know the centre of Melboure as a whole is well East of the CBD, what would be interesting is an analysis of the baseball public and see where we sit geographically. I would hazard a guess in saying that the vasy majority of baseballers live well East if not more S/e of the CBD. Hence the failure of Altona reguardless of the infrastructure problems there. ANyone know of such research? Want this to based on home postcodes as in where they live not play. All well and good if you want the people already interested in baseball to turn up. If you want to grow the sport by getting people not involved in baseball to turn up, you need something in the CBD. I'd also hazard a guess that most people in the S/E suburbs would be willing to travel to the CBD, but unwilling to travel to the western suburbs. Likewise people in the west not wanting to travel to the S/E. All roads lead to Rome and such
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Post by stockley on Aug 26, 2010 11:44:22 GMT 10
As we all know the centre of Melboure as a whole is well East of the CBD, what would be interesting is an analysis of the baseball public and see where we sit geographically. I would hazard a guess in saying that the vasy majority of baseballers live well East if not more S/e of the CBD. Hence the failure of Altona reguardless of the infrastructure problems there. ANyone know of such research? Want this to based on home postcodes as in where they live not play. I'd hazard a guess and say that you would be mistaken. There is a league that plays winter stretching from the East to the North. Theres a league in Geelong. Theres a league in Ballarat. Theres a league in Dandenong Theres a league in the La Trobe valley There are leagues in the winter stretching all around Melbourne, and Victoria. Research based on postcodes of residence would be interesting, but realistically, Dandenong is a h3ll of a long way south east of the CBD for travelling to get to games. Anybody on the west or even on the North of the city is going to skip a lot more games. And the point of the league is to get bums on seats. Having the ground closer to the CBD makes a lot more sense. Public transport would be much better, amenities around the ground would be better. This debate always seems to come up around field placement... Effectively, you would be creating a new "Altona". Having a purpose built stadium is a great idea. But putting it on either extremity is ridiculous.
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Post by duke on Aug 26, 2010 12:14:15 GMT 10
I hear what your saying duke, like I said just what I heard. I wonder what all the piles dirt council hape dumped there in the last week is for? Wherever the Aces are finally located, the franchise will have extra time available to have its venue ready - with our first home games not until 26/27 and 28 November. Aces first round in Adelaide over 11, 12 and 13 November.
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Post by oldracer on Aug 26, 2010 12:22:07 GMT 10
I hear what your saying duke, like I said just what I heard. I wonder what all the piles dirt council hape dumped there in the last week is for? Wherever the Aces are finally located, the franchise will have extra time available to have its venue ready - with our first home games not until 26/27 and 28 November. Scheduling several Saturday double-headers for the Aces during the season might also tell us something. Aces first round in Adelaide over 11, 12 and 13 November. with the increased ABL schedule and with many summer teams entrenched in saturday fixtures, it seems it may create it's own problems, does this mean back to sundays for local ball then??
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Post by duke on Aug 26, 2010 12:50:37 GMT 10
It's an interesting juggling act, racer.
I hear that the Aces will be playing a couple of Sunday games (maybe to fit in with other events at the Showgrounds, if that is where the Aces finish up going).
BV might be expected to work around this - maybe by rescheduling all of its senior games to Saturday for the weekends involved.
Don't be surprised if we even see some ABL games being played midweek - here and interstate.
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Post by dickieknee on Aug 26, 2010 19:20:16 GMT 10
Monday night Baseball is alive and well in USA. Why not here? It makes sense.
I'm for a more centralised ground. There is a lot of mid 20's around the city area looking for something to do. A lot of Students and a lot of DINK's.
I smell money in them thar wallets!
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Post by Goblin on Aug 26, 2010 20:35:47 GMT 10
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Post by wookie on Aug 26, 2010 23:51:43 GMT 10
Dickieknee- us students dont have money in our wallets
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Post by password on Aug 27, 2010 7:17:17 GMT 10
So in 11 weeks time is any ground going to be ready for the start of the season?
As MLB want to attract non baseball people to the games, if we used the showgrounds do you think the Moonee Valley Friday Night races will take a lot of our market? The Friday night races get big crowds over the summer.
The Studley Park area would be a great central location, they currently have 11 to 12 football/cricket ovals there and it's only 6.2km from the CBD. I'm sure they have already looked at this though.
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Post by Game On on Aug 28, 2010 0:11:35 GMT 10
Just want to touch on the point made by "The Puma", the rumour has caught on like wildfire in the SE at the moment. I have heard that the council has had the plans drawn up and from what I heard are even at the Dandy Clubrooms to see. This is only what I have heard and have not seen or them or have even been down there to look. However rumor that I heard is that they will be starting work very shortly and ground will be unplayable for 8 weeks. Not exactly sure of the start date. But everyone around that club seems very excited. Looking foward to playing there this weekend to see if any of this has merit. Still my preferred venue is CBD as it is better for baseball - so my vote is for the showgrounds
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Post by dickieknee on Aug 29, 2010 19:48:44 GMT 10
LOL Wookie! As a parent of a college student I know things can be tight. However, if there is room in the wallet for a shandie at the pub, there is room for an entry ticket and a hotdog!
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Post by wookie on Aug 29, 2010 20:50:15 GMT 10
Im sure there will b enough money in my wallet 4 a ticket or 2
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Post by deebs on Aug 29, 2010 23:21:15 GMT 10
i have been off the scene for a while, i am in japan and thought i would taske a look at this thread, there seems to be alot of talk about Albert park and st kilda, both venues were looked at as well as the junction oval.
st kilda baseball ground, you are not allowed to close the field in so no signage home run fences and because it is a public park we werent allowed to charge admission,
albert ground Atheletics australia are moving in there , collingwood are taking over the olympic running track also were the storm play, no signs or advertising is allowed at the albert ground, even though i see a big Bob Jane sign again no fencing, so all these venues were looked at and i agree it would be good to play out of alberty park or st kilda.
i did look at the show grounds it is awesome, they have spent over 200mil on the total redevelopment of the grounds, quirky field lights are good 4200 seat plenty of corporate facitilities. hopefully it goes ahead i think it will be a winner
deebs
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Post by The Puma on Aug 30, 2010 7:13:37 GMT 10
hopefully it goes ahead i think it will be a winner deebs Are you saying you know nothing about the showgrounds being signed, sealed and delivered on Friday. I find that a bit hard to belive deebs.
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Post by wheezer on Aug 30, 2010 9:23:05 GMT 10
Does anyone actually know that the Aces are playing the Showgrounds? Or is this comments of speculation?
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Post by goldensombrero on Aug 30, 2010 10:42:50 GMT 10
Deebs, good to hear from you..your imput to the forum has been sorely missed....Also, Puma, you may have some pretty good sources re Showgrounds...I heard the same from the bakers wifes brother in laws sons girlfriends mothers broither....
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Post by deebs on Aug 30, 2010 16:13:12 GMT 10
long way away on the gold coast dont get the good mail like i used to,i dont believe it is confirmed yet, i think everyone is trying hard to get it over the line,if we get it as a venue, we will start the membership rally, i think we need to shoot for 1000 paid members to make it viable, i will be buying a membership dont think i will get yo use it much on ther gold coast but we need to get this rolling and it needs to be sucessful
deebs
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