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Post by philliesfan on Jul 28, 2008 20:49:24 GMT 10
what are the players thoughts on saturday games instead of sundays
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Post by johne on Jul 28, 2008 20:57:05 GMT 10
very glad someone raised this topic.
Its got to be saturday games! Its better for everyone, better for the players and better for the clubs. Why we still play on sundays I dont know.
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Post by Chardy on Jul 28, 2008 21:05:19 GMT 10
Saturday for sure - no question
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Post by lowdown on Jul 28, 2008 21:43:06 GMT 10
Yeah dont worry about the poor sticks that have to work on saturdays. Why the desire to change it? A couple of saturdays, sure, but not the whole season. You'd definately lose more than you gain, I reckon>.
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Post by johne on Jul 28, 2008 22:01:06 GMT 10
There is also people who work on sundays. I think that's a null and void reason.
Winter baseball is played on saturday (and has helped create clubs that are stronger socially and thus financially), every other sport in the land use saturday's as their main day for this exact reason.
Back when Summer baseball first started in Victoria around 78 the decision to play on sundays was made because many of the top players were also top cricketers and our sport did not want to lose (and could ill afford to lose) players to the other bat and ball sport.
But now 30 years later Baseball can stand alone. I am not aware of anyone who plays division 1 firsts who also plays cricket at a high level. The old argument of clubs sharing grounds with cricket teams is as good as dead. In divy 1 I think Newport is the only club that still shares a field with a cricket team.
Come VBA make the change!
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Post by martyB on Jul 28, 2008 22:06:54 GMT 10
Plus, who wants to play with a hangover?
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Post by johne on Jul 28, 2008 22:12:09 GMT 10
Plus, who wants to play with a hangover?  yes that too |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2008 22:16:45 GMT 10
He'll correct me (and slap me) if I'm wrong, but I believe that John has been a long-time advocate of reverting to Saturday baseball in summer. There are some pretty sound reasons for doing so, which I recall he outlined in a posting on the Essendon website last summer. A link to that might be handy to present the various arguments.
In the end, it has to be the current players who decide what is collectively best for them. It's not up to the retired, the administrators and the dinosaurs to make the call. But "lowdown" does have a point, too. It's a long season in summer, and a Saturday commitment - each week - will create issues for some players if they have work or other priorities.
Maybe we need to "hasten with care".....maybe some mid-week games, some Saturday games, Saturday twilight and night games where the facilities are available, and some Sunday games as well.
The structure does not have to be imposed "from above". Clubs, and players, should rightly take the lead. Where clubs are prepared to negotiate a "reschedule" to a Saturday, or Saturday night (as Geelong does with a couple of clubs, I believe), then they should go ahead and do so. If, over time, it becomes clear that the preference - for most clubs - is to play most games on Saturday, then administrators will be constrained to respond.
Of course there are other considerations that come into it. Among them, juniors. Juniors being available to play seniors on the same day. Women's competitions. Availability of grounds.
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Post by johne on Jul 29, 2008 17:49:28 GMT 10
BELOW IS WHAT I WROTE LAST YEAR TO THE BASEBALL RADIO PROGRAM ABOUT SATURDAY GAMES. ___________________________________________________ TIME FOR A CHANGE IN 1977 some 30 years ago the premier league in Victoria the VBA moved from a winter league competition to a summer league competition. For as long as there had been baseball played in Australia prior to 1977 it was always as a winter sport, the main reason for this was so as not to clash with the Cricket season as many players who were top Baseball players were also top cricketers. To have both sports playing at the same time of year back then would of meant most men having to choose between one or the other. By 1977 though baseball was bigger enough to hold its own and to be played when its meant to be played in summer and thus the change was made. Now its time for another change! A time to change game days from Sundays to Saturdays! Since the summer league began Sunday has been the day for all our games to be played. In 1977, 30 years ago the reason for playing on Sundays was to avoid clashing with cricket clubs who played their games on Saturday and shared some of the fields our clubs used for baseball. This is no longer a problem (with the exception of maybe Newport and 1 or 2 other clubs in lower divisions). This winter I have played some games for Research, before this winter season it had been over decade since I played winter ball in Australia. The one thing I have noticed from this winter season more than anything is the improved social side of clubs and after match "get togethers" that take place in comparison to the summer league. What is the reason for this? The players who partake in the games are basically the same blokes that play in summer, the weather is worse than in summer obviously, and the standard while still high is not quite as high as the summer league. So none of these facts provide evidence for why the winter league is superior in the social stakes (in fact some of these facts should produce the opposite). The reason to me is obvious, its because winter is played on Saturday's and summer is played on Sundays. Try and try as so many clubs have it is still a battle to keep players from both clubs around for longer than 15 minutes after games. Its not the clubs fault and its not the players fault. The reason players cant stick around is because come the completion of games on Sunday at around 6.30pm its approximately less than 12 hours before the guys have to get up and head off to their job's on Monday morning. I have spoke to many fellow players about this and have yet to meet anyone in favour of Sunday games to Saturday games. The players want it! Club's revenue would improve immensely and I know my club (and I have no doubt many others) want the change. The reason for playing on Sundays that produced the decision 30 years ago is no longer valid. We do not share fields with cricket clubs anymore, and if there is one or two clubs that do than its time for them to tell the cricket to move to Sundays or move fields. There is not many cricket clubs around that are as strong in members (4 senior teams, master team, between 4 to 8 junior teams on average, not to mention the women's teams) as our baseball clubs that fill up the top 3 divisions of the vba. So I call on the VBA on behalf of the players, supporters and clubs to make the brave decision and change to Saturday baseball. Its a decision that will be greatly beneficial to our game. _______________________________________________________ Link the the baseball radio facebook group page discussing this matter www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=4171688651&topic=2845 |
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Post by trout fisherman on Jul 29, 2008 20:16:17 GMT 10
sundays are crap..... ive played this game since 84 and still playin seniors ie A grade.... sundays suck, especially when you have to pull up for work on a monday after playin on a 35degree day on a sunday... at least on saturdays you can have a social aspect after the game, at the moment everyone just peals off after the game to get their ar$es in bed for the long week ahead... as for playin ball out at altona, that is a whole new argument, but that sucks as well, just so you all know..
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Post by lowdown on Jul 29, 2008 21:53:46 GMT 10
maybe some of us work saturdays during winter as well and just want to play some ball? Thought about that? This crap about getting pissed aftera game and stuff like that is irrelevent. as i stated, a few games no worries, the whole season, we'd lose half our club. Guess cause we're not 1st div, we dont have a say then hey!
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Post by Chardy on Jul 29, 2008 23:23:31 GMT 10
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Post by 350lifetime on Aug 10, 2008 16:49:59 GMT 10
My personal preference is for Saturdays but I agree with the level headed comments of kc about junior and womens competitions and ground availability. All these things need to be considered before an accross the board decision is made. This has been voted on at P & S meetings several times in the past and never gets through which tells me that many clubs are like lowdown . I think the clubs should be able to nominate at season start what day their club plays its home games. And your comments don't surprise me once again chinmusic.
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Post by Chardy on Aug 11, 2008 14:38:57 GMT 10
350 - they don't suprise you? Thats nice |
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Post by bigal on Aug 11, 2008 16:43:09 GMT 10
Hey lowdown, just wondering if you play baseball in the Winter?
Its got to suck getting up on a Monday morning and heading off to work with a hangover from drinking on Sunday after a 40 degree day of playing baseball.
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Post by lowdown on Aug 11, 2008 20:24:40 GMT 10
Never played winter ball. Always a footballer that time of year. As for getting up on a monday, after beers in the heat of summer, well i dont really know anything else, but I guess if you all feel the need to challenged after a game of baseball, then whether you get up on sunday morning or monday morning with a hangover, i dont think thats your main issue. It's pretty irresponsible to have as your main point of changing to a saturday, as its easier to get over a hangover, then it really isn't an issue.
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Post by baberuth on Aug 12, 2008 16:46:02 GMT 10
Never played winter ball. Always a footballer that time of year. As for getting up on a monday, after beers in the heat of summer, well i dont really know anything else, but I guess if you all feel the need to challenged after a game of baseball, then whether you get up on sunday morning or monday morning with a hangover, i dont think thats your main issue. It's pretty irresponsible to have as your main point of changing to a saturday, as its easier to get over a hangover, then it really isn't an issue. Its not the hangover issue here, it is socially better for the club which inturn helps with money issues. Maybe it could help keep playing fees from rising each year. Does anyone hang around at your club after a game? |
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Post by dandyboy on Aug 13, 2008 21:16:01 GMT 10
saturday
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Post by baberuth on Aug 15, 2008 15:28:45 GMT 10
Nice comment Kouchakdjian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by baberuth on Aug 15, 2008 15:29:57 GMT 10
You got to love Kouch. ever seen his dance of the flaming ass hole? |
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Post by slider on Aug 15, 2008 18:32:22 GMT 10
Holds the record for the amount of 10 cent coins he can stick up his nose as well.................must admit, and dont think he would mind me saying this, he certainly has the schnoze to do it.......
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Post by flip on Aug 15, 2008 22:47:28 GMT 10
This forum may not be reprentative of all clubs and aspects of the sport, but obviously there is a need to look at this. Dont talk about it do something..............but please ensure that we look at the big picture.........we have to take into account, the fact the people do work (more so probably in the 3rd's and 4ths - but hey are part of this too), womens and juniors, number of games, mid weeks/Saturdays/Sundays, and dont forget all the support aspects of the game official (Umpires & Scorers), canteens etc.
Probably a lot more complex than people think........
Maybe a few more clubs need to take Geelongs lead and request some Saturdays & twilight games and phase it in to the clubs that it suits before doing the big bang.
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Post by oldracer on Aug 18, 2008 9:56:01 GMT 10
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong because I think we have the perfect scenario as it is, BV allows us to schedule our own games with our opponents in an agreed circumstance, i.e. if both sides are happy, the game can be played on a thursday morning as I understand it.
Of course that won't happen but I do believe that there are no more limited game change restrictions, we had 7 Saturday games last year at Geelong and the teams that assisted us I believe enjoyed the change. We reciprocated so that was 14 saturday games out of a 27 game season.
So for those clubs that have player restrictions for Saturday, they still play Sunday and for all others it is open to negotiation with your opponent of the day, again, as I understand it.
So, should that be the case, it is up to the players to approach their club and get them to organise Saturday games as I can assure you, some clubs don't even reply to pre season contact for game changes. Maybe those clubs don't have someone on the committee with the time to do game changes, if so, as a player, put your hand up and assist, your club will certainly benefit from the increased social activity Saturdays provide.
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Post by homerun on Aug 18, 2008 10:54:52 GMT 10
Well I have been reading all of this debate with interest and find it confusing that everyone wants the VBA to make the decision. Obvisously the peole who represent the Clubs at the monthly P & S meetings are not informing everyone at the club of the position. The VBA competition last year made it possible for a club to play all of its games on a Saturday. Each Club effectively gets 9 home games on a weeks end. The VBA has allowed the Clubs to determine how many of these home games are to be played on a Saturday. That is that prior to the drawing of the fixture the club is to organize with its other divisional clubs those that are prepared to play on the Saturday. They then advise the VBA and these are fixtured into the program as Saturday games.
So what is all this discussion about when it is a total irrelavance as it is up to each club the determine their Saturday games.
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Post by dandyboy on Aug 18, 2008 19:43:26 GMT 10
Nice comment Kouchakdjian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i dont think so, and lowdown what days did u play footy on. not too many leagues play sundays. |
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Post by lowdown on Aug 27, 2008 0:35:12 GMT 10
When did i say i played footy on sunday. I was saying i never played winter baseball. As for the social aspect, when has it been any different. I also said some sat games were good, but, as was mentioned, not all of us that dont play in the 1st can get to an earlier game on a saturday. Work. I guess i'm on my own with this one, except of course for the VBA!
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yes that too
