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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 18:42:40 GMT 10
Shaping as another beautiful weekend for summer baseball competition....  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 19:17:17 GMT 10
Saturday fixtures in Division Two were seriously disrupted, with Ballarat vs Upwey, Doncaster vs Berwick and Sunshine vs Williamstown games all abandoned because of rain and ground conditions.
No news yet on Bonbeach vs Malvern and Port Melbourne vs Werribee.
Conditions seem hopefully on the improve for Sunday.
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Post by MF on Oct 22, 2016 19:49:56 GMT 10
No news yet on Bonbeach vs Malvern and Port Melbourne vs Werribee. Presumably because those games are scheduled for tomorrow? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 19:57:10 GMT 10
Well, I'll be buggered, MF. You are quite right. My apologies to all and sundry.  |
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Post by stuartcapel on Oct 23, 2016 17:18:24 GMT 10
Melbourne defeated Springvale 5-1 in the firsts. Big Cats won the seconds, thirds and fourths.
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Post by wyatt33 on Oct 23, 2016 20:10:26 GMT 10
Rebels tripped over the line vs Ormond at dandy....23-0! But what would I know....
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Post by perfeckt on Oct 23, 2016 20:26:50 GMT 10
VSBL Div1 Mens saw another clean sweep by Blackburn, this time over Chelt' Rustlers at the Farm. The Cheltenham club must have done some mighty fine work to have the diamond all set to go and their 1st's squad must also have done some mighty fine work to have kept the Burners win to 1-0. 1st's, 2nd's, 3rd's and 4th's = Grinners!  |
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Post by doubleplay on Oct 25, 2016 7:12:15 GMT 10
Just a small gripe, looking at the ladders in Div 1 and Div 2, how can the accuracy of the ladder be given if there are no points and just winning percentage dictates where you sit in the pecking order. It can't be that hard to issue 1 point for a draw and have all teams having played the same amount of games. Or is it that the Comp Mgment program doesn't have the capabilities to comprehend a wash out as such. Even in the AFL, A-League, even the Shield Cricket has points, but obviously BVSL must be so superior that points aren't required.
Just a small gripe from an old time points man.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 9:20:22 GMT 10
The current system is a point of contention, Boof (so to speak).
The BVSL winning percentage system I believe dates back some time to a season (or seasons) when there was an unbalanced number of washouts, with those games unable to be scheduled. If Team A, say, had five washouts, four of which were against weaker teams, then it could argue disadvantage compared with Team B that had, say, only two washouts against the strongest teams - games it was likely to lose.
Team A could argue that splitting the points for washout games that it was likely to win was not fair, while Team B would probably be delighted that it was handed points for games it was likely to lose. Season standings could thereby be decided on the basis of washouts - not (as should be the case) on sides winning more games than their opponents.
I personally like the winning percentage concept from that angle. It has been used successfully in the GBA, where the spread of teams from far and wide means that playing conditions can vary widely on any given day (as is the case in BVSL). Meaning in turn that some teams, or some grounds, might be more likely to be weather-affected.
However, and this is a significant proviso, if the system (or any other system) is going to be used then it simply HAS TO WORK.
I have not looked at any other clubs, but take this as an example of the system NOT working (I expect because of human error, not because of formulae involved):
In Division Two Firsts, Ballarat City currently sits fourth on the ladder. It is shown as having played four games, with two wins, a loss and a draw for a WP of 62.5.
In fact, Ballarat has had two washouts and has played three games for a win, a loss and a draw (which equates to a 50.00 WP and what should be an equal sixth placing assuming that all other entries are correct).
While I am sure Brewer supporters would happily take any such miscalculation in their favour, it simply reinforces my view that whatever system is used has to be perceived as being fair - and above all, it has to work.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 10:46:44 GMT 10
The above error has now been corrected.
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Post by doubleplay on Oct 25, 2016 13:01:06 GMT 10
Kinsley, while I am a fair minded person that sometimes has a reasonable thought, I still find this WP formula to be unfair. The less amount of games you play but win will always give you a better winning percentage as opposed to a team or teams that play more but have the same or even more amount of wins. That to me just makes the competition very unbalanced. Whereas allocating points for wash-outs or sun-outs it evens out the ladder in a fashion as all the games then add up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 14:00:08 GMT 10
And the greater number of games that you play and win will always create an advantage over a team that has three or four washouts/rainouts and has to split the points when it might conceivably have won all those games.
As I said, I personally do not mind the rationale behind the system, but I know that others have a quite different view.
Like a range of rules and regulations, this is another that should be under ongoing review. If a majority of clubs do not want the WP system in place (I have no idea if they do or not) then BV should change it for next season.
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