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Post by mc15 on Jan 16, 2013 13:38:08 GMT 10
Just out of curiosity, would the Aces, Heat, Bite brand names be copyrighted? If so, how much is BV paying the Melbourne Aces to use their moniker. The only reason I ask is that many years ago a southern team had to make a small alteration to their club emblem so that it was not the exact same as the original. Or is the Melbourne Aces footing the bill for the uniforms? Someone like Bobby might be more qualified to answer this, but my understanding would be that the ABL/ABF, thus Aces/BV are looking at their relationships as joint ventures. As much as it pains me not seeing the state teams in their traditional colours/uniforms, I do understand the big picture that you are ultimately trying to build a brand outside of the existing baseball community, and as such continuity within your pathway needs to be maintained to be consistent with your marketing strategy (whatever that may be). I would doubt that there would be a fee for BV to use the Aces brand and I hope that the partnership and strategy in regards to not just the state teams, but the holiday camps etc was intrinsically linked to allow for a seamless association between the Aces and BV. Someone closer to either organisation might want to correct any inaccurate assumptions I may have made as I'm just guessing
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Post by bobby on Jan 16, 2013 13:57:02 GMT 10
I think that would be correct MC, the funny thing is that BV made a big song and dance about the junior teams wearing Majestic uniforms but with the ABL switching to Russell this didnt occur, I went down to the nationals yesterday and the boys were wearing Russell jerseys so I think it would a license arrangement.
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Post by rhricho on Jan 16, 2013 14:10:20 GMT 10
Maybe its me, but ppl using this Big V ref is so far away from Baseball. The Big V was state of origin footy, anyway I kinda like the aces brand on the juniors just like the Heat do. Do they have an issue with their brand? Why are the vixens called what they are? why are the renegades, the heart, the storm called what they are?? Sorry a little bit over the top IMO.
why cant they be called the colts??? or soemthing like that??? their own name?? yeh your representing your state, we all know that so why aren't ppl worried about the aces being called THE BIG V
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Post by oldmanriver on Jan 17, 2013 7:50:03 GMT 10
rhricho, I think you maybe confused a little, all those team names you mentioned all have one word in front of the moniker and that is Melbourne not Victoria. For as long as interstate competition has been around it has been Victoria v whoever, in whatever sport you like, even the State tiddlywinks team is known as Victoria. Victorian Aces is fine, but emulating an ABL uniform just cheapens the interstate competition. Who are the kids representing, Victoria or the Aces. It definatelt ain't the Melbourne Aces.
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Post by bobby on Jan 17, 2013 11:23:02 GMT 10
OMR, I think if you asked all the kids playing at the nationals at the moment who they are playing for I bet they say Victoria, it doesn't matter if it says Aces on the front they are playing for Victoria.
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Post by matjaz27 on Jan 17, 2013 12:20:03 GMT 10
I was there the day the new Jerseys were handed out and believe me the boys were wrapped at the new look. Agree that the Big V is still an icon but it appears on the cap and the new tops look fantastic. You might see some photos of them on the ABF web page when we bring home the trophy/ ies..
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Post by rhricho on Jan 17, 2013 13:16:21 GMT 10
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Post by rhricho on Jan 17, 2013 13:20:57 GMT 10
further to this, back to my example - are the Perth Heat juniors called the WA HEAT?? capital but not the state reference there. When it is mentioned, VIC playing WA, everyone knows they are playing the HEAT boys!
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Post by theslammer on Jan 17, 2013 19:54:41 GMT 10
further to this, back to my example - are the Perth Heat juniors called the WA HEAT?? capital but not the state reference there. When it is mentioned, VIC playing WA, everyone knows they are playing the HEAT boys! When Trevor Shumm was the GM over in Perth. He proposed that we set up the organization like it was a MBL team. That way the team was promoted from U/14's up and the HEAT name was back in mindset of people. He proposed that the junior teams would be called Perth HEAT. However, that was voted down as people wanted to see the Swan on the caps and shirt. A compromise was made so the teams are now know as WA State HEAT. So you are representing the State and the HEAT organization. The juniors receive training from the HEAT coaches and players into the lead up to the Nationals. This also include winter training. I don't think anyone really cares now that it is WA State HEAT. You are representing the State.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 20:18:28 GMT 10
Thanks for clarifying that, Ron.
While there are obviously divergent views over here about the Baseball Victoria and Aces dual identification on the uniforms, I agree with matjaz27.
All of the kids and coaching staff present really well for Victoria. The uniforms are quite striking, with the combination of an Aces logo and the earlier-maligned BV logo and idenfication that looks fantastic on both outfits - especially the Blue.
I'm sure the teams have no doubt that they are playing for their state above all else.
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Post by rhricho on Jan 17, 2013 20:21:12 GMT 10
Clearly a well run organisation!! Hats off I say! I don't think many of the vic players would mind either at any level really! Kinda my point also!, I think there is way 2 much concerned with this BIG V view, but thats as i see it! If the aces have followed suit on this then I think it's a great move! Nice to be known as something!
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Post by Spice on Jan 25, 2013 12:29:19 GMT 10
Just out of curiosity, would the Aces, Heat, Bite brand names be copyrighted? If so, how much is BV paying the Melbourne Aces to use their moniker. The only reason I ask is that many years ago a southern team had to make a small alteration to their club emblem so that it was not the exact same as the original. Or is the Melbourne Aces footing the bill for the uniforms? Someone like Bobby might be more qualified to answer this, but my understanding would be that the ABL/ABF, thus Aces/BV are looking at their relationships as joint ventures. As much as it pains me not seeing the state teams in their traditional colours/uniforms, I do understand the big picture that you are ultimately trying to build a brand outside of the existing baseball community, and as such continuity within your pathway needs to be maintained to be consistent with your marketing strategy (whatever that may be). I would doubt that there would be a fee for BV to use the Aces brand and I hope that the partnership and strategy in regards to not just the state teams, but the holiday camps etc was intrinsically linked to allow for a seamless association between the Aces and BV. Someone closer to either organisation might want to correct any inaccurate assumptions I may have made as I'm just guessing Seamless association? Turn it up. Every P & S meeting i sit in the same question is asked. "What news is there from the Aces?" The same reply every month. "The Aces don't pass on any information as they are not affiliated with BV."
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Post by mc15 on Jan 25, 2013 13:13:09 GMT 10
Hence why I wrote "I hope"...
Affiliated maybe not... But in partnership, absolutly
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