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Post by How are ya on Oct 8, 2012 18:04:21 GMT 10
But I replied up a bit
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Post by greg on Oct 8, 2012 18:12:47 GMT 10
a bit off topic but closely related. player A gets cleared from club last week, happens to be facing old club on Sunday. first time up to bat, 1st pitch gets drilled in the batting box. next time to bat obtains a walk -1 pitch thrown over his head 3rd at bat guess what ?? HPB again ! no official action by the blue/s apart from warning the batting sides a/manager & pitcher not to retaliate. i thought this game required at least a little bit of intelligence, or was there instructions being followed. either the pitcher/s are total tools or its a sad reflection on the club in questions ethics let alone to say of the actions of both of the umps involved. and before Chardy jumps in i'm not saying that you cant own the inside of the plate but this instance was A bit bloody obvious even "Old Blind Freddy" could have seen it You forgot to mention the 4 steps towards the mound said batter made, which is ejectable. A pitch over his head in second at bat, yep on a 3-2 count, yep making a statement there... And hitting him in his last at bat, yep a lefty on the bump with 10 innings work in 3 years that is an outfielder drops a CURVEBALL on his leg and immediately put his hand up. Yep intentional. Brewster you are a dead set flog.
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Post by barb05 on Oct 9, 2012 10:46:41 GMT 10
Srp. Without knowing all the details, and to use a very generic example...
If a player is at club A and has had a significant amount of time and effort given to him/her over the years in the hope that they become the best player they can, and that club looks to them as a future leader... Player is getting to the age and maturity where the effort is starting to pay off... Then club B comes along and offers to line his wallet, whisper sweet nothings and makes big promises so the player thinks they're the ducks nuts and wants to go there... Should club A just let him walk off?
I think every club has the right to try to keep the player and try to convince them to stay. Even if the example is not the same...
Also, if the reason for leaving a club as written on the clearance form is not true, and can not be substantiated or supported, then any club has the right to reject a clearance...
Our leagues has a process in place for dealing with such instances.
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Post by sueridgpipe on Oct 9, 2012 11:44:48 GMT 10
Yes the league has processes barb i understand that but also understand this, coach of club a is happy for player to go yet that commitee holds things up? sounds like sour grapes to me. Secondly the reason on the form is spot on so no reason to up hold said player on that count, Thirdly club B are far from the ducks nuts that is a given so argue up all the points you like it just smacks of BOTTOM LIP SYNDROME to me!
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Post by barb05 on Oct 9, 2012 19:03:26 GMT 10
Sorry if you don't get some sort or whacky response from me, that was just a very generic example I was giving... As I said, I don't know specifics.
No sour grapes here, Tonight is beer and San-choy-bow night and the kids are in bed.
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Post by brewster on Oct 9, 2012 22:55:27 GMT 10
a dead set flog eh greggie
you fail to mention the reasoning behind the "4 steps" if the said pitcer didn't ping him in the first place there wouldn't be any need for the "4 steps" and in any case the "4 steps" by rights should have been more in the direction of the showers that the pitcher should have been given his marching orders to ! your defending the indefencable when even you admit that the later "over the head" pitch occured.
keep flogging son.
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Post by greg on Oct 10, 2012 9:55:09 GMT 10
a dead set flog eh greggie you fail to mention the reasoning behind the "4 steps" if the said pitcer didn't ping him in the first place there wouldn't be any need for the "4 steps" and in any case the "4 steps" by rights should have been more in the direction of the showers that the pitcher should have been given his marching orders to ! your defending the indefencable when even you admit that the later "over the head" pitch occured. keep flogging son. I'm tipping you don't understand sarcasm. Why the hell would any pitcher throw a 3-2 count over a batters head? The only reason would be trying to overthrow the pitch. When you understand the game of baseball get back to me.
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Post by wako on Oct 10, 2012 11:17:00 GMT 10
I think that any player who wishes to be cleared who is unencumbered by financial or other contractual obligation to the club they are leaving should be allowed to. We are amateurs and have freedom of association. While it is disappointing for clubs to invest time, effort and money into players with potential who later leave, this is the gamble that clubs must accept, just as players must accept that their investment of time, effort, money and performances may not necessarily be returned in the form of the opportunities they were hoping for. Refusing a clearance is unlikely to result in getting much useful effort out of the player in question, so clubs may as well let them go on good terms so that they might return one day.
An interesting anecdote: A player I know was refused a clearance back to his first summer club, so he made an arrangement with a third club, requested a clearance to the third club, which was approved, then immediately was cleared from the third club back to the club he wanted to return to in the first place.
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Post by larry42 on Oct 11, 2012 22:19:12 GMT 10
Noted that Kile Rogers now a member of the Port Melb Mariners
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Post by sueridgpipe on Oct 23, 2012 10:55:16 GMT 10
Also hearing a very tall halo wearer during winter who plays out east could be making a move to an inner city club within weeks!
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Post by allround on Oct 23, 2012 20:25:52 GMT 10
im pretty sure i know who your talking about sueridgpipe n he is sticking to the club he is at.
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Post by thepres on Oct 23, 2012 20:27:26 GMT 10
I'm liking what I'm hearing sue.....Do tell more.
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Post by thehotcorner on Nov 2, 2012 9:48:14 GMT 10
Decent pick up for Fitzroy with former Melbourne import and 2011/12 Division 1 Pitcher Of The Year, Adam Rowe set to make his debut for the club against Port Melbourne on Sunday.
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Post by farnt on Nov 2, 2012 11:22:55 GMT 10
Can he stay all season???
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Post by larry42 on Nov 2, 2012 11:29:48 GMT 10
Decent pick up for Fitzroy with former Melbourne import and 2011/12 Division 1 Pitcher Of The Year, Adam Rowe set to make his debut for the club against Port Melbourne on Sunday. Just when the Mariners were going for 3 in a row!! Tough one now for the boys....
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Post by sueridgpipe on Nov 2, 2012 12:40:54 GMT 10
We will be right larry we have clester............
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Post by sueridgpipe on Nov 2, 2012 12:43:48 GMT 10
Also known as THE MOP!
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Post by thehotcorner on Nov 2, 2012 12:50:19 GMT 10
Can he stay all season??? Yeah I'm pretty sure he won't need to leave early, he played the full season with Melbourne last year if I remember correctly so that shouldn't be an issue.
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Post by sueridgpipe on Nov 2, 2012 14:52:18 GMT 10
Ur probably hopeing he wont need to leave early sunday as well!
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Post by pirates on Nov 2, 2012 16:34:56 GMT 10
might be only on a tourist visa if that is the question. which mean 3 months ?
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Post by farnt on Nov 2, 2012 18:43:54 GMT 10
Thanks Pirates - probably a more direct question may have helped but I didn't know the regs.
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Post by izzygunna on Nov 7, 2012 12:19:54 GMT 10
Josh Spence has been claimed by the Yankees, let's hope he can have the success that Graeme LLoyd had with the Bronx Bombers.
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Post by 4crownies on Nov 16, 2012 19:47:05 GMT 10
OK, i'm not smart enough to start a new thread, so this 1 will do. Can members please tell me the process their club goes through in regards to issuing or rejecting clearances?
This is in order to help clubs who think that sending a letter of intent after lunch on a Friday, very shortly followed by a clearance form, and then followed by a phone call asking for it to be done immediately as said player has been named to play this weekend, can better understand that this is not the done way.
And yes, this is a rant
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Post by sueridgpipe on Nov 16, 2012 21:11:33 GMT 10
Christ thats forward. Bit like assuming one has a home run without getting to second base if u know what i mean! That club are kidding themselves
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Post by pirates on Nov 17, 2012 6:34:54 GMT 10
letter of intent I suppose at any time before the clearance request then the club that has been give that request has 14 days for the committee to hear the request and make call on it. Most times the coach or committee will ask to talk to the player if he is required and see what the reasons are for the player wanting to leave and then also make sure the player is financial. Normally in our case once we receive a letter of intent the president or the coach will speak to the player and see if its something that needs to be discussed.
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Post by dirtyword on Nov 17, 2012 9:09:13 GMT 10
Maybe they should of just listed the player under another persons name for this weekend? Would you be happy with the 4C's? That's not the done thing either, but it still happens, doesn't it?
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Post by wyatt33 on Nov 17, 2012 17:52:33 GMT 10
Personally I'd accidentally lose said clearence form, plead ignorance and then when said player appears in front of you, drop them!
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Post by willo on Nov 30, 2012 16:34:18 GMT 10
OK, i'm not smart enough to start a new thread, so this 1 will do. Can members please tell me the process their club goes through in regards to issuing or rejecting clearances? This is in order to help clubs who think that sending a letter of intent after lunch on a Friday, very shortly followed by a clearance form, and then followed by a phone call asking for it to be done immediately as said player has been named to play this weekend, can better understand that this is not the done way. And yes, this is a rant Dunno where your info is coming from 4C's but thats only a half truth. Noone ever stated the player in question was playing any games for us and hasnt thus far. Should we mention some clubs who stand on ceremony instead of getting things done? Yeah it was sent late The player in questions clearance was sent back almost 2 weeks later with the crap excuse you guys couldnt read it. When it was sent back I read it just fine. Could it be the fact you guys keep losing players to our club is the real reason behind the rant??
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Post by willo on Nov 30, 2012 16:35:58 GMT 10
Personally I'd accidentally lose said clearence form, plead ignorance As I said enough with the ceremony and get things done.
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Post by 4crownies on Nov 30, 2012 21:22:10 GMT 10
OK, i'm not smart enough to start a new thread, so this 1 will do. Can members please tell me the process their club goes through in regards to issuing or rejecting clearances? This is in order to help clubs who think that sending a letter of intent after lunch on a Friday, very shortly followed by a clearance form, and then followed by a phone call asking for it to be done immediately as said player has been named to play this weekend, can better understand that this is not the done way. And yes, this is a rant Dunno where your info is coming from 4C's but thats only a half truth. Noone ever stated the player in question was playing any games for us and hasnt thus far. Should we mention some clubs who stand on ceremony instead of getting things done? Yeah it was sent late The player in questions clearance was sent back almost 2 weeks later with the crap excuse you guys couldnt read it. When it was sent back I read it just fine. Could it be the fact you guys keep losing players to our club is the real reason behind the rant?? Mate you named the guy to play on your FB page, which you've now made a closed page. And i believe it was your wife who rang and asked for it to be done asap as he was required to play the next day. As for keep losing players, people pay to play this game, so where they play is completely their decision. We never hold anyone back, as long as they're financial (as you would know as you had to come and make your payment 3 days before the 1st round). We just ask you do it the right way. Oh, and if you're doing such a great job i shouldn't have to listen to all the crap about the way it's run up there. Have a great game on the weekend
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