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Post by Marshy on Aug 20, 2012 10:19:37 GMT 10
Anyone know what's going on with the results of the MWBL from B Res down?
Can't see anything on the website.
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Post by wyatt33 on Aug 20, 2012 11:38:52 GMT 10
Broohaha didn't raise that point eck! It was old mate knuckleball, and if you didn't realize, he is a sh1t stirrer delux! But he knows the inability of some folk on this forum to not quite get his sense of mischief. Case in point you being unable to have a little giggle and move onto the next topic. But as I've said before, it's your right to comment on this forum, and I respect that right! Good on you too! Now how about we discuss something else....like the possible unevenness of the competitions due to some clubs being able to play when others aren't? Or is it just a winter thing, and you just have to live with the outcomes? It's a bone of contention in summer, but maybe winters a little more laid back. I dunno!
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Post by bushman on Aug 20, 2012 12:28:58 GMT 10
Results from yesterdays Preliminary Final round in Bendigo.
In the A grade, The Strathfieldsaye Dodgers defeated Bendigo East 9-2. The Dodgers played some great defense behind both their pitchers, being able to scoop up ground balls as well as tracking down a number of deep fly balls. Their timely hitting was also very evident, hitting behind runners and playing the basics very well. Scott Wise started for Dodgers and went 5 or 6 giving up only 2 runs, which is a fantastic effort against East's lineup. Unfortunately for East they just could not get their hitting game going, as well as making some uncharacteristic mental mistakes. Joel Brownlee started for East, but as he has been battling arm trouble just could not hold Dodgers hitters. There was some dissent late in the game over a couple of calls at first base, but by the time those calls were made Dodgers had the game in their control.
Unfortunately for East this puts them out of the finals, with Dodgers going into next week's GF game 1 (best of 3 series) against Falcons.
In the other grades, Dodgers were also able to defeat East 19-13 in the B grade. At one point they were training 6-1 until they were able to send 19 guys to the plate in one inning.
In The C Grade, Dodgers were able to defeat Falcons 11-9 in the 2nd semi to go straight into the grand final. The Falcons will now face East in the preliminary final after East defeated Scots 18-2 in the 1st semi final.
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Post by oldmanriver on Aug 20, 2012 12:41:36 GMT 10
Wash outs or Rain outs are and will always be a bone of contention as if you go one way as te DBA did ealier this season and make a call to cancel the round or you can stick with the tried and true method of travel and wait for a decision. Unless there becomes a true wet weather committee that would actually do the job and have an announcement by no later than 10.00am on the playing morning, this debate of fairness will always be with us. Do we draw the line at 51% or do we go for a greater number, say 75% of games washed or rained out or ground unfit. This problem will never be resolved. But it does make a great talking point.
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Post by stockley on Aug 20, 2012 14:33:30 GMT 10
Cancelling an entire round will never be a fair solution.
What happens to the team that finishes 5th, by half a game, and has had their game washed out at ain't the bottom team although the could have played, but the round was washed out?
Have to play each game on its merits
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Post by wyatt33 on Aug 20, 2012 14:37:39 GMT 10
But at the end of the season, that team that finished 4th because they were lucky to have a ground that handled the wet better than the team that finished 5th, who missed 2 more games because their ground is unplayable during this weather. Is that as fair as playing games on merit? The funny thing about baseball, is its not actually a winter sport. Some just choose to play it during winter.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 15:07:27 GMT 10
The problem of bad weather and/or ground conditions affecting games and whether if is best/fairer to cancel entire rounds or just the games that are affected is a debate that can never be resolved to everybody's satisfaction. There are good arguments for both points of view.
My problem is this - how is it determined that a game cannot go ahead?
At the moment it is left purely to the umpire's discretion. Problem with this is that every umpire has a different opinion as to how bad conditions are and therefore whether they cancel the game or not. This can be especially true at games with local home team umpires.
Before people start rambling about 'duty of care' let me say this. I agree that umpires have a duty of care to ensure that players are not put at risk due to bad playing conditions. However 'duty of care' does not define what those conditions are or should be.
We need some way to quantify bad playing conditions, some way of measuring that can be used to assess conditions across the board.
For example: How heavy does it have to be raining before the game stops? I was watching a major league game the other day that was being played in heavy rain with the occasional flash of lightning, enough for the commentators to mention it.
How much surface water is allowable? Is it unplayable if you can see any surface water? Or does it have to be a certain depth or area (puddle)? Or maybe in certain areas of the field but not others?
How 'boggy' does the outfield need to be? If you sink into it up to your ankles then that's pretty boggy. What about halfway up your boot? Or just covering the sole of the boot? Is there a way of measuring 'bogginess'?
I'm sure there are plenty of other factors I have missed. And I'm also sure there are plenty of stories out there about games being played in some atrocious conditions.
All of the above is easier said than done of course.
Or maybe we just accept things as they are. If we're not prepared to do anything about it then maybe we should stop whinging and cop it, even if it means missing finals.
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Post by jc on Aug 20, 2012 15:32:27 GMT 10
The only way of getting around this that I can see is to get a grant from the government and build a dome over every ground. This would be a 2 way win as not only could we then play in all conditions, but it would cut down on balls going into the neighbours back yards forcing us to move.
I know that at Dingley, a few of us have been talking about this and the plans are already on the drawing table. As soon as one of us wins the mega lottery, it will go ahead. We do, however, have to get permission from the council as we don't want to upset the bandicoot population that supposedly lives in the scrub out the back.
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Post by eckersley43 on Aug 20, 2012 15:55:13 GMT 10
Congrats Open Eye. You have summed it up perfectly. There must be a way of getting some broad guidelines at least, especially as some factors do not relate directly to duty of care. P.S. Wyatt 33.. I "got" the humour..maybe you didn't get mine (table tennis comment) P.P.S. Thanks for the permission to think differently to you..didn't realise I needed it.
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Post by wyatt33 on Aug 20, 2012 17:23:10 GMT 10
I wasn't granting you permission to respond. I was just letting you know I respect your decision to respond. Good on you....again!
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Post by wyatt33 on Aug 20, 2012 17:30:06 GMT 10
Let's be honest. There's no way an even and fair season can be played out....unless the umpires have to spend at least one autumn carnival at Racing Victoria learning the ropes on track conditions ie dead track, heavy whatever terms they use. Then have a penetrometer in conjunction with the amount or precipitation up until game time. So maybe the umps also need to rope on Livonia Nixon as part of their training too!
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Post by The Jack on Aug 20, 2012 19:16:18 GMT 10
That has to be one of the funniest quotes for a long time, maybe we could set up a thread dedicated to the best forum quotes? I can't wait to get to my ground this week and 'measure the bog'
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 21:46:34 GMT 10
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Post by bigcountry45 on Aug 21, 2012 7:04:50 GMT 10
Did I hear right that the Ringwood junior competition entire first round of finals has been considered a washout (decision made Monday) and even for teams that managed to get a game in on Saturday the game is now to be recorded as rained out and the game has to be played again next week? Can't remember that ever happening before.
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Post by eckersley43 on Aug 21, 2012 17:38:46 GMT 10
Not sure if this answers your question big country 45, but the Ringwood Districts Under 15 semi final at Forest Hill had players, managers and umpire in attendance, and was called off with no realistic chance of play.(with all in agreement)
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Post by oldmanriver on Aug 22, 2012 7:24:59 GMT 10
Just a minor correction Wyatt33, Baseball was a winter sport long before it became a summer sport to try and tackle cricket head on. Tesy crickets use to play winter ball to keep trheireyes in focus. ie: the Chappell brothers, Bill Lawry, The Harvey Brothers, Doug Walters, Alan Border. The list is very long. It has only been a summer sport for about 30 odd years. Let's just blame the El Nino and Global Warming effect for the poor weather.
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Post by wyatt33 on Aug 22, 2012 8:25:04 GMT 10
Yes they've only been playing baseball in summer in the states for 30 years( and I can add its been a summer sport in Australia a lot longer than 30 years)! It's a summer sport! If people want to disagree with me, that's their prerogative. But it's been designed to be played in the warmer months on dry grounds. Ffs they don't play cricket in winter in Melbourne, because its just to ridiculous to contemplate. As I mentioned, of you read it properly, you choose to play in winter! It ain't a winter sport!!! Therefore the problems with weather are a foregone conclusion. If your prepared to live with these issues, then that's cool, just can't see the point of spending so much time bleating about ground conditions and the wet stuff that comes from clouds. Id like to add that I have been playing winter this year, and it's been fun!
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Post by The Puma on Aug 22, 2012 8:44:20 GMT 10
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Post by oldmanriver on Aug 22, 2012 9:12:02 GMT 10
Thanks Puma, I was going to mention the Winter Cricket league. Wyatt, perhaps you should research facts and not fiction. Just a side note, The Claxton Shield was always played in the Winter prior to the main season being transferred to Summer in the late seventies, that was when it was call the VBA. You must enlightened me and explain why it isn't a winter sport. Perhaps history is not your strong point, but baseball was actually played before the VFL in the forties and fifties at the MCG no less. At one stage, the DBA and VBA were opposition Associations as they were played at the same time in winter. Have a nice day.
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Post by gj on Aug 22, 2012 9:30:45 GMT 10
The issue here is that just because it was historically played in Australia as a winter sport (as other members have put to keep cricketers eyes in for summer), does not make it a winter sport. Look when it is played in the States.
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Post by 6for8 on Aug 22, 2012 10:37:23 GMT 10
Arguing that baseball is a winter sport is laughable. No-one can legitimately think baseball was a game designed to play in Winter. This is clear, due to three relating facts. 1. The first codified game was played in Hoboken, New Jersey. 2. It snows in New Jersey during winter. 3. Baseballers do not wear snow shoes.
Case closed.
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Post by The Puma on Aug 22, 2012 10:54:58 GMT 10
Arguing about something that happens in New Jersey whilst in Australia is laughable.
Case closed.
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Post by smallchange on Aug 22, 2012 10:56:43 GMT 10
i don't know - according to the "ever reliable" wikipedia, early forms of baseball originated in England. everyone knows it rains all year there
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Post by crogers20 on Aug 22, 2012 13:27:09 GMT 10
Anyone know what's going on with the results of the MWBL from B Res down? Can't see anything on the website. Turns out there is an rule in the MWBL match conditions that says that if only one game is played in a grade, then all games will instead be declared a washout.
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Post by wyatt33 on Aug 22, 2012 13:37:17 GMT 10
Early forms of basketball was played by the Aztecs as well, but it doesn't mean it wasnt invented there.
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Post by oldmanriver on Aug 22, 2012 13:55:28 GMT 10
That MWBL rule just smacks of pure ignorance. If one game is played and all other games are washed out then what happens if an injury occurs in that one game? Because of that rule, does that mean the injury never occurred since that whole round was declared a wash out? The way I see it actually working is that a truckload of phone calls would have to be made prior to game time to see if anybody is playing. That really is a joke. Does that mean the umpires must refund any money paid to them as the round has turned into a complete washout?
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Post by eckersley43 on Aug 22, 2012 23:14:40 GMT 10
Just checked the MWBL rule..no explanation given for what seems a bizarre ruling, particularly as it states "completed game" so you could have all games being played initially,and all but one washed out before a legal game was completed.If that sounds far fetched consider that Mitchell Majors could have completely different weather to suburban grounds. My guess is that the rule has never needed to be applied, so no club has challenged it, given that Match Conditions are put up for all clubs to consider.
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Post by wako on Aug 23, 2012 17:31:30 GMT 10
Does anyone know if the Bellarine v Saints (GBA) protest has been heard yet, and if so, what the result was?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2012 17:47:05 GMT 10
Bellarine won 5-4.
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Post by theeck on Aug 23, 2012 19:24:00 GMT 10
Officially the main season, which has always been over the winter since the late 1800's, changed to summer in 1976. However there had been a summer league since 1920.
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