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Post by fuzzy on Nov 5, 2011 18:40:01 GMT 10
Haven't posted for a while but thought I would like to pose the question on what I think is a tricky subject for managers, when to take a pitcher out, usually a pitcher who is ahead or even after 7 inning, do you just roll him out for the 8th or do you go to the bull-pen. I suspect most of you will say it depends on the pitcher etc, ect, ect. After watching upteen club, MLB, rep games etc , I think if a guy throws a strong 7 go to the bull-pen and take what comes. Interested in everyones thoughts
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Post by barb05 on Nov 5, 2011 19:15:59 GMT 10
In my opinion, get through the line up twice or 90 pitches... This depends on the stuff they have and how long they can normally go for.
Then make the call by the number of base runners against the number of outs, and how they are commanding the strike zone ( Hitting spots, getting ahead, etc)
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Post by frita on Nov 6, 2011 9:42:48 GMT 10
Depends who's paying ?
There are a lot of "what if's" with your question fuzzy but for what it's worth i believe in a bit of "gut feel" with this and who you do or don't have next !!
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Post by oldburger19 on Nov 6, 2011 11:01:38 GMT 10
Agreed Frita, gut feel is always a good indication of when to take a pitcher out. Also not listening to pitchers when they say they want 1 more hitter, nearly always comes back to bite you on the backside!
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Post by Chardy on Nov 6, 2011 15:36:17 GMT 10
Haven't posted for a while but thought I would like to pose the question on what I think is a tricky subject for managers, when to take a pitcher out, usually a pitcher who is ahead or even after 7 inning, do you just roll him out for the 8th or do you go to the bull-pen. I suspect most of you will say it depends on the pitcher etc, ect, ect. After watching upteen club, MLB, rep games etc , I think if a guy throws a strong 7 go to the bull-pen and take what comes. Interested in everyones thoughts So Roy Halliday or Cliff Lee gives you 7 strong, 85-90 pitches and you want to go to the bullpen and "take what comes"  |
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Post by skinny on Nov 8, 2011 7:36:07 GMT 10
Like Frita, gut feel...If a pitchers seems to be missing in one spot, usually mechanics. If he is all over the shop, tiring..also, you can never take a pitcher out to early....better early than to late...
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Post by stockley on Nov 8, 2011 9:10:45 GMT 10
Like Frita, gut feel...If a pitchers seems to be missing in one spot, usually mechanics. If he is all over the shop, tiring..also, you can never take a pitcher out to early....better early than to late... I disagree... you can definately take a pitcher out too early. If you've got a guy throwing strong, and you take him out, as others have said, for who knows what in the bullpen. |
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Post by wearnie52 on Nov 8, 2011 9:27:26 GMT 10
If you're gun has thrown 7 strong, i don't see any point in going to the bullpen, UNLESS you have another gun up your sleeve.
If your best thrower is killing it, he should be left out there. Agree with Frita on this one. Gut feel is a big one. But, i think majority of the time, it depends who you have to roll out next. Some managers don't have much choice, they have nothing to go to.
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Post by p26 on Nov 8, 2011 9:44:41 GMT 10
Too many factors for a hard and fast rule. Who have you got coming up in the lineup, who have you got getting loose in the pen, who are you playing tomorrow, when is your starter needed again, when are your guys in the pen needed again....the list goes on.
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Post by wyatt33 on Nov 8, 2011 13:01:41 GMT 10
Markus was just starting to get loose at 90 pitch's last year!
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Post by moose on Nov 8, 2011 14:02:53 GMT 10
In the ABL with the Aces about 6 inns or around 90 pitches was usualy the point that the pitcher was relieved. Not all but in most cases the pitcher left on after that died an agonising death and usualy was hooked.
But as was said here it does depend on the depth in the bull pen and the state of the game as well.
Neil W
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Post by tgonguy999 on Nov 8, 2011 15:10:52 GMT 10
I think you take your pitcher out when he's doneany of these
A) done his job
2) is done physically
C/3) is done mentally
Or
For) the game is done
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Post by barb05 on Nov 9, 2011 6:58:51 GMT 10
Is done mentally?
That rules out most of us in the first place!
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Post by Chardy on Nov 9, 2011 18:49:59 GMT 10
I've seen gamers who were done physically and still found ways to get hitters out.
There is no rule for this - its all based on the COACHES ability to know when to make the call.
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Post by elevatencelebrate on Nov 9, 2011 21:40:30 GMT 10
I've seen gamers who were done physically and still found ways to get hitters out. There is no rule for this - its all based on the COACHES ability to know when to make the call. This |
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Post by Chilli Wil on Nov 10, 2011 7:01:49 GMT 10
From all of the baseball I've been a part of and watched, most managers tend to take a pitcher out 1-2 batters too late.
Sometimes you see them leave a pitcher out there after being lucky to escape the previous innings unscathed, only to get lit up by the first 3-4 guys of the next innings. Go to the 'pen, the next bloke comes in with all manner of pressure, the other team has all the confidence, and then the game seems to slip away very very quickly.
One of the things I was most impressed about several years ago when Chelt were in Div 2 was their rotation of what was then a rather deep list. Blackley for 4, Gribben for 3 and Cunningham for 2 was what they rolled out against us. Pretty sure Blackley had given up ~ 2hits and maybe a pass or two, but they stuck to their system.
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Post by skinny on Nov 10, 2011 18:04:54 GMT 10
stockley, I think you mayy have misinterperated what i meant.By saying you can never take a pitcher out to early, I meant that when you see "the signs", then you can yank him..As chardy said, I have seen gamers wrecked after 6 or so, but stilll battle and work out ways to get hitters out....
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