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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2012 16:14:11 GMT 10
Australian baseball is poised to become the beneficiary of a new pitching programme devised by a group of experienced and long-standing professionals in the sport. Former MLB pitcher and pitching coach Rick Peterson (now with Baltimore Orioles) has joined forces with former Major Leaguers Tom Glavine and Al Leiter, along with top medical people in the sport to devise a programme that will reduce the chance of injury while improving mechanics and increasing velocity. The programme is called 3P Sports and can be checked out at this link: 3psports.com/3pn/The programme is now available online – to parents, players and other interested parties. It has already drawn attention and serious commendation from some of Australia’s leading baseball coaches, who have noted positive improvement in players using the programme. With some people in Australia already paying up to $ 50 per hour for pitching coaching by far less credentialled people than the group of professionals involved with 3P Sports, the programme is certainly worth looking at. For further information, see the 3P Sports flyer below. The Forum has no vested interest in promoting the 3P Sports Pitching Programme. I started this thread simply to get information out there for general interest of the Australian baseball community.  |
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Post by deebs on May 24, 2012 22:29:31 GMT 10
thanks KC i know glen fleisig well and he is the best in the game as is Rick peterson, i just hooked both my kids into it, it is top stuff
deebs
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Post by larry42 on May 25, 2012 10:33:39 GMT 10
thanks KC i know glen fleisig well and he is the best in the game as is Rick peterson, i just hooked both my kids into it, it is top stuff deebs Hey Deebs When you say that you hooked both your kids in to it, are you talking fully with biomechanical Analysis and the whole hog? I'm interested to hear your thoughts on age appropriate with kids on this type of program, plus the emergence or re emergence of long toss even within some of the major organisations. Thinking of my situation with working with little league kids, how much can they/should they throw during the week and what of long toss for this age group. Cheers Kane |
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Post by deebs on May 25, 2012 19:58:36 GMT 10
kane
it is a tough question, there is no doubt long toss builds arm strength, but does it affect young kids before their growth plates and ligament arent strong, thats why you hear all the time about little league elbow, it is so common in the states and now here in australia, without long toss arm strength cant be built, i would google glen Fleisig you should be able to find a lot about their research in young baseballers and over load
i joined both my kids up for this as they teach and talk about things we dont look at in australia, ie degree of your arm angle flexability of hips, on contact of foot hitting the ground the hips should be a minimium of 130 degrees this helps you work the lower half, we dont teach or work the lower half where all your power comes from and takes the strain off the arm.
look up fleisig you will get a lot of information about juniors throwing, he talks about not curve balls hurting your aem more of over use, this is why we want kids to take 4 months of per year from throwing, the over use is what hurts arms.
i like the idea of getting my kids videod sent to these experts and having them break it down and show us whet they need to work on
deebs
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Post by Chardy on May 27, 2012 13:09:22 GMT 10
Deebs - I would be interested to know if you have ever heard anything being connected to back/spine issues from pitching.
As a pitcher I was fortunate to never have to go under the knife for either elbow or shoulder surgery at any point but have recently just had a spinal fusion.
Long story short, I had always had back pain from pitching but it came from the lower back. Recently i was throwing a football up and down my driveway with a mate and it seems (or so the surgeon thinks so) that it was the straw that broke the camels back.
Prolapsed disc at T1/T2 impacting the spinal cord meant that within approx 4 weeks i had about 20% feeling from the bottom of my ribcage to my toes. Immediate surgery required and followed. Full fusion including titanium plate and 4 screws.
im about 9 weeks removed from surgery and walking again and also two days a week of clinical pilates to regain strength in the core and legs.
The question is - have you heard of any issues in your years of pro-ball of back injuries this high (T1/T2 is located at the top of the spine, bottom of the neck) obviously I know all about my close mates back issues and surgeries but his were all lower.
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Post by deebs on May 27, 2012 21:36:42 GMT 10
chardy first i have heard of that, i have 3 bulging dics and a heniated disc but nothing that bad, i know tim wakefield had back surgery for a herniated disc, but that wanted have been from throwing hard, havent heard of any back surgeries outside of that
deebs
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Post by Goblin on May 27, 2012 22:42:47 GMT 10
Deebs - I would be interested to know if you have ever heard anything being connected to back/spine issues from pitching. As a pitcher I was fortunate to never have to go under the knife for either elbow or shoulder surgery at any point but have recently just had a spinal fusion. Long story short, I had always had back pain from pitching but it came from the lower back. Recently i was throwing a football up and down my driveway with a mate and it seems (or so the surgeon thinks so) that it was the straw that broke the camels back. Prolapsed disc at T1/T2 impacting the spinal cord meant that within approx 4 weeks i had about 20% feeling from the bottom of my ribcage to my toes. Immediate surgery required and followed. Full fusion including titanium plate and 4 screws. im about 9 weeks removed from surgery and walking again and also two days a week of clinical pilates to regain strength in the core and legs. The question is - have you heard of any issues in your years of pro-ball of back injuries this high (T1/T2 is located at the top of the spine, bottom of the neck) obviously I know all about my close mates back issues and surgeries but his were all lower. Hi chardy, welcome to the titanium club. I have been a proud member for 12 years. (my problem not related to Baseball) Sorry to hear of your spinal problems. Best wishes for a return to full health. |
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Post by Chardy on May 28, 2012 18:08:24 GMT 10
Thanks Deebs, just thought id ask!
And thanks Goblin - onwards and upwards they say! Rehab is coming along ok, hardest part is not going out and smashing the rehab, i've never wanted to work so hard in all my life!
With the damage to the spinal cord, surgeon seems to think 12-18 months before full recovery. I just have to put up with these nerve type feelings for the time being and the occasional pain.
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Post by Chardy on May 28, 2012 18:10:19 GMT 10
back to the topic...
Deebs - when we were in under 14's, they used to ban curveballs at Nationals until under 16's - do they still do that here in Aus?
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Post by deebs on Jun 2, 2012 18:26:40 GMT 10
no they werent banned back then, we coukld throw curve balls all the way through juniora, now you cant throw them until under 16 , that is a probelm as our kids struggle with breaking balls at the plate because they have never learnt to hit them, but at the same time we need to protect arms, i believe kids should practise curve balls when playing catch to learn the correct spin and rotation
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