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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2012 9:22:55 GMT 10
Well it finals times in the 4 Divisions for us 'old' blokes.
In Div 2 Nth/West Newport beat Werribbee 3-1 last night to grab the 4th spot, Fitzroy beat GeelongB 2-1 to secure the top spot, and we got another walkover from Williamstown to keep the 3rd spot.
So next week it appears as though its Fitzroy Vs Newport and GeelongB versus us (Preston-Reservoir Buccaneers) in what should be a close and pretty interesting finals series I reckon !
Then there's the State Masters in Ballarat at the end of the month before tendonitis, arthritis, gout, and any array of ailments will shut half of us down for the Winter :-)
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Post by bulldurham on Mar 7, 2012 18:14:21 GMT 10
Interesting to see Springy finish on top in Divy 1 and yet have to play their HOME final at Altona.
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Post by rightie on Mar 7, 2012 18:43:47 GMT 10
Once again baseball Victoria defy logic and common sense to schedule finals contrary to there own rules And by the way besides having to pay citylink tolls,entrance fees,lose any home ground advantage,the chance to have many of our supporters come along,and miss out on a substantial take over the bar and meals we are informed that there will be no canteen facilities available at Altona on this night. Let's hope there is not a hint of showers also as any rain and Altona is generally unplayable
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Post by speedy on Mar 7, 2012 20:02:30 GMT 10
Once again baseball Victoria defy logic and common sense to schedule finals contrary to there own rules And by the way besides having to pay citylink tolls,entrance fees,lose any home ground advantage,the chance to have many of our supporters come along,and miss out on a substantial take over the bar and meals we are informed that there will be no canteen facilities available at Altona on this night. Let's hope there is not a hint of showers also as any rain and Altona is generally unplayable I don't blame clubs for arking up about this. Let us 1st remember, Monday is a PUBLIC HOLIDAY. I note that the Div 1 Blackburn game Vs Waverley (Blackburn was the higher finishing team as they finished 2nd and Wav 3rd) is actually been scheduled to be at Waverley @ 5pm. As well as Springy being forced to play at Altona, also the Div 2 North West teams Fitzroy (1) and Newport (4) are also having to as well. AND there will be no canteen facilities on the night available for any team or supporters............ give me a break.............
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Post by wearnie52 on Mar 7, 2012 20:09:28 GMT 10
Very disappointing for our boys who finished top of the table to be forced to play at Altona, forfeiting any advantage of finishing on top when Altona has been Geelong's home ground all season.
But most of all, our club misses any possible profits that would have been made through our canteen. Things like these are the reasons clubs stay afloat.
Springy's ground is available and free Monday night. So why is this game not being played there??
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2012 21:14:01 GMT 10
Add to this that we (Preston-Reservoir) Buccaneers (who finished 3rd in Div2) are now forced to travel to Geelong this Monday night for a supposed Geelong 'Home' game when Geelong played one game at Home/Geelong all season (Vs Werribee) and every other 'Home' game out at Altona. And each time we play Geelong in the Home and Away games it is ALWAYS at Altona whether it is their Home game or ours.
Its pretty bloody simple, Altona (which hopefully will have someone out there to open up) was Fitzroys Div2 home ground for most of the Masters year, and in finishing on top they quite rightly playing out there (Vs Newport).
Likewise Geelong (Div2) also used Altona as their home ground on almost every occasion this season and in finishing 2nd they too play there (Vs us).
That then means Geelong (Div1) then have to travel to Springvale (in line with BV very own guidelines) and if they are unhappy about that then they should be talking to BV (not all of us).
Mind you we were forced to go to Geelong to play the Grand Final last year in Div2 and didnt whinge, so why would it be any different for Geelong to have to go to Springvale this year ?
More can (and will) be said about all this by me but for now I am hoping sane minds prevail on this and it is rectified in the next 24 hours !
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Post by fm2 on Mar 7, 2012 21:20:06 GMT 10
This is typical Baseball Victoria bullsh!t. Can't even stick to their own guidelines.
We (Springy boys) spoke about this exact thing after Mondays game ... a few of the boys saying that BV would shaft us and shift the game to the White Elephant, how right they were. We would have been better off forfeiting the last couple of games!!
Venues for Play-offs Division 1 & 2 Semi Finals – Where possible highest placed team’s home ground if available after allocating higher grade games, in which case the opposing team’s field shall be used. If the opposing team’s is also occupied with a higher grade’s game, then the Summer League Committee shall allocate a field of its choice.
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Post by brucedicker on Mar 8, 2012 7:10:22 GMT 10
Blackburn gave up home ground advantage for its final against Waverley. With the clubhouse redevelopment going on it is difficult to provide a reasonable aftergame facility. For one team it will be the end of the season and it is only fair to be able to have a feed and a beer and a chat after the game. The 5 pm start is so fading light doesn't affect the game. A bit of common sense between two clubs got it done.
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Post by rightie on Mar 8, 2012 7:55:43 GMT 10
Enjoy your beer and barbecue after the game Bruce, we will be eating stale sandwiches and drinking our own beer in the car park at Altona Mandi may enjoy the night off but. I think we would much prefer the aftermatch activities at Springvale
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Post by theresonlyone on Mar 8, 2012 9:28:03 GMT 10
It was great for Masters this year that Geelong could come up to Division 1 and compete well. Nobody doubted they could and hopefully it allows room for another team in division 2 for them next year. To ease thier travelling load through the season, we agreed to play all games against them at Altona, they are a great bunch of guys, as all Masters players are, but even they would i'm pretty sure expect to play finals on a public holiday at the home ground of the team above them. Maybe hire a bus together and have a beer at Springvale after the game, as Bruce rightly says, a bit of common sense between the clubs will get this sorted fairly.
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Post by fuzzy on Mar 8, 2012 9:40:37 GMT 10
Speaking of common sense Bruce, Sandy and Croydon agreed to hold our semi on Tuesday night due to several unavailabilities from both clubs because of the Public holiday, request to BV sent over a week ago was answered this morning that if we play Tuesday it will be considered a forfeit. Thanks for the common sense.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 10:08:44 GMT 10
Speaking of common sense Bruce, Sandy and Croydon agreed to hold our semi on Tuesday night due to several unavailabilities from both clubs because of the Public holiday, request to BV sent over a week ago was answered this morning that if we play Tuesday it will be considered a forfeit. Thanks for the common sense. OK...so this is now bloody ridiculous...its simple, BV have the Masters ladders in one hand and their own guidelines in the other and then proceed to schedule as follows.... Spring at HOME Vs GeelongA in Div1. Fitzroy at HOME (which was Altona this season) Vs Newport in Div2 And GeelongB at HOME (which was ALTONA this season) Vs us (Pres-Res Buc's) in Div2. And given its a Public Holiday they then understand that IF teams can make alternate MUTUALLY AGREEABLE arrangements (like different ground/time, even day) then why would they say No ?? And a little respect/support for those of us trying to help grow the game along the way would be nice too !
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Post by needforspeed on Mar 8, 2012 10:46:26 GMT 10
It would be Hilarious, if it wasn't so ridiculous and contradictory. I bought up the Issue of the Public Holiday to them over a month ago, and was given lip service. Interesting to see Sandy and Croyden were given the same non-consideration. The players are expected to give up their Public Holiday - I can only assume that Baseball Victoria personnel will also be working that day. (Except obviously at the Stadium).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 11:00:16 GMT 10
Speaking of common sense Bruce, Sandy and Croydon agreed to hold our semi on Tuesday night due to several unavailabilities from both clubs because of the Public holiday, request to BV sent over a week ago was answered this morning that if we play Tuesday it will be considered a forfeit. Thanks for the common sense. In that case who would be giving the forfeit Fuzzy ? and is there a Club BV Fine for that ? I assume the higher team would then advance ? Funny thing is that in the past we have played Monday Night Masters on Tuesdays nights (inc Finals) as scheduled by BV
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Post by fuzzy on Mar 8, 2012 11:42:11 GMT 10
My guess is that BV would consider that both clubs had forfeited for not playing on Monday night therfore the winner of Melb B and UFG semi would be premiers, again only my guess.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 15:09:29 GMT 10
This is typical Baseball Victoria bullsh!t. Can't even stick to their own guidelines. We (Springy boys) spoke about this exact thing after Mondays game ... a few of the boys saying that BV would shaft us and shift the game to the White Elephant, how right they were. We would have been better off forfeiting the last couple of games!! Venues for Play-offs Division 1 & 2 Semi Finals – Where possible highest placed team’s home ground if available after allocating higher grade games, in which case the opposing team’s field shall be used. If the opposing team’s is also occupied with a higher grade’s game, then the Summer League Committee shall allocate a field of its choice. Completely agree, how is it at all possible that the clearly defined and recently distributed Baseball Victoria 'Masters Play-Off Conditions' is completely ignored BY THEM in making the top side in Div1 (Springvale) travel (a very long way) to Altona i.e. Geelongs (the 4th placed side) HOME GROUND (Yes 'HOME GROUND', because Geelong played EVERY SINGLE GAME THIS YEAR AT ALTONA !!!!).
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Post by rightie on Mar 8, 2012 16:00:56 GMT 10
Not sure how far it is from Geelong to Altona but I do know that many of the Springy boys live at Pakenham 82km,MtMartha 92 km,Berwick 66km plus tolls explanation from baseball Victoria was very thin and didn't make any sense Authentic how far from Preston to Geelong hope you make it back for work the next day
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 16:35:25 GMT 10
Not sure how far it is from Geelong to Altona but I do know that many of the Springy boys live at Pakenham 82km,MtMartha 92 km,Berwick 66km plus tolls explanation from baseball Victoria was very thin and didn't make any sense Authentic how far from Preston to Geelong hope you make it back for work the next day 95ks mate but not a bad drive, but half of us will have our young kids with us possibly given that its a public holiday, and they will get home about 11pm with school the next day so thats not ideal. To be honest I am less fussed about the bull$hit rationale provided to us by BV to go to Geelong, I'm more concerned by the arrogant inaccurate and offensive dialogue that followed upon raising the issue with her/them. For me Springy are the team most ripped-off here (which in turn stitched us up of course as we should be playing at Altona which WAS GEELONG's HOME GROUND this season) !
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Post by theresonlyone on Mar 8, 2012 17:09:44 GMT 10
Once again we find ourselves battling Baseball Victoria for what appears to be a contradiction to thier own rules and regulations. It makes no sense to any of us, yet the powers that be continue to hold thier ground this late in the day and make no changes. As authentic states, this is very arrogant on both Brett and Christines behalf. A better explanation must be forthcoming as I don't see how this could be an exhausting process to schedule. I'd like to hear Geelong's point of view on this topic in case there is something we are missing or is not being explained. The rules clearly state higher finishing team gets home ground advantage. On a public holiday in Springvale, that means money in the clubs bank and an afternoons entertainment for many. We missed the finals series last year on a technicality and took it on the chin from Baseball Vic. We are giving it back this year and will push for the Springvale / Geelong final to be played in Springvale. I look forward to welcoming the Geelong Boys, Brett and Christine to the Ken Wearne Field.
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Post by Buzz on Mar 8, 2012 18:09:28 GMT 10
Well,that's F/KED ME THEN. I took a job on for Monday (PUBLIC HOLIDAY) on the knowledge that I'd be playing at home at Springvale. Now,how on earth am I going to be able to make it to Altona when I finish at 5:45 dromana. Not the 1st time I've been screwed over by BV, tipping its not the last. I'll be drinking alone at springy I guess,unless common sense prevails over some people's pride.
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Post by farnt on Mar 8, 2012 19:01:05 GMT 10
Does BV have a deal/agreement/contract to have Altona in action every Monday?. I don't enjoy traveling to Altona from the leafy Eastern suburbs to play there twice a season however I'd rather have Geelong in the old mans comp than not. These guys still travel 40k's each way weekly to play regular season at Altona HOWEVER, I do agree all bets/favors OFF for finals
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Post by mandi on Mar 8, 2012 21:30:24 GMT 10
Whilst i am disappointed that the springy masters will not be able to play at home and have been shafted to altona, i will be wherever the boys are playing, i have no doubt that although there will be no canteen open there will be someone to collect the entrance fee....
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Post by farnt on Mar 8, 2012 21:55:39 GMT 10
Touche
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Post by Buzz on Mar 9, 2012 8:14:46 GMT 10
Now,on a personal note, a big thankyou for ruining a night on which my 5year old little man and my soon to be 2year old little girl could have watched their dad play baseball.im happy to play the final at altona,but expect my wrath when you see me if you A:don't correct the injustice B:do not make a personal effort to contact & apologize to my family.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2012 8:32:35 GMT 10
I reckon BV have until about lunchtime today to sort this out, thereafter its time to tell it how it is.
PS: As stated earlier our guys arent thrilled, but not overly dissappointed at going to Geelong to play even though it is not their home ground for the purposes of Masters (full stop) because we finished 3rd. And (along with our ground at Latrobe) it is a great ground to play on pending any sun-glare issues at the time of day we play).
But BV's decision to make up reasons for bad decisions and completely contradict itself is one thing, but when they are asked to justify their logic (and the clear ignorance of their own distributed rules) they shut the conversation down/off which is just despicable/discourteous conduct for those of us trying to help them grow the game in this State.
Its happened before to us (three times now) and (cleary) Ive had enough.
And if I'm Springvale and playing for top spot in the last few weeks of the season and a home semi (inc Canteen revenue) in line with BVs own rules and guidlines (as presented to all of us at that time) and BV did what they are doing, Id be absolutely pi$$ed.
Add the apparent Sandy Vs Croydon 'mutual agreement' semi change to the next night that BV wont allow (Why ?) and this is all a joke.
Someone has to take a stand, no doubt it can be a tough job in there at times but this just isnt good enough.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2012 14:59:41 GMT 10
Interesting development....I am now told that in regard to the Division 1 Masters game Springvale (top) Vs GeelongA (4th) this Monday night that....
"...this game was not possible to be played at Springvale..."
This surprised me.....any truth in that at all SpringvaleBC Forum members ?
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Post by wearnie52 on Mar 9, 2012 15:31:08 GMT 10
Interesting development? There has been no development authentic. BV yet to respond to any correspondence from our club.
Springvale Baseball Club is available. The only reason the game 'is not possible' at our ground is because BV refuse to play it there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2012 15:54:41 GMT 10
Well that's not what Christine/BV are telling me this afternoon in regard to my formal complaint re your issue (and ours) !
PM me if you want - I dont have anything to lose (I think) as clearly my approaches to BV resulted AGAIN in a pretty unsatisfactory outcome in regard to both of our issues, and this all means I wont be putting my hand up again any time soon to help develop this sport if it involves liasing with BV (based on my experiences of the past 14 months with Masters and Senior Sunday teams) !
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Post by rightie on Mar 9, 2012 16:03:14 GMT 10
authentic i can 100% guarentee Springvales ground is available Monday night, not only available but in pristine condition. not only has Baseball Victoria lost what little credibility it had left but it now appears it has resorted to telling blatant lies in some sad attempt to justify this disgraceful decision if this is proved correct i believe our baseball competition administrator at the very least owes the people involved an apology if not her resignation
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2012 19:51:33 GMT 10
Fellow old fellows in baseball. I understand the frustration over some of these issues but have been reluctant to say anything since I do not have full knowledge of the circumstances and the reasoning behind particular decisions being taken. However, we are reaching a point where Forum comments are becoming far too personal. Take it from me as one who copped some persistent Twitter and Facebook crap for weeks late last year, it is no fun to have one’s reputation, credibility and honesty attacked in a sustained and public way. Allegations of an individual being dishonest and telling lies can be particularly d**ning at any time – but especially when posted online for the world to see. It is clear that phoned or emailed objections have been forwarded to Baseball Victoria on the matter of Masters finals scheduling. Maybe those objections have merit. I don’t know, because I am not aware of the circumstances other than what I have read here, though I do agree that if two clubs make a workable agreement – like Sandy and Croydon did – then that should be respected. Just a couple of observations that I believe should be made. I’m sure I’ll be corrected (aka smacked around the ears) if I am mistaken. The Competitions Manager is accountable to the Summer League Committee. That to me suggests that no one person is - or should be - solely responsible for decisions made. It is therefore pretty harsh to be loading all of this on one person, especially at the most hectic time of the season when there is so much happening at all levels in the sport. I’m not venturing into the rest of the minefield, but is it not true that Springvale and Geelong played both of their home and away games at Altona this season (because of the travelling factor)? If so, Altona has effectively been home ground for both clubs when they have drawn against each other. Geelong was not required to travel to Springvale and Springy was not required to head down there, both for commonsense travelling reasons. It seems a bit rich to now insist that Geelong should travel to Springvale for the final, although I’d be interested in what Geelong has to say about that. They might have been happy to make the trek out east on a public holiday. Yes, it is unfortunate and it is not good enough that there will be no catering at Altona for Monday night games. Still, rightie’s stale sandwiches and warm beer in the carpark might be a better option than being ripped off by stadium catering. Playing at Springvale would have great for the club and for the supporters, no doubt about that, but common sense says that the game should be played at a "compromise" venue because of the travelling involved. Perhaps, for next season, BV should further clarify what is meant by the "where possible" clause for finals scheduling. On Blackburn and Waverley, I’m guessing that the game is being played at Waverley because of work going on at Billabong Park. I’ve just checked the Summer League website and I see no changes to the semi-finals venues. With a long weekend coming up, that suggests that nothing is likely to be changed now - however people might feel. Best wishes to all teams playing in Masters finals. And no injuries, you hear (other than self-inflicted). Stay fit for Ballarat.
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