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Post by stockley on Jul 27, 2011 21:38:46 GMT 10
masters, maybe you should read above the last post? The rule has been posted, the pres has explained the adoption, what more are you after?
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Post by masters on Jul 27, 2011 21:57:48 GMT 10
how it reads the catcher is exempt from this rule
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Post by stockley on Jul 27, 2011 22:24:36 GMT 10
Unless the catcher happens to be a coach.
Also, I happened to be speaking to one of the vice presidents tonight, and they mentioned that there was clarification in the minutes for one of the delegates meetings - and I'm paraphrasing what I was told (as I haven't seen them), say that the umpire has the discretion to count any player going to the mound, if he feels its for coaching purposes.
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Post by pirates on Jul 28, 2011 10:06:48 GMT 10
and therein lies the problem, interpretation that’s when the rules get screwed up. Why create grey areas where everyone gets confused. I brought this up because I saw the situation unfold and after the forced change, in-between innings the umpire was explaining the rule to the catcher, followed up with, you can go out there for a short visit with the pitcher but if you stay to long then it’s counted as a coaching visit, so what is too long. By the way the catcher was not a coach or manager. If this interpretation of the rule is correct then it’s ridiculous, if it was created to stop time wasting surly the umpire can enforce the players/coaches to move along then followed up with yellow cards. If a coach wanted to waste time he would make a pitching change anyway. This sort of thing puts more pressure on the umpires
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Post by MWBL PRES on Jul 28, 2011 11:26:20 GMT 10
Pirate, you are correct as far as interpretation is concerned. The problem is that the umpire in local baseball faces a situation whereby we have game day managers inconjunction with playing managers and teams who, to get around the zero tolerance rule, name people on the line up sheet as a managers who are obviously not. In these cases, if a manager is named, the umpire is well within his rights to treat any person not listed as a manager as a player and therefore not deal with them....yellow card them or eject them if the case so warrants. This will then open up another debate we will have to address. The umpire needs to make a call as to what he believes constitutes a 'general pat on the bum' visit by someone not listed as the manager, and a coaching visit. In his opinion, if the discussion is along the lines of a coaching visit then the call is made. I am sure we would all be happy with clarity of a manager being named and from then on, this is the only person that is conducting coaching visits - but it is not the case in many instances. Umpiring is subjective and judgemental in most cases, from balls and strikes, outs and safes...and the interpretation of rules such as this. My suggestion to all team managers, make sure that your players are aware that if they want to coach the pitcher during a game they may find this called as a visit - leave the job to the manager named and there will be very little issues. And, if a catcher wants to talk to the pitcher, just make the umpire aware it's to settle him down and don't hang around out there. In between innings is a more appropriate time to talk.
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Post by behindthedish on Jul 28, 2011 12:11:57 GMT 10
On the money Pres. I saw an A Grade game recently, where the catcher (not a manager), went out to "calm down" his pitcher 4 times in the first 2 innings. Needless to say, the opposing coach made the umpire aware of this and the game continued without further visits after a warning from the umpire. You could say this may be a ploy to waste time in a time game, where teams may not have their normal pitching depth available due to injury or unavailability, you would hope not. Eitehr way, it needs to be policed and the umpire is in his/her right to make the judgement of infringement.
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Post by dave2121 on Aug 1, 2011 7:56:41 GMT 10
Round 14 Research had a fantastic weekend as a club with all Junior and All senior teams winning which is a fantastic effort well done to the committee and to all involved!
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