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Post by Spice on Jul 3, 2011 17:49:58 GMT 10
WTF is going on with the DBA impires?
I've heard rumours of resignations, sackings, retirements, digital penetration and all types of things.
What is the truth? What is being done or going to be done about fixing the problem?
According to facebook (and we all know if it's on facebook it must be true) there was an A1 game this weekend umpired by club members. Please tell me that this isn't true?!?!?!?!
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Post by The Puma on Jul 3, 2011 19:40:55 GMT 10
Story going around yesterday was that 4 or 5 had quit, including the boss. Something to do with senior dba? Just what I heard.
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Post by Ace on Jul 3, 2011 20:46:34 GMT 10
Disappointing to see the DBA is also struggling with umpire numbers, too.
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Post by pitcher43 on Jul 3, 2011 23:31:37 GMT 10
A1 Mornington v Cheltenham only had the 1 umpire, did the main job fir both games with clubmen doing the bases
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Post by rebelwithoutaclue on Jul 4, 2011 8:34:17 GMT 10
A1 Mornington v Cheltenham only had the 1 umpire, did the main job fir both games with clubmen doing the bases Same for the Dandy V Bonny A1/A2 games |
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Post by slypig on Jul 4, 2011 12:42:18 GMT 10
This is a joke if it is over senior Dba. Ian Gavin did what he did and I have no idea what he copped for it. But it wasn't an umpiring issue at all. What does this have to do with the rest of them Umps? NoTHING! Was a personal dispute not even about baseball!!! Come on
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Post by barb05 on Jul 4, 2011 13:11:19 GMT 10
Getting on here and blasting out a big "WTF" might not get any type of response from the umpires spice.
Without knowing too much about the issues after the winter championships, I think it's safe to say it is a very delicate matter with no easy outcome.
If there has been a reaction leading to reduced umpire numbers then I think people need to stop saying "nothings wrong" and start saying "how can we fix it".
Regardless of individual actions, reactions, innocence, guilt etc, the Dba team has a reputation which does not reflect well on the league or players that are associated with it. Don't just put it down to "tradition" because since I was in the DBA 15 years ago the tradition seems to be that some sort of trouble follows that team more than others.
Put it down to this, you get dragged through the mud, you're going to pick up some dirt.
There are people who won't like me saying this, but I'm just telling it like it is.
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Post by rhricho on Jul 4, 2011 16:34:01 GMT 10
Barb I know your trying to get some to stop just saying WTF here, and your trying for them to get some perspective and to think a little more How 'TF'
however I think on an opinionated forum and with this particular issue - anyone has the right to ask simply what the F happened.
Putting the DBA carnival to one side for a moment, what happened to - If you put your hand up for a job, follow it through to at least the seasons end - not stop if things get too hard??
This sat gone - this situation cause a middle aged man to umpire two senior games in a row (@ dande) with 15 mins rest between games, squatting up and down for 4-5 hours all day in a cold wind.
He could've, done his back or something else, made some bad calls due to fatigue resulting in a game changing result (with two teams doing whatever they can to survive in this yrs comp)and so on and so on.
He did an outstanding job and should've collected the total $160 by himself for being the controller of our game.
Ok the DBA team has not made the league look great, nor has this situation AT ALL.
I hate any DBA bashing as I have played in it since I was 8 yrs old and I will always protect it.
Do not forget one thing either - you were thrown out of a game for no real reason and your situation had no agression what so ever. This same umpire then went on a trip and tried to punch the head coach!
I have said it b4 on here already and I have found this yrs winter very close indeed with nearly every team having the potential to knock of each other! It is great to be around and play amongst a pretty tight association where players all seem to get along and know each other well!
So yes - I would like to know WTF happened also and why I now need to ask some club members to help with our weekly games umpiring.
While on my high horse - for the record - ROBO I didn't put in for the DBA coaching gig so you can stop going around telling others I did.
Lastly, In club baseball I will never spray an umpire with my agreesion over a bad call. I play baseball for fun on the weekends and that is it I am not at work and I am not doing something crap like shopping or whatever!! haha-
Umpires are human as am I. We all make mistakes so take some time before letting you mouth go and then simply approach with respect and you may get the same in return.
May this be resolved ASAP and the DBA return to normal - bein a fun, not to far to travel saturday baseball playing association during winter!!
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Post by barb05 on Jul 4, 2011 21:38:42 GMT 10
Geez, I'm glad I play on the same team as you, otherwise I might get a real spray. :mad:   From what I've heard (and that is not much so I'm not drawing any conclusions - just dropping my opinion) is that the situation needs to be addressed very carefully by the league as it involves a coach and an umpire, and general concensus is that both coaches and umpires are in a position of authority and need to conduct themselves that way on and off the field. What I will suggest, is that you might find that the umpiring group as a whole actually have a pretty good understanding of what happenned during the incident. I don't think it's right to suggest on here that the incident has anything to do with the number of umpires doing the rounds on the weekend, unless someone definitely knows the facts, or the umpires who were away are willing to comment themselves... I doubt that would happen, so I think it's a bit rich to call them quitters. On the weekend our team had one missing through injury and two unavailable (as happens) and I know no-one would have a go at those guys... an unfortunate coincidence that we were short... surely the same can happen in the umpire ranks. As I said, if you get dragged through the mud, you're going to pick up some dirt and it seems everytime there's an incident on these tournaments that the DBA name pops up. Richo, you've been on the receiving end of this sort of thing as well and along the line either someone within the DBA needs to say "enough is enough" or the carnival organisers will beat the DBA to it - and that would be bad for baseball. |
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Post by fm2 on Jul 4, 2011 21:57:39 GMT 10
Maybe the umps were away at the Under 14 or Under 18 carnivals .... maybe?
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Post by berwickboy on Jul 5, 2011 5:52:09 GMT 10
I dunno about the U14's but there wasn't a DBA umpire at the U18's. (Well there was an umpire there who has previously umpired in the DBA, but apparently he is not part of our association anymore??) So that leaves the DBA with a $250 fine
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Post by stuartcapel on Jul 5, 2011 8:22:37 GMT 10
My understanding of the entire matter is that this goes somewhat deeper than an incident at a winter carnival and that unfortunately there's politics at play here - and plenty of it.
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Post by homer29 on Jul 5, 2011 13:03:01 GMT 10
Not the first time there has been trouble in the DBA with umpires. Can recall 4-5 seasons ago( approx) umpiring an A grade game behind the plate during an umpires strike.
Hopefully whatever the issue is can be sorted soon so some normality is returned.
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Post by stuartcapel on Jul 5, 2011 13:32:21 GMT 10
Not the first time there has been trouble in the DBA with umpires. Can recall 4-5 seasons ago( approx) umpiring an A grade game behind the plate during an umpires strike. Hopefully whatever the issue is can be sorted soon so some normality is returned. Thank god the sun wasn't directly behind you then - game could have been called for darkness!! |
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Post by Buzz on Jul 5, 2011 19:21:56 GMT 10
Unfortunately this has nothing to do with the winter dba carnival,but,alas,this is a forum and people will put their perspective entries in just to have a dip at what the perceive to be some truth.Most of the fracass is a result of some umpires who find it ,let's just say,degrading that they do not get any A grade games and voice their opinions on the matter a little to demanding.Tough job to allocate games as you will never make everybody happy,WOW! sounds like an umpires decision,haha. Regardless of this,don't think that an incident at the winter championships would have our umpires acting like sheep and jumping off a cliff for something they know nothing about.We have some of the best umpires in the Baseball league,they are a dedicated group that give up their time on the weekends so that we might have someone to blame for our mistakes on field,(If any). So give them some credit, the issue is more of a (I'm better than this division thing.And let's be honest,they are capable of umpiring all grades,infact so am I,but that doesn't mean I can take into account all the aspects of a judgment call or determine properly balls and strikes,or tollerate abuse.It's alot easier to umpire when you're not accredited.Give them some credit,they deserve it,there not lemmings.
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Post by thehat on Jul 5, 2011 22:45:07 GMT 10
Will there even be a DBA in 1-2 years? Some worrying signs are popping up.
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Post by pakkyp on Jul 6, 2011 8:04:17 GMT 10
Plenty of teams within the lower grades, really just need an extra few Quality a1 teams. Plenty of junior teams.
Think the DBA will survive just fine...
On a different note, the DBA U14s team were told they were one of the best behaved baseball teams at the hotel/caravan park they stayed at...
Funny how even 12-13yos know that you don't 'sh!t where you eat'...
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Post by The Puma on Jul 6, 2011 9:39:35 GMT 10
Hey Buzz, without any proof or facts your version of events holds no more weight than any other. The umpires that I had heard had quit were Gooding, Glover, Shteinberg and Mclean. Gooding hasn't done a b grade game all year and Shteinberg and Mclean have done 1 each and to be honest I think the umpires deserve alot more credit than that. If they are not the names then I apologize. In any case the word was there was a meeting Monday to sort it. Somebody must know what went on. Just our luck too, first umpire in over 12 months at Pakky then they all quit. It's not that far.  |
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Post by ant on Jul 8, 2011 10:17:19 GMT 10
What about the problem of not having enough umpires in general? Having played/managed in the 3rd's for many years (aside from this year) my biggest problem was finding knowledgable people to umpire our home games. Having an offical umpire at all was like Christmas! Perhaps we need to look ourselves as players for reasons why we don't have enough. Let's be honest, the amount of crap/abuse they cop from us collectively, who'd want to umpire really?
My brother in law played pretty top cricket and told me that if a player even disputes/bad mouths an umpire then they get reported and can be given weeks (not just one or two!) on the sidelines. Perhaps we need to be proactive rather than reactive. Yes they make mistakes, but who's never made an error on the field, or gone a donut in the batting box.
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