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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 6:57:23 GMT 10
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Post by 4crownies on Dec 18, 2015 11:19:00 GMT 10
Horse racing is called of yet Humans have to show up to undure the heat.
Playing or not, sitting around waiting is just as infuriating.
Just call Saturday off now, for Chri$ts sake
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Post by doubleplay on Dec 18, 2015 11:29:03 GMT 10
Come on Kev, you know the HP. It is taken from various locations and generally in the coldroom and never in the direct sun from the mound.
The HP is the biggest rort since the player insurance rort. Besides, you are expecting a decision of propriety. It will never happen as it would make the round uneven unless they pushed the games back to a Sunday and that won't happen. Don't forget the 50+ sunscreen. Slip Slop Splash.
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Post by pirates on Dec 18, 2015 11:31:03 GMT 10
Should Saturday games should be rescheduled for Sunday
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Post by 4crownies on Dec 18, 2015 11:42:45 GMT 10
Lets see who takes propriety when a player or umpire dies
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 11:46:07 GMT 10
Although I haven't looked fully at the draw, it is probably not possible to move all of the Saturday games to Sunday because of grounds situation.
There are two Division One games (firsts and seconds), two Division Two games (first and seconds) and women's games scheduled for Saturday. There are probably others in lower grades.
Here is an idea (though it may be getting too late to act upon it). For the games that can be rescheduled for Sunday, ask the clubs, who can ask the teams if they are willing and able. If they are, then reschedule. If they are not (or if one team is not), just abandon those games with no penalty on any club. For the games that cannot be rescheduled without disrupting the existing draw, abandon them early.
There are other issues, of course - like appointment of umpires, canteen catering and the like. But as 4crownies says, no-one wants to be sitting around like a stale bottle in 41C when they could be doing something else, like necking a cold Budweiser or three.
And we need to spare a thought especially for clubs that have to travel distances on Saturday - EG Ballarat to Berwick, Geelong to Cheltenham - and may not get their games in anyhow.
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Post by wearnie52 on Dec 18, 2015 13:44:02 GMT 10
It does seem a little strange doesn't it.
I can understand if the forecast is for mid-high 30's with an expected cold change. But that is not the case. It is forecast for 40+, and if tomorrow is anything like the last two days, we are in for a very hot one.
Seems logical to call all Saturday games off now to save the pain.
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Post by wearnie52 on Dec 18, 2015 13:45:16 GMT 10
Though in positive news Kev, I do owe you 8 more beers...so make sure you have a driver :-)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 16:57:02 GMT 10
Horse racing is called off, bowls called off, various cricket associations and other sports called off because of extreme weather conditions and fire danger, not just in the regions but also close to the city.
But - despite forecast Saturday temperatures across Melbourne in excess of 40C (according to the BOM website as at 4.30 PM on Friday) - BV wants to wait until Saturday so that it can place the decision-making in the hands of clubs and umpires!
Now there is leadership, pro-activeness and displayed duty of care! Right there.
The memorandum issued to clubs (late Friday) stating that temperatures have been revised down for Saturday is simply not true.
BOM still predicts 40-41C right across Melbourne, with a couple of stations maybe down to 36C. Now while BOM could well be wrong, it is the expert advice that has obviously been taken on board by other sporting bodies.
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Post by doubleplay on Dec 18, 2015 17:32:42 GMT 10
Don't worry Kingsley, I am associated with the MPCA whom have taken the stance due to no heat policy being in place, turn up and wither away, but the umpires do have the right to suspend play until it cools down. BV and the MPCA must be run by the same dills.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 17:56:59 GMT 10
Don't get me wrong here, Boof. If I was still playing the game, I would play. Jeez, only 41C...who gives a toss? The beer always went down great afterwards.
But I am a dinosaur from an era when we played anywhere, against anyone, in any conditions. We didn't know any better, and didn't care about such refinements as shelter, sunscreen and all the rest of it (like hydration, which was something we reckoned you did by getting pissed after a game). Now, there is a Heat Policy, which is based on eminently sensible considerations. But if there is going to be a policy - on this or any other matter (including Social Media) - it has to be applied and it has to be shown to be enforced.
Otherwise it is a waste of time and a waste of breath.
As it stands, Baseball Victoria is empowered under the Heat Policy to cancel some or all games in advance at its discretion after getting guidance from appropriate authorities (such as BOM, in this case).
Rescheduling of games is a challenge, and is something that BV has understandably always steered clear of, but our sports administration is paid to do exactly that - administer - not to just hand pass the issue to clubs and umpires who have enough on their plate already.
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Post by fuzzy on Dec 18, 2015 21:52:20 GMT 10
Tend to agree with the sentiment of most posts on this matter, BOM forecasting is much more accurate these days, happy for BV to be pro-acitve (read leadership) and make a call on Friday and save a lot of travel and wasted time tomorrow.
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Post by perfeckt on Dec 19, 2015 1:01:32 GMT 10
Just throwing a spanner in the works but hear me out if you will.
One of my whinges over the years has been the dictatorial attitude of the governing bodies that take the decision making out of the hands of the clubs.
There is a heat rule clearly stated and areas assigned to different BOM temperature gauges and whilst highly unlikely, in the case of this weekend, cooler than expected temp's are possible, earlier than expected cool changes could happen and the BOM might just get it wrong.
In winter unless the grounds are doing a good impersonation of a swimming pool it's always game on and the team that doesn't show forfeits. It's not fun but unless you're at the ground you will never know.
We crave control but I'm hearing a want to relinquish that control to a higher authority.
Once again I say that it is highly unlikely that the forecast is wrong and that the day won't allow play on any diamond in Vicco but what if that changes by a few degrees in a southern area or a higher area by an hour or two?
Two clubs playing each other can always decide between themselves to call off a game in advance and some clubs trying to better their win/loss ratio may want to take the slimmest of hopes to play.
Yours Truly,
A devils advocate.
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Post by mackem on Dec 19, 2015 12:15:19 GMT 10
When BV have cancelled a round before and the weather conditions have changed and games could have been played everyone complained.
They are d**ned if they do and d**ned if they don't.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 13:15:25 GMT 10
There is a degree of that, mackem. People want to play and, yes, there can be a wide variance in weather conditions between one ground and another - given the area that the league encompasses.
The difference, this time, is that BOM has been talking up extreme conditions and 40+ temperatures across the state for a couple of days now. According to them, any change will not come until at least early Sunday afternoon.
It is a difficult call to make at any time by BV, but it surely has to take notice of what the experts say rather than shunting the sole responsibility back onto clubs and umpires.
Some games will go ahead today, some won't. Either way, I cannot see that anyone will be deliriously happy over the outcome.
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Post by bp34 on Dec 19, 2015 13:42:24 GMT 10
Port melbourne v Fitzroy have been called off due to heat. Port called both 1's and 2'a games off by 12:30. It's ridiculous. Why there is even a heat policy is a joke for all grades 1sts. 1sta players want to play. It's only 3-4 hours with a break in the shade every15 mins. All grounds have running water and I'm sure most people are smart enough to bring a supply fluids with them anyway. People change work rosters just to be able to play Saturday games and now because of this stupid rule some are left out of pocket or doing extra shifts just to get the time off to play. It's a mans game so let them play. This is just another reason why baseball is a minority sport in the country.
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Post by homeplate on Dec 19, 2015 15:02:34 GMT 10
bp34, as kc said
Horse racing is called off, bowls called off, various cricket associations and other sports called off because of extreme weather conditions and fire danger, not just in the regions but also close to the city.
But - despite forecast Saturday temperatures across Melbourne in excess of 40C (according to the BOM website as at 4.30 PM on Friday) - BV wants to wait until Saturday so that it can place the decision-making in the hands of clubs and umpires!
So now Port Melbourne made a decision and you think it sucks because players would have got shade every 15 minutes. (Not necessarily true and obviously umpires don't count.)
Temperature per BOM was 38.7 at 12.00PM and at 3.30PM was 40.2. At no stage has it got under 38.7. By the way, did you get the pitchers' opinions on all this?
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Post by homeplate on Dec 19, 2015 15:21:16 GMT 10
Now 40.4 at 4.00PM
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Post by pirates on Dec 19, 2015 16:28:25 GMT 10
42c at 4.10 Preston v Doncaster game called, 2nds did not start as it was 39.9 and rising. Everyone sat around for hours in the heat because nobody wanted to make the call. The league should be making these calls.
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Post by Goblin on Dec 19, 2015 17:06:50 GMT 10
I have yet to hear anything about the Geelong Vs Chelt game that was also scheduled to play today @ Chelt.
The bylaw states that for Chelt the online gauge is Frankston.
Checking the printout it say top temp was a high of 36.2 at 1.50pm so one would expect that they would be playing.
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Post by homeplate on Dec 19, 2015 17:20:45 GMT 10
Thanks Goblin. I think Cheltenham guage is actually Moorabbin which did not drop below 38c until 5.20pm. Berwick were playing Ballarat, and Berwick's guage is Ferny Creek which did not have a temp over 35c today. So perhaps they got a game in. Don't you just love Melbourne weather!!!!
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Post by homeplate on Dec 19, 2015 17:22:18 GMT 10
At least the Ballarat boys wouldn't have had a wasted trip down.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 17:27:51 GMT 10
Well I don't know, homeplate. With half their players missing, the Brewers might have been happy with a no result! UPDATE: even more happy, as it turns out, with an 8-6 win over a Berwick outfit that struggled defensively despite out-hitting the visitors 13 to 10. www.ballaratcitybaseball.com.au/ |
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Post by homeplate on Dec 19, 2015 19:07:39 GMT 10
I'm sure the celebratory drinks would have helped the drive home as well!!  |
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Post by Goblin on Dec 19, 2015 19:16:55 GMT 10
Well, that answers the question. The Geel vs Chelt game is shown as 0-0 in the IMG system. This one is a tad confusing. As homeplate says, he thought the temp gauge for chelt is showing as morrabin radar. This is the sticking point as the bylaws list 2 options for Chelt. 1st one is that if you are calling the 1194 number the reading is taken from "Morrabin" 2nd, the same bylaw list "Frankston" if you are viewing things via the website. It must come down to how bad someone wants to play as to what reading they go by. www.baseballvictoria.com.au/Portals/34/Baseball_Vic-ByLaws_2011Sept_Amend2015August.pdf |
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Post by homeplate on Dec 20, 2015 6:30:38 GMT 10
Well picked up Goblin. Seeing that there is a Moorabbin site on the BOM website perhaps BV need to revisit their Bylaws.
I do have some sympathy for BV in this, d**ned if they do and d**ned if they don't. Hindsight is a great predictor of the future.
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Post by doubleplay on Dec 20, 2015 7:34:02 GMT 10
Being in the aircon/refrig game, a few years ago I was playing at Chelt filling in for my local side, constantly checking the digitemp the temp was around 41deg. The umpire being a club umpire took advice from the good people at Chelt and keep stating that the temp at Moorabbin airport was only 34deg. We played and built up a killer thirst. If BV is fairdinkum, it should instruct the umpires to spend $20.00 and buy a digitemp that gives accurate on the spot readings instead of relying various BOM reading stations that only takes the temp in the shade.
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Post by wearnie52 on Dec 20, 2015 7:35:35 GMT 10
I understand the comments about BV being d**ned if they do and d**ned if they don't.
However, I strongly agree with Goblin on this one.
The Heat Policy clearly states that they will seek advice from BOM (amongst others) in regards to calling off games ahead of time. This was almost a one off situation that we have known about for most of the week. Agreed, you wait until Friday when up to date information is available, but it was a waste of time turning up to games yesterday and being there in that weather.
If they had have released a statement with BOM information and confirmed that the duty of care of all players was their number one priority, no one could legitimately be angry with BV for making the right call ahead of time.
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Post by fuzzy on Dec 20, 2015 10:30:43 GMT 10
Boof, I am no weather guru but aren't temperature readings always taken in the shade. Also, the Moorabbin Frankston ambiguity needs to be sorted out.
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Post by The Puma on Dec 20, 2015 11:52:04 GMT 10
Berwick will never get a heat out while the temp is taken from Ferny creek. It's constantly 5 degrees cooler than anywhere else.
And it's probably lucky all Pumas teams had a bye this week, we don't even get a mention on the heat policy and the closest regional temp reading is Latrobe valley.
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