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Post by masters on Mar 8, 2013 20:34:46 GMT 10
Maybe because an u16 can be a better baseballer than all the u18 but someone who has played 2nd all year is not as good as the firsts players
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Post by wyatt33 on Mar 10, 2013 9:52:01 GMT 10
Not sure how you get 12 games out of three weekends that I mentioned! You honestly think it was a good idea to resume playing on Australia long weekend? And before you jump all over me. Not all junior baseballers are world beaters. And treat it as the only thing in the world. So it is an issue when your playing on a long weekend during school holidays. And two days before Xmas. Is also not ideal as lots of people go away for the Xmas break. Personally I don't see why the season can't start a week or two earlier. And see it extended as well. But I wouldn't know. I've only been involved for 30 odd years.....
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Post by aueagle30 on Mar 11, 2013 11:24:37 GMT 10
Not sure how you get 12 games out of three weekends that I mentioned! You honestly think it was a good idea to resume playing on Australia long weekend? And before you jump all over me. Not all junior baseballers are world beaters. And treat it as the only thing in the world. So it is an issue when your playing on a long weekend during school holidays. And two days before Xmas. Is also not ideal as lots of people go away for the Xmas break. Personally I don't see why the season can't start a week or two earlier. And see it extended as well. But I wouldn't know. I've only been involved for 30 odd years..... ...yet you've just reduced their season to 12 games. Wyatt30, I stated you had a desire to reduce the season to 12 games by wanting to eliminate the three weekends... I based this number on one of our U/14 teams who played 15 games (I'd recently reviewed their stats). For arguments sake, one of our U/12 team's played 13 games as a result of byes and forfeits and the most games our juniors played was 16 games. After 30 years in the sport, you should understand that if you take three games away from any of these teams, it means they will play less games. Regardless of a player's intent to be a 'world-beater', surely one of the valuable lessons team sport teaches is commitment to others. Is it not the responsibilities of clubs to explain to parents and players that by signing up to play baseball, they're making a commitment to everyone else on the team that playing baseball will be a priority over the course of the season. That may mean sacrificing some things, but the quality of experience of all players is dependant on the sacrifice and commitment of each other. I have also been around for some time... I remember my family scheduling holidays around baseball... I remember missing important family events due to my commitment to others on my team... these were lessons that were taught and have made me a less selfish person. Yes, I'm happy with the weekends you discussed being used to play baseball, particularly as they're in the middle of baseball season. If I remember correctly, there was some angst around the Melbourne Cup when BV cancelled junior games... seems like another case of d**ned when they do and d**ned when they don't. Baseball season is for playing baseball... not for taking weekends off to find other activities... surely that can be done without signing up to play baseball.
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Post by MF on Mar 11, 2013 12:04:30 GMT 10
Baseball season is for playing baseball... not for taking weekends off to find other activities... Well said. (Gentle hint: hope the pennant committee remembers that philosophy when considering canceling lower grades for make "space" for the Aces next year.)
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Post by wyatt33 on Mar 11, 2013 13:40:56 GMT 10
Paint it anyway you like it, eagle, but asking 10 and 11 year olds to play 2 days before Christmas, is stupid! I don't care what you say. You can't honestly say to me that you expect all families that have kids involved in baseball to change their Christmas holiday plans, for their team mates and club? Seriously? Try and paint it any way you like, but family is more important than baseball, as far as I'm concerned. And if you really think differently to that then must be Gomez Adams!
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Post by Chilli Wil on Mar 11, 2013 13:58:45 GMT 10
Paint it anyway you like it, eagle, but asking 10 and 11 year olds to play 2 days before Christmas, is stupid! I don't care what you say. It isn't stupid. Fixtures are (usually) out in plenty of time for parents to check them and modify their plans accordingly. Plenty of my childhood holidays revolved around not only baseball but other sports or events the family was involved in. I'd expect any kids that were really committed to the team to do it. I was taught growing up that if you make a commitment you come through for your mates. I'd also expect any Muslim or Jewish kids to not give a stuff about xmas. Yes, seriously. My family has always involved itself in my sporting, whether that be scoring, working the canteen or just turning up to let me know they care. There's only one Gomez Addams in Victorian baseball and that is our Pres, Alex. (sorry mate, couldn't help myself)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2013 14:15:43 GMT 10
Chilli Chilli Chilli - that is a classic mate (Id add a toupe' reference therein though).
However I hear that your playing rights may have been withdrawn from the club and there is an open clearance in the mail sign by Gomez ... I mean the Pres -ha ha !
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Post by wyatt33 on Mar 11, 2013 14:21:11 GMT 10
You too chill, don't seem to understand my point. There are people out there, that have kids that play baseball, that care more about family holidays, and Xmas, than they do about a junior baseball game. Whether they have aspirations to play Major League Baseball, or just rock up every Sunday, and have a hit and throw, and that's that, they have the right to go on holidays, and spend time away from the baseball club at summer time. If it were such a big deal to play, why have a month off over Xmas. Just play thru, and them you'll get your 20 games in, burn the kids out by the time they're 16 and we lose them too computer games and major league backgammon! If its so important to play the 16 games, why not start earlier, and finish later? How hard is that? Its not that hard I would have thought. Leagues happy to gouge clubs for fees, why not make it better value and extend the bloody season?
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Post by Chilli Wil on Mar 11, 2013 15:12:24 GMT 10
I never said people shouldn't have holidays, merely stated what happened as I grew up. PS all that commitment didn't get me very close to the MLB at all!! I'm not saying that people don't have lives and don't go on holidays. I'm not telling everyone out there to turn up for every game and every training session or don't bother at all. I'm letting you know that there are people out there that actually ENJOY turning up each week regardless of what else is happening. There are people out there who will and do schedule holidays around baseball because they want to turn up and want to show they are committed. That isn't for everyone and that's OK. The point of contention is that BV should not have games on these days because a minority of the playing population would rather go on holidays. That I can't and won't agree with. I'd argue along with others that the majority of the people who play sport in organised competitions understand there are some sacrifices that need to be made; be those time, travel or money. There are more complex issues than just extending the season. I've been a big supporter of playing more games at all levels. I think it is counter-intuitive that we only play once a week and we train for at least the amount of time we play. Juniors should play at least two games per week and seniors should have a midweek game every third week regardless of the grade IMO. Just my thoughts on a matter that is for another time. PS here is a photo of Authentic for all of those who want to put a face to the name:
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Post by perfeckt on Mar 11, 2013 18:30:56 GMT 10
Ummm....., it's now week 23.
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Post by oldmanriver on Mar 12, 2013 8:24:01 GMT 10
Get rid of the silly trial games and the sason could be finished by Christmas with finals in the new year. Season finshed by the middle of Feb.
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Post by aueagle30 on Mar 12, 2013 9:24:53 GMT 10
wyatt33, I would have thought the fastest way to drive people away from the game is to ask them to commit to a competition that last well over six months, pay good money to play baseball, then tell them multiple times during the season, "We're sure you've got better things to do than play baseball, take the weekend off and do something more fun."
The season is already way too long and with the crush of summer/winter seasons, we're already asking people to shift from one season to the next without an adequate break... extending the season to allow more time off during the season seems counterproductive.
I agree there are many people out there with self-centered (not intended as a pejorative) priorities... I agree our sport needs to understand how to accomodate those people with only a limited commitment to baseball... my point is, our clubs need to try an educate all members on the importance of commitment (a valuable life lesson), and for those not interested, I'd suggest a domestic competition is a more apporpriate outlet for them to enjoy baseball.
I don't see it as BV's responsibility to schedule it's season around people who don't want to be involved in baseball, or to try and predict the whims of the moderately committed.
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