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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2012 14:12:22 GMT 10
Well is appears as though clubs are being asked how they feel about the Seniors Round on the 16th of December being either...
a) Cancelled b) Changed to be the Saturday 15th perhaps, or; c) Play as Fixtured.
This is all to do with the ABL All-Star game I presume. Club voting (which seems to be very democratic via Survey Monkey closes today).
This WILL be interesting - is there a club out there that would vote to NOT want its paid up baseballing members to play - surely not ?
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Post by MF on Nov 26, 2012 19:19:38 GMT 10
How about cancelling the Seniors Round on 23rd of December, rather than have a bazillion games forfeited across the league?
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Post by Goblin on Nov 26, 2012 20:00:47 GMT 10
My 2 cents worth are the club games go ahead as scheduled on the 16th.
Clash or no clash.......
The majority don't need to be inconvenienced by the minority.
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Post by mackem on Nov 26, 2012 21:16:25 GMT 10
What about clubs who have organised function on the 16th.
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Post by perfeckt on Nov 26, 2012 21:45:17 GMT 10
I agree with youse, Goblin and MF.
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Post by wako on Nov 26, 2012 23:22:24 GMT 10
Play the round as scheduled, anything else should be scheduled around that. If not playing club baseball on the day of the all-star game is so important, then schedule it before the club ball games are scheduled and work with the state associations accordingly.
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Post by 6for8 on Nov 27, 2012 0:24:12 GMT 10
I would guess the state government tipping in some coin helped in Melbourne being awarded the All-star game. Probably, almost certainly, the process was not complete before club fixturing. In all likelyhood, those clubs that are willing to reschedule games will do so, and those who aren't (due to functions on the Sunday, or otherwise) will play out their original fixture. And that's all fine. I feel positive about how BV are approaching the issue so far.
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Post by oldmanriver on Nov 27, 2012 6:55:27 GMT 10
I dare say that the BV fixture was out first and the All Star game came second. I am not sure and don't really care. I am sure that there would have been a free weekend in January to accomodate the All Star game. At least the clubs have been asked and not told. Best result would be for BV to advertise the result of the poll to stop any complaining or pregnant doginess and enuendo's. This is a positive for BV.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2012 9:49:53 GMT 10
I agree - the apparent voting process is very reassuring and ideally a way forward on all sorts of matters to do with BV communicating with clubs. In terms of the actual question, our 6-ers would quite rightly be pi$$ed if it became a Bye as they have a Bye the week after and then its the Chrissy break !
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Post by wyatt33 on Nov 27, 2012 10:46:45 GMT 10
Why does the all star game need to be played during the day? Play it as a night or twilight game, and give everyone a chance to get there. Or is it too difficult for folk to get to the game at that time.....like having an under 12 game played at Geelong on the 23rd of dec?
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Post by pirates on Nov 27, 2012 11:16:13 GMT 10
I think the league did the only thing it could and allowed everyone to make a call and let the majority decide. I would say that there would hardly be any(no) chance of the league creating a bye. We as baseball fans and players should, i would think, embrace this very special game held in our own back yard which the State and local government is helping sponsor. A full house with governments watching will no doubt help when we seek funding for our local sport. It's a huge PR opportunity and at the same time when was the last time we were able to watch the Australian team play in Melbourne against what should be a great all star team. I know I'm taking the opportunity to invite a group of non baseball people to watch our game at a great baseball venue.
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Post by moose on Nov 27, 2012 12:47:33 GMT 10
In Lawn Bowls, Bowls Victoria have moved the Saturday fixture to a Sunday so bowlers can attend the Australian open Finals at Darebin Bowls Club.
Result was no increase in attendance, lots of whinging and clubs loosing out as players not available on a Sunday.
BV has sensibly allowed the clubs to make the decision. I wish Bowls Victoria had done the same.
Neil W
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Post by oldmanriver on Nov 27, 2012 13:50:34 GMT 10
IMHO, those who want to turn up will and those who don't won't. It won't matter a dam if we are playing or not. If we are playing there goes at least 1100 people who won't be there. I haven't seen any advertising or promo material, so someone isn't all that serious about the ALL STAR game. As I posted before, atleast BV has allowed the Clubs a say in what will happen.
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Post by 6for8 on Nov 27, 2012 14:49:31 GMT 10
Why does the all star game need to be played during the day? Play it as a night or twilight game, and give everyone a chance to get there. Or is it too difficult for folk to get to the game at that time.....like having an under 12 game played at Geelong on the 23rd of dec? The lighting quality is not to a standard that is suitable for television broadcast. I believe no current ABL ground has good enough lights for night game broadcasting.
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Post by gj on Nov 27, 2012 15:01:57 GMT 10
What about still playing midweek games at 6pm. Look at tonight's games, 5 of the 6 almost couldn't get the teams located more further apart geographically. Don,t they get the idea that some people work.
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Post by shoeless on Nov 27, 2012 15:31:21 GMT 10
Oh well I posted in another tread I'll have a crack here too.
If the rule for the mound visits is to be adhered to then BV is a Professional League, so quit your b1tching you're all getting paid well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Enjoy your drive - Sticks to Upwey (Greensborough to Upwey), Spearzy to Blackburn (Albion to Blackburn) and Scotty Moore to Geelong (Monty to Geelong) at least the Geelong game is at 7:30.
I did love mid-week games myself though it meant I left work early, and my boss loved that "sorry can't hand this house over I have to drive from Point Cook to Upwey for a 6pm game, can you do it for me"
Ahhhh it's good to be back!!!!
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Post by oldnotstupid on Nov 27, 2012 16:49:20 GMT 10
The club has just time ago received this notice from Baseball Victoria "As a result of the responses received, the Summer League Committee has decided to re-schedule all senior games from Sunday 16 December 2012 to Saturday 15 December 2012. " Well I say : A pox on all who played a hand in this. As a result, a multitude of players, will now miss playing a round of baseball. To all those who have made arrangements to do something on the Saturday, stiff, bad luck suckers. We have your fee's and your not getting nothing back. Go tell someone who cares. I now call on all to boycott the event. Attachments:
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Post by Goblin on Nov 27, 2012 18:00:23 GMT 10
So, now we reschedule BV club games to go up AGAINST ABL Aces.
The Aces are to play 1.05pm on the Saturday (15th) at Altona.
Something is starting to smell............
I have a feeling we are part of a gotcha prankster show. Are they serious.....
I agree boycott the ALL-Star game. Vote with you feet.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2012 18:35:38 GMT 10
Better still buy tickets on the ABL website for the All-Star game and arrive at the listed time of 4:05pm (which is 2 hours after game actually starts based on the BV Memo)
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Post by Goblin on Nov 27, 2012 18:57:34 GMT 10
Baseball Victoria says the game starts at 2pm.
All the ABL sites show the game starts at 7.05pm.
As Authentic states, when you try to purchase tickets it says game start time is 4.05pm
As I stated earlier, there is a lingering smell in the air........
Were Baseball Victoria basing their decisions on the wrong game time.
Sounds as tho clubs have been sold a pup, again
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Post by Camov on Nov 27, 2012 19:03:24 GMT 10
ugh.
i putting this to the forums for some group therapy.
Any suggestions?
On one hand i would love to get to the game, i thinks its fantastic that melbourne is hosting the all star game and a great opportunity to support the sport i love. Further more as a club that is based near by altona we are keen to support altona as a venue and i think it would be a great club event to get as many of the wolves down to watch.
conversely, 2 months ago when the revised fixture was announced i sat down with my social committee and set out all our social events for he season (for a second time)
we have organised the 16th for a christmas party, put in the pre work to get the event up and running and consider it to be one of our major functions for the year.
we are unable to move to the saturday as we share facilities with a cricket club
so at he moment im left with:
if we move to the saturday we lose the function and forgo all the revenue and goodwill associated with it. if we play on the sunday the club looses the opportunity to support the all star game and forces players in the senior group to choose between playing or watching the game.
we cant do the right thing by everybody and no matter which decision we make the club looses out in some way.
any thoughts?
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Post by eckersley43 on Nov 27, 2012 19:04:47 GMT 10
And also..if the Womens Round on the 15th continues (it wasn't part of the survey) where would they be playing given that all their clubs have numerous Mens teams? Or will the relocation of grounds impact on the Mens teams. Or will the Womens teams play early morning?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2012 20:33:55 GMT 10
“The vote by clubs was overwhelmingly in favour for a rescheduling of senior club games to avoid a conflict with the ABL All Star Game,” said Baseball Victoria CEO Brett Hidson.
I dont supposed we can clarify what 'overwhelmingly' means Brett ?
What did your club vote Forum members ?
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Post by shoeless on Nov 27, 2012 20:49:50 GMT 10
Crappy spot your in Ryan, IMO if the round has changed that's very disappointing and I would hope that the above mentioned survey was an unanimous decision not just a majority of replies. People need to remember that without Baseball Players there is no Baseball League! The most important asset for BV is the players. I think some people are confused - Yogi Berra once said of a St Louis restaurant "nobody goes there anymore - it's too crowded." Players may not go to games anymore, because no one listens doesn't have mush to do with my Berra quote but I love a "Yogi-ism" we have a great league, where we truly have a baseball family, but the worst falling outs are the ones in families, please tread carefully!
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Post by Goblin on Nov 27, 2012 21:20:58 GMT 10
Crappy spot your in Ryan, IMO if the round has changed that's very disappointing and I would hope that the above mentioned survey was an unanimous decision not just a majority of replies. People need to remember that without Baseball Players there is no Baseball League! The most important asset for BV is the players. I think some people are confused - Yogi Berra once said of a St Louis restaurant "nobody goes there anymore - it's too crowded." Players may not go to games anymore, because no one listens doesn't have mush to do with my Berra quote but I love a "Yogi-ism" we have a great league, where we truly have a baseball family, but the worst falling outs are the ones in families, please tread carefully! www.essendonbaseball.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/like.gif{/img]
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Post by Goblin on Nov 28, 2012 9:25:38 GMT 10
“The vote by clubs was overwhelmingly in favour for a rescheduling of senior club games to avoid a conflict with the ABL All Star Game,” said Baseball Victoria CEO Brett Hidson. I dont supposed we can clarify what 'overwhelmingly' means Brett ? What did your club vote Forum members ? I'm informed Essendon voted for all games to go ahead as fixtured on the Sunday.
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Post by oldmanriver on Nov 28, 2012 9:32:35 GMT 10
As I said in a previous post, publish the results, not keep a bloody secret. How many yays and how many nays, how many clubs actually voted. I can tell you that the Cards were against changing the fixture, especially seeing as half a players play cricket on the saturday and I am sure that many of the lower club nines would be hamstrung with having cricketers that play. One would hope that any forfieture that occurs that day will be looked upon kindly by BV and fines issued for screwing things up(I might be a bit harsh).
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Post by oldmanriver on Nov 28, 2012 9:37:56 GMT 10
PT 2 should finish the sentence. be overlooked for this round. I don't know how an allstar games is going to effected by our senior v St Kilda in lowly Div 4 south starting at 10.30am in the morning going to alter the world turning around. Now I have finished
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Post by aueagle30 on Nov 28, 2012 10:28:44 GMT 10
At the risk of putting my head up just to get it knocked off... again, I'm not authorised to write on behalf of the SLC or BV, so I won't provide information I feel is too specific, but I'll try to give some insight into the process the SLC followed in determining the change to accomodate the All-Star Game.
Regarding the All-Star Game, the Vic State Government did contribute $40,000 toward the Melbourne Aces securing the event. This comes on top of the $200,000 the Government contributed into the upgrades of Melbourne Ballpark this year. Considering this newfound attraction our State Government has to our sport, the SLC discussed the importance of our sport considering all options in the pursuit of supporting the event. Governments are fickle in their support... they might not give another dime to baseball over the next decade... but at least it won't be because the governing body of baseball in Victoria didn't consider all possibilities in supporting important baseball events, such as the All-Star Game.
The next consideration was the clubs and their views, based on the survey... I won't go into the specifics of the survey, however I'll note a few important factors in the decision... but first, off topic, but something I've noted in the past we, as clubs, need to improve, only 2/3 of the clubs listed on the Summer League website participated in the survey... until clubs improve our capacity to a) work together and, b) communicate our needs effectively, clubs will miss opportunities to provide a clear message of their priorities.
Based on the survey... almost all clubs voted to either have the game rescheduled or remain as scheduled... this sent an overwhelming statement to the SLC that clubs wanted their members to have the opportunity to participate and not merely be relegated to the role of spectator... based on this, the option to cancel the games was immediately discounted (to be honest, the SLC were loathe to cancel games already, so this was an easy decision following the survey).
The majority of respondents stated a preference to have the game rescheduled (authentic, I'll leave it Brett to define the term 'overwhelming')... This, combined with the perceived importance of baseball considering all options in support of the All-Star Game, led the SLC to the decision to reschedule the games.
The SLC considered several options in the reschedule... A) playing the 1st's/2nd's on the Saturday, moving the 3rd's/4th's to Jan 13 (first week back after Xmas, even worse in regard to player availability); B) finding an open weekend anywhere between now and the end of the season (of which there are none); C) extending the 2nd's/3rd's/4th's season by a week, pushing the Grand Finals to the same weekend as the 1st's Grand Final (reduces the capacity for clubs with multiple GF teams to support each other at Grand Finals, and may reduce clubs playing lists in a 3-game series, putting unfair disadvantage on clubs with multiple teams in GF's); D) extending the entire season by a week (would run the 1st's Grand Finals into Easter weekend)... E) create a double header weekend somewhere in the season (a full weekend of playing baseball in the lead up to Xmas, coming back after New Year, or leading into the playoffs seemed likely to extend the means of clubs and players too far).
There was no ideal option... The move to Sat Dec 15 created the least amount of flow-on impact, was supported by a majority, and reinforced baseball's support of the All-Star Game.
There are still issues to be resolved... I understand several club's are unable to use their field on the Saturday... I also understand this may impact the start times of games... and I understand clubs social functions might be impacted... I'm hopeful clubs can cooperate with each other and BV to minimise the impact of this decision on each other.
I'll start by offering the following... Geelong will have three open fields on the day... we invite any club unable to host their home games on the Saturday to request BV move the game to a field in Geelong, and we will negotiate an equitable distribution of canteen and raffle proceeds to help offset any losses clubs might be facing. I understand the travel will be a concern, but the offer's there.
I have been critical of BV in the past for undermining its clubs in favor of the ABL/Aces... I continue to be critical of issues such as changes to the BV presentation night to accomodate the Aces... however, I see the opportunities associated with hosting the All-Star game as an exceptional circumstance that our community should do all we can to manage our priorities around.
Please note, EXCEPTIONAL, meaning I don't think it should be in all instances. I appreciate for some this change is less than ideal... I hope I'm right in saying this will not happen often and any inconvenience is only asked in the pursuit of an excellent opportunity for baseball to promote itself in Victoria.
Please IM me if anyone is interested in using Geelong's fields on the 15th.
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Post by aueagle30 on Nov 28, 2012 10:36:06 GMT 10
A couple of other quick notes...
The ABL site is now showing game time as 2pm on the ticket purchase page...
The All-Star Game is scheduled for Sunday to allow the ABL series' to be completed and for players to travel to Melbourne... the game is scheduled for the afternoon to allow players to travel back home Sunday night, keeping in mind that our semi-professional league has players who may have to show up for work on Monday morning...
I know the concern of cricketers is real; is there any chance they could choose to play baseball for just the one week this season (I'm not being facetious or diminishing their commitment to cricket, just raising the idea of asking them for one Saturday this season).
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