getting done by 15 runs?

[hpb]

getting smashed today by 15 runs in 5ths baseball.
coach still putting the steal on and bunting..
had a word to him told me where to go..its not how i was raised...what do you think ??

[foofighter]

Not sure most will not agree with me, but I think that the stealing should continue in the case you mentioned. Not gonna beat a 15 run deficit without trying. As for bunting, basically conceding an out to advance the runners when you are -15 is BIZARRE to me. May as well just step on the homeplate and walk to the car!!

[Deleted]

Who was still stealing - the team leading or getting beat hpb ?

[wyatt33]

I read it as hpb was playing for the team getting smashed. If that's the case, that's extremely poor form, especially at that level of baseball. Name and shame I say!

[dazza33]

Oct 22, 2012 9:46:11 GMT 10 wyatt33 said:

I read it as hpb was playing for the team getting smashed. If that's the case, that's extremely poor form, especially at that level of baseball. Name and shame I say!

Agreed, I read it as his team getting flogged but who is stealing and bunting I think is what is not clear. I mean if the opposition is stealing being that far ahead, poor form, if it's his team what's the problem? As far as bunting, again opposition, probably poor form but his team and down by that much hit away I say!

[hpb]

sorry for not being clear i was typing in anger..
i was on the team getting pumped
& the opposition coach was putting on the steal @ bunting...

[wako]

Were the opposition players old/experienced enough that they should possibly have suggested to the coach that they stop stealing and bunting? If so, you could try and bring it up with them and see if they're more reasonable than the coach. Another option is to bring it up with their club coach (who is likely better educated on such matters and also more concerned with the club's overall reputation) via your own club coach. Another is to name and shame, as wyatt33 said. There are many options and it's hard to say which one suits your situation best. I would definitely make sure that any young and/or inexperienced players on your own team understand that that is not the right way to play if they should find themselves up by 15 in the future.

[Deleted]

I agree with Wako, but name them anyway so we can perhaps have a chat with them if they play us.

[aueagle30]

Another option would be to not be overly concerned with what others do... teach your own players the correct way to conduct themselves and to play the game hard, let others suit themselves.

There are legitimate reasons why you shouldn't bunt or steal in that situation that have nothing to do with good morals or sensibilities... likely a lot of people don't understand these good reasons, but no reason to walk around finger-wagging.

15 runs down, I'd be thanking the other team for bunting and giving me a chance to make an easy out.

[willo]

Oct 22, 2012 16:27:17 GMT 10 aueagle30 said:

Another option would be to not be overly concerned with what others do... teach your own players the correct way to conduct themselves and to play the game hard, let others suit themselves.

There are legitimate reasons why you shouldn't bunt or steal in that situation that have nothing to do with good morals or sensibilities... likely a lot of people don't understand these good reasons, but no reason to walk around finger-wagging.

15 runs down, I'd be thanking the other team for bunting and giving me a chance to make an easy out.

Im pretty new to the sport and even I wouldnt instruct blokes to do that!! Agree with Authentic, name and shame and if he was a dead set prat about it during the game your pitcher should have all of a sudden "lost command of his pitches"

[4crownies]

Just to play devil's advocate, maybe the winning teams coach has a memory of the days opposition once doing it to a team he played on.
If that's the case though, he probably should have told that to you.
Doesn't make it right, but then what is right....

[eckersley43]

Willo..I wouldn't advocating the losing pitcher "suddenly losing command of his pitches"..he's already gone for 15 ..or part thereof. Remember they have a pitcher too..probably a more lethal one. Bit like taking a knife to a gun fight!
P.S. Without restarting the debate about "plugging batters" I always wondered why the "evening up" was never inflicted on the guilty party, but some hapless individual who just happened to be next up at bat.

[willo]

Oct 22, 2012 21:50:10 GMT 10 eckersley43 said:

Willo..I wouldn't advocating the losing pitcher "suddenly losing command of his pitches"..he's already gone for 15 ..or part thereof. Remember they have a pitcher too..probably a more lethal one. Bit like taking a knife to a gun fight!
P.S. Without restarting the debate about "plugging batters" I always wondered why the "evening up" was never inflicted on the guilty party, but some hapless individual who just happened to be next up at bat.

Yeah he has already gone for a massive amount of runs, precisley why it makes no difference if he cops more, the match was already heavily one sided with almost no chance of a victory. Yeah its not the fault of the poor bloke up next to bat, but as I said if the coach of said team is going to be a total a**wipe, then IMHO its open slather on the whole team. The guilty coach could of and should have handled it WAY differently. Any pitches that "accidentally" go astray as a result of a very crappy attitude are on the offending coach/captain.

[oldmanriver]

As my old pappy told me once, if you don't like what you see, apologise to the batsman and then point the finger at the offending runner and plunk in the last part of the body to move, the knee, hopefully it will stop the stealing and it will definately stop the batter from stealing as he is rubbing his knee. If that fails, a pick off through the bench gets the message across.
But at all times you must be apologetic. After all in low grade Baseball, there shouldn't be any sheep stations on the line.