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Post by Goblin on Oct 5, 2012 23:44:44 GMT 10
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2012 23:53:36 GMT 10
Yeah I heard of this rule/playing condition change today Goblin ...... A WEEK AFTER ROUND ONE. I like it if true, but we could have used this last week to give blokes a better go if we'd have known. A Memo or something BEFORE the game would have been good !  |
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Post by Goblin on Oct 6, 2012 0:39:46 GMT 10
Agreed, I would have expected it to get a lot of airplay.
I only noticed earlier today. But each person I spoke to to get clarification said they were unaware of it.
Like yourself, I like the rule, just need to confirm so we can use it.
It has worked well over many years for the Masters
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Post by eckersley43 on Oct 6, 2012 17:48:33 GMT 10
Authentic..didn't the umpire/s go over the new playing condition at the plate meeting? Maybe you didn't have any appointed umpires?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2012 20:11:22 GMT 10
Authentic..didn't the umpire/s go over the new playing condition at the plate meeting? Maybe you didn't have any appointed umpires? Thats right mate we didnt have official umpires (as is the case with most of the game where this new rule applied of course) and I am sure clubs, and thus club umpires werent told either. |
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Post by eckersley43 on Oct 7, 2012 0:14:56 GMT 10
Not 100% sure on this Authentic, but with batting through the order up to a maximum of 12, that if at any stage you want to "skip" a player/s whether that player/s can be removed from the game. If it is posssible, it begs the question as to whether they could return.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2012 9:47:58 GMT 10
eckersley, on a quick reading the rule is not totally clear. It needs to be, so that it cannot be manipulated or abused. Or misunderstood. The purpose of the extra hitters is to enable more players to become involved in the game. If you start with twelve hitters, then you should remain with twelve hitters throughout the game - unless a player is injured. Clause (f) in the amendment suggests that an extra hitter can be dragged without any penalty to the side. I would have serious misgivings about being able to "skip" a time at bat and then re-entering the game. On the other hand, if a team is starting with twelve hitters (in the spirit of greater involvement), then it should not be penalised (for instance, because of injury). See below Rule 13 as it applies in the Victorian Masters (where up to seven extra hitters can be used). Something along these lines should be provided by way of clarification if there is any perceived confusion. www.vicmasters.baseball.com.au/default.asp?Page=67274 |
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Post by eckersley43 on Oct 7, 2012 10:05:13 GMT 10
Thanks KC. I just re read the playing conditions on the BV website (Summer League) If a player in the extended line up does NOT bat he is deemed to be substituted out of the game and cannot return. Any combination of 9 players may take the field and can change fielding positions..which should be good for the game but a headache for the scorers.
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Post by oldmanriver on Oct 8, 2012 11:33:49 GMT 10
I umpired a game yesterday down at Chelt in the 4ths and had a ball. This rule did come up and they asked for my take on it. Being the first time that i had heard of it, just suggested that they write their team sheets out bat 12 in any order you like and I will put the tyeam sheets in my pocket and get on with the game. No problems occurred as long as the umpire is kept in the dark, there is no problem with the rule. Best to be a Masters Manager or a Junior Manager, its been in for years.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2012 9:16:59 GMT 10
Here's an interesting add-on to this rule change (which I like by the way).
If your club (like ours) bought regualation scorebooks from BV this year and this 'new' rule applies to you (as it does to more than half the teams that play) then I suspect that your scorebook has been rendered useless and you need to buy the Masters Version of the Scorebook that allows for the extra hitters !
PS: And good luck to the Scorers working out Fielding Stats with players coming on and off and back on the ground in defence (which we dont bother with in Masters anyway but Club Coaches may want to look at in terms of tracking players perfomances in the 3s etc ?).
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Post by 4crownies on Oct 12, 2012 9:25:37 GMT 10
Here's an interesting add-on to this rule change (which I like by the way). If your club (like ours) bought regualation scorebooks from BV this year and this 'new' rule applies to you (as it does to more than half the teams that play) then I suspect that your scorebook has been rendered useless and you need to buy the Masters Version of the Scorebook that allows for the extra hitters ! PS: And good luck to the Scorers working out Fielding Stats with players coming on and off and back on the ground in defence (which we dont bother with in Masters anyway but Club Coaches may want to look at in terms of tracking players perfomances in the 3s etc ?). Our scorer has warned all coaches, "do it and find yourself another scorer" ![]() www.essendonbaseball.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/like.gif{/img]  |
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Post by oldmanriver on Oct 12, 2012 9:47:37 GMT 10
There are several options you can take by playing 12 at a time.
1. Play three designated hitters.
2. Play three designated hitters and make no field changes.
3. Abandon the fielding award and just count the errors made by each indivdual player.
4. Only pick nine players.
This is one of the better ideas BV has had in the last twenty or so years. (It took the Masters to lead the way.).
And finally by your scorer a bottle of Chardy each week and just keep her happy at all times.
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Post by farnt on Oct 12, 2012 9:55:53 GMT 10
Apologies if this is covered somewhere else in the rules, and appreciating some clubs/coaches have larger sheep stations up for grabs - if you make finals in one grade and lower grade doesn't, can you then stack your hitting line up with three gun DH's from lower grades? OMR - A bottle of CHardy sounds repulsive  |
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Post by oldmanriver on Oct 12, 2012 10:33:51 GMT 10
Sorry Farnt. I was struggling with the spelling of Chardonay, as in the Wine type. Not meaning a fellow forum member.
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Post by 4crownies on Oct 12, 2012 11:01:05 GMT 10
And finally by your scorer a bottle of Chardy each week and just keep her happy at all times. She only drinks Jim Beam, and was a lot happier when she was allowed to drink it whilst scoring  |
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Post by oldmanriver on Oct 12, 2012 11:08:46 GMT 10
That's what cans of coke are for or 2 ltr bottles of coke topped up.
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Post by dazza33 on Oct 12, 2012 12:00:33 GMT 10
Authentic..didn't the umpire/s go over the new playing condition at the plate meeting? Maybe you didn't have any appointed umpires? Yep the umps went over it at the plate with us Rnd1....... |
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Post by eckersley43 on Oct 12, 2012 16:00:10 GMT 10
There is a sting in the tail of extended batting line ups..if you "skip" a player in the line up, they are out of the game and "the normal rules of substitution don't apply". Wouldn't want to be the manager forgetting , and putting the player/s out in the field later.Presumably would be cause for an appeal.This rule I understand is going to be further clarified.
Masters "rule" has been in the practice, but isn't definately defined.
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