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Post by The Jack on Sept 14, 2012 20:14:35 GMT 10
And then there were 2! Grand final week, I ventured to the city today for the grand final parade, but had to watch an empty horse drawn cart go past, how disappointing. Anyway...
A Grade
Heathmont vs Research - Previous results, Heathmont by 1 run, Research by 10 runs and Heathmont by 1 run in the first semi final - Arguably the two best sides all season, both with some serious hitting power and guys who can get the job done on the hill. Lets look at the line ups. Heathmont will likely send S Gourlay to the mound for the start of the game (unless Kennedy is back, does anyone know?). Gourlay kept the big bats quite last time and will need to do the same again tomorrow, can he get through 9 innings again? Hitters like Dingle, Mack and Hunter will need to be at their best to score enough runs tomorrow. There will need to be support from Gribben, Rossell and King getting on base for the 'big' boys to knock around. Research are likely to start with the every reliable McKay, although Horan started well last week and Bedford will likely be used to finish off the game yet again. Looking at their 'extended' list, you cannot go past names like T Dicker, D Dicker, Edwards, Davies, Locklier, McDonald and Bride with O'Rielly a huge chance of causing damage. It is extremely difficult to keep this line up down with threats down the entire list. I think they have the better field as well with good range, hands and throwing ability. I do not think this is a game that will go extra innings, I think that Research will be up and going after their loss in the first round of finals and that they will atone for their loss in last season's final game. Research to win by 3.
B Grade
North Coburg Rebels vs Westgarth - Previous results, Westgarth by 6 (to nil), wash out, Rebels by 1 in the first semi - Rebels will need a better start this week, they were lucky to pinch the game in the first semi and will need to pick up a few runs early. I am not sure they will risk Djorgonoski to start as he was hit hard, but may prefer to start Petri and then go straight to Masa Endo. I would think that they will work on playing small ball and hope that they can score 3 or 4 runs by the 5th inning to give themselves a real shot at knocking off who many, including myself, the best side in the B Grade. Lee Tet, Endo, Maloney and Ferrell will need to have a blinder to score enough runs this week. If Masa starts and can go 7 or 8 innings, then 4 runs may be enough to win the GF. So the question for the Rebels is probably, do we try and get 4 or 5 innings out of Petri and Djorgonski with Masa to throw 4 or 5 at the end or start Masa and ride him as long as they can. To win the game I would be more inclined to send Masa to the hill and back themselves to score the 4 runs they would need. Westgarth have been the best side all season and have played a total of 3 or 4 bad innings for the season. They have outscored every other team and allowed less runs to be scored than any other team. Reeves will start and probably go 5 or 6 before the ball is handed over to Hunter or Deeble. The danger for Garth is that their bats don't turn up to play. I think they will likely keep Rebels to 5 runs for the game, but they will need to score many more to feel safe after their last match up giving up plenty in the last inning to lose. Huryn is dangerous, Pawley swings hard, Deeble can hit the fence and run, throw in Drinkwater (fit or not) and their hitting line up looks a lot stronger than that of the Rebels. The danger for Rebels is, once Garth get their confidence up, they can put runs on the board, but more importantly shut down an opposition. While the week off will ensure Rebels are fresh, Garth hit some form last week with a good win against Ringwood. Westgarth to win by 4.
FWIW A Reserves Ringwood vs Knox - Ringwood to win in a close one. B Reserves Diamond Creek vs Westgarth - Westgarth to start their day with a win here before backing it up in the main event.
Good luck to all players, umpires and scorers. I hope the grounds have enough frothies and hot dogs for the day
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2012 20:55:32 GMT 10
Nice work TJ, well done again this year, its a shame you got in all horribly wrong in B Grade in the Final stanza :-)
At least I hope you are wrong !
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Post by smallchange on Sept 14, 2012 23:13:13 GMT 10
Heathmont will likely send S Gourlay to the mound for the start of the game (unless Kennedy is back, does anyone know?). Two weeks ago when Heathmont beat Research Matt Gourlay was quoted (MWBL site) as follows : Gourlay was also looking forward to the Grand Final. "Fortunately for us, we get Jon Kennedy back from his Australian duties..." So he should be there...? I agree - Masa should start in B Grade. Good luck to everyone playing tomorrow.
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Post by perfeckt on Sept 14, 2012 23:22:55 GMT 10
Once again, thankyou "The Jack". Indeed thanx for the whole season......and then some.
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Post by backwardsk on Sept 15, 2012 16:49:15 GMT 10
Absolute disgraceful display today at the EE Grand final at
monty, one Dave White walked up BEHIND a bloke who was walking off the field cause he was out, and proceeded to physicaly strike him by kneeing the back of the watsonia blokes knee and then mouth off at him, a disgusting display from a roach of a bloke that no-one would expect anything less from how bout next time you confront him face to facw you gutless wonder. Totally un-australian act
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Post by thehotcorner on Sept 15, 2012 18:18:21 GMT 10
Congratulations to the Heathmont Baseball Club on taking out the 2012 A Grade premiership with a 10-0 win over Research today.
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Post by smallchange on Sept 15, 2012 19:15:12 GMT 10
Absolute disgraceful display today at the EE Grand final at monty, one Dave White walked up BEHIND a bloke who was walking off the field cause he was out, and proceeded to physicaly strike him by kneeing the back of the watsonia blokes knee and then mouth off at him, a disgusting display from a roach of a bloke that no-one would expect anything less from how bout next time you confront him face to facw you gutless wonder. Totally un-australian act really? i wouldn't expect that from David at all (and i'm not a GMBC member). did anyone else see this incident?
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Post by farnt on Sept 15, 2012 19:32:31 GMT 10
Westgarth 9 - 4 I think over Rebels. quality viewing with a heap of pressure. Some spite shown by the WG guys (well one in particular) that was a little uncalled for after being tapped by a 50mph Masa slider or two (or three or four). Overall a great afternoon at Doncy land. Diamond Creek up in the B Reserve.The chicken burgers were a treat ladies and the beers were icy lads - thanks DBC.
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Post by farnt on Sept 15, 2012 19:57:41 GMT 10
Absolute disgraceful display today at the EE Grand final at monty, one Dave White walked up BEHIND a bloke who was walking off the field cause he was out, and proceeded to physicaly strike him by kneeing the back of the watsonia blokes knee and then mouth off at him, a disgusting display from a roach of a bloke that no-one would expect anything less from how bout next time you confront him face to facw you gutless wonder. Totally un-australian act really? i wouldn't expect that from David at all (and i'm not a GMBC member). did anyone else see this incident? Yeah it was pretty average. Sure the runner was out of line and went through the base but this was just clumsiness and a lack of skill/inexperience. He apologised to the 2B and helped him up - they were cool but Whitey took a b-line to the third base line to make his point. Very disappointing thing to see from a leader like David. Whilst he is probably enjoying a crownie or 16 for throwing a full game GF win (16-3 I think), I'm sure he's a little embarrased by his actions. If not, he should be. It's E Grade David, not the ABL or an international game - not everyone knows how to slide properly. The crowd behind third ensured Dave knew it...water off a duck's back though me thinks.
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Post by betsy on Sept 15, 2012 20:15:02 GMT 10
really? i wouldn't expect that from David at all (and i'm not a GMBC member). did anyone else see this incident? Yeah it was pretty average. Sure the runner was out of line and went through the base but this was just clumsiness and a lack of skill/inexperience. He apologised to the 2B and helped him up - they were cool but Whitey took a b-line to the third base line to make his point. Very disappointing thing to see from a leader like David. Whilst he is probably enjoying a crownie or 16 for throwing a full game GF win (16-3 I think), I'm sure he's a little embarrased by his actions. If not, he should be. It's E Grade David, not the ABL or an international game - not everyone knows how to slide properly. The crowd behind third ensured Dave knew it...water off a duck's back though me thinks.
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Post by betsy on Sept 15, 2012 20:16:20 GMT 10
Can someone please tell me who won the GF today between Montmorency and Watsonia? Appreciate it. thanks
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Post by farnt on Sept 15, 2012 20:21:44 GMT 10
16 - 3 win to Greenhills Montmorency Baseball Club over Watsonia in the EE Grade betsy...
Knox over Ringwood in the A Reserve. GMBC by one over Panton Hill in C Grade (five peat)?. Knox over GMBC by one in C Reserve.
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Post by youloseagain on Sept 16, 2012 0:45:50 GMT 10
Good on you farnt at it again. It's just another flag to pin up in our room full of mirrors. U like to hide behind your name so I'll join u. You think we don't know who u are but that just makes it all the much sweeter when we smash your a*** and u can't get us out and just give up. What sort of message dose that give to your young kids. Oh well I guess you know what "you lose again" bahahaha. You just keep living in your lala land dick!!!!
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Post by farnt on Sept 16, 2012 8:01:41 GMT 10
No comment on what you saw youloseagain? I guess that sums up what I said was a fully accurate and fair. Not sure what you mean by giving up...Monty played well and Wats didn't - simple as that.
As for what sort of message does that send to your young kids - this is my point exactly about what happened on the field where you should lead by example. Please tell me if you saw something different on the field.
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Post by smallchange on Sept 16, 2012 17:26:50 GMT 10
[/quote] Yeah it was pretty average. Sure the runner was out of line and went through the base but this was just clumsiness and a lack of skill/inexperience. He apologised to the 2B and helped him up - they were cool but Whitey took a b-line to the third base line to make his point.
Very disappointing thing to see from a leader like David. Whilst he is probably enjoying a crownie or 16 for throwing a full game GF win (16-3 I think), I'm sure he's a little embarrased by his actions. If not, he should be.
It's E Grade David, not the ABL or an international game - not everyone knows how to slide properly. The crowd behind third ensured Dave knew it...water off a duck's back though me thinks. [/quote]
thanks farnt. there will always be two schools of thought (or maybe three or four?) about "teaching"players who step out of line, especially at lower grades where the "unwritten rules" are less known, but at least it puts the play in context where otherwise there seemed to be a suggestion that DW sucker punched (kneed) someone for no reason.
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Post by wyatt33 on Sept 16, 2012 18:24:09 GMT 10
Sounds like he did sucker knee/punch the bloke! That's how I read it anyway. Not sure if there's any other explanation.
On another point, is it a little bit odd that a bloke like d white is pitching in ee grade. If I hadn't hit as many batters as I did last week, weight have been playing that game(coulda shoulda woulda...I know). But if you've got a bloke that wants to play that standard then good luck, and congrats to gmbc!
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Post by eckersley43 on Sept 16, 2012 19:51:26 GMT 10
I'm also not from GMBC, but I can't believe those circumstaces regarding David White..not saying Farnt didn't report what he saw, but it's all in the context. If it was seen as a senior player outraged at a deliberate attack on his player, then the verdict might be different. Maybe he did over react, but "cowardly.etc" I can't buy that.
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Post by Chardy on Sept 16, 2012 21:01:44 GMT 10
:mad: Congratulations to the Heathmont Baseball Club on taking out the 2012 A Grade premiership with a 10-0 win over Research today. Heeeeeeeeeey the Penguins!!!!!! Well done boys - long time coming! Ps - doesn't surprise me at all about Whitey. Bet the other guy was a lot smaller too!!
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Post by backwardsk on Sept 16, 2012 21:05:53 GMT 10
How is not cowardly? Clumsy running from the runner at first, who then apologized to the fielder and then picked the bloke up off the deck, no ill feelings what so ever from the runner and no qualms from the fielder, play is over all good, but then whitey walks over to the bloke on the foul side of the 3rd base line and "sucker knees" him from behind
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Post by backwardsk on Sept 16, 2012 21:08:34 GMT 10
So there is no "context" just typical low grade baseball and a dog act towards a bloke playing the game he loves
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2012 22:48:38 GMT 10
Congratulations to the Heathmont Baseball Club on taking out the 2012 A Grade premiership with a 10-0 win over Research today. Heeeeeeeeeey the Penguins!!!!!! Well done boys - long time coming! Ps - doesn't surprise me at all about Whitey. Bet the other guy was a lot smaller too!! What a joke! This from a guy who believes in throwing at batters who 'do the wrong thing'. Maybe Whitey should have plugged the next batter then everything would have been OK.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2012 22:53:34 GMT 10
How is not cowardly? Clumsy running from the runner at first, who then apologized to the fielder and then picked the bloke up off the deck, no ill feelings what so ever from the runner and no qualms from the fielder, play is over all good, but then whitey walks over to the bloke on the foul side of the 3rd base line and "sucker knees" him from behind Going into second standing up, barreling the 2nd baseman and landing on top of him!!! Clumsy running eh? That's bench clearing stuff in A Grade. Maybe he should learn how to slide.
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Post by backwardsk on Sept 16, 2012 23:11:36 GMT 10
Ease up steven king, hardly barreling a bloke when he cant g faster than a slow canter . Irrespective of what happened there, people are entitled to their opinion and have a right to voice said oinion, just that there's a way to go bout it and then there's the D White way of the sneaky tip toe assault from behind, that's the issue here, which by the way no-one has said that he didnt do
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Post by perfeckt on Sept 17, 2012 7:14:15 GMT 10
I'd rather be reading some reports about how well teams and players performed in the various GF's. Here's one. Heathmont Penguins defeated Reserch Roadrunners after a hard fought season to win their first (so I'm told) A Grade flag . I bet that Shield will be taking pride of place on one of Heathmonts new clubroom walls. That's if there are any walls left after the celebrations at the Iceberg after the game.
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Post by oldmanriver on Sept 17, 2012 7:58:02 GMT 10
All this written reports from various people about the David White knees up dance, where was the umpires when all this was happening. Or does the umpiring fraternity condone this sort of behaviour in MWBL. Or was there no umpire(official) in attendence and was it umpired by a Club umpire. Forget the incident, more to the point, what did the umpire(s) do?
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Post by farnt on Sept 17, 2012 9:43:26 GMT 10
Two Blues who had a word to Whitey and the WBC coach (who was next up to bat and the type who would have taken exception to chin music Chardy - albeit he, like the runner, is also about six inches shorter than Whitey)! Not sure why a card was not even produced - maybe I had a better angle. It was only the second innnings or so and score probably 3-3.
Openeye - yes, it may have been a bench clearer in A Grade, but that is part of the problem, it is E Grade where clumsiness is somewhat allowable. There was three near all in's during the B Grade GF from a player getting hit but common sense prevailed and some quick intervention taken by experienced Blues in Dunny, Ricey and Brock and calm coaches. Intent is intent in any level of sport.
If Whitey's intent was to get a bit of agro into his teamand to get up the noses of the WBC guys then it worked. Did he get away with something he shouldn't have done - for sure.
My final word hopefully - I think it is a positive that Whitey threw in E Grade and have no problem with it at all. He wants to pitch and hit, he wants to coach in A Grade (so needs an early game to nick off), and as a club you'd rather have younger guys throw in C and C Reserve. You can't take the ball off Simon Fitz or Chris to give Whitey a throw. You stay retired a long time so play while you can. I've also got no problem with standing up for your team mates especially younger guys, but there is a right way and a wrong way - this was the wrong way.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2012 10:29:59 GMT 10
Two Blues who had a word to Whitey and the WBC coach (who was next up to bat and the type who would have taken exception to chin music Chardy - albeit he, like the runner, is also about six inches shorter than Whitey)! Not sure why a card was not even produced - maybe I had a better angle. It was only the second innnings or so and score probably 3-3. Openeye - yes, it may have been a bench clearer in A Grade, but that is part of the problem, it is E Grade where clumsiness is somewhat allowable. There was three near all in's during the B Grade GF from a player getting hit but common sense prevailed and some quick intervention taken by experienced Blues in Dunny, Ricey and Brock and calm coaches. Intent is intent in any level of sport. If Whitey's intent was to get a bit of agro into his teamand to get up the noses of the WBC guys then it worked. Did he get away with something he shouldn't have done - for sure. My final word hopefully - I think it is a positive that Whitey threw in E Grade and have no problem with it at all. He wants to pitch and hit, he wants to coach in A Grade (so needs an early game to nick off), and as a club you'd rather have younger guys throw in C and C Reserve. You can't take the ball off Simon Fitz or Chris to give Whitey a throw. You stay retired a long time so play while you can. I've also got no problem with standing up for your team mates especially younger guys, but there is a right way and a wrong way - this was the wrong way. You say it's clumsiness - I'm not so sure. From what others have said he is as slow as a wet week. If that's true, and I believe you, then what the hell is he doing going in to second standing up in the first place? Just get out of the way and let the fielder do what he has to do. Let's not forget that his actions, intentional or not, is what led to the Whitey incident. Intent may be intent but who's to say what is intentional and what isn't. What Whitey did may have been out of line, although I am not sure he kneed the bloke as has been reported. But certainly he confronted him. So if he simply hit the next batter, which is the usual response in these situations, then I'm assuming that would have been OK? The guy wasn't injured was he? He played on didn't he? The umpires did nothing because there was nothing to it. Whitey was spoken to and play on. I think your comment that " it is a positive that Whitey threw in E Grade and have no problem with it at all" is disingenuous. This is what you wrote on Sep 11: David White threw for a win in C Reserve on Saturday then he will drop back to EE grade for his regular starting spot in the GF for GMBC... Got the defending champion Monty C Reserve team into the GF and the shuffle, like Adam situation it is legal but right?
Sheep stations...Read more: www.aussiebaseball.net/index.cgi?board=bvcompetitions&action=display&thread=3261&page=2#ixzz26gKxfspOBack then you were whinging about Whitey thowing in EE grade - now you think it's a positive thing??? You're full of it and will say anything to get your point of view across. Your credibility is ZERO as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by farnt on Sept 17, 2012 11:24:30 GMT 10
Openeye I think you have made an assumption regarding my September 11 post - this was based on moving between grades especialy during finals, not the fact that he was pitching at all. The notation was related to Adam Bright dropping back to get in game time (or the like). You're off the mark I'm afraid.
When I'm Whitey's age I hope I still get to play and maybe someone will think I should play in a different grade...though I doubt it.
Whitey is obviously good enough to play higher so did for C Reserve and then dropped back to his regular EE spot. You may think my credibility is zero and I'm fine with that in your opinion. Backwardsk was obviously a close observer and has a more agressive thought about what happened. I've been clear with what I saw so please correct me if I'm wrong on the facts. GMBC players/supporters who were actually at the game don't need to comment if they don't want to which I respect. I'll even take your feedback youlose again, not that it made much sense!
Yes, no one was injured, there were umpires present, I never used the word 'knee' so comfortable with relaying what I saw and my opinion. Game went on without any real on-field niggles so credit to the players. It wasn't right - I think we all agree on that.
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Post by lardio on Sept 17, 2012 13:59:44 GMT 10
WOW, alot going on here this morning. I was at the game but arrived after the incident so cant make comment on what happened.
Congrats to all the Grand Final winners, especially Heathmont, been far too good a team for over 10 years to not have won a flag. well done to Matty G, one of the nicest blokes in baseball. Good to see Westgarth back up a good year with a flag, JP doing a great job done there from all reports.
hope the hangovers have gone and look forward to another year of winter ball in 2013.
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Post by wyatt33 on Sept 17, 2012 14:36:49 GMT 10
How they going at forest hill? All the talk at the start of the season about staying in a grade...and didn't even make the b grade finals! God there was a lot of wasted posts on that topic! Oh well always next year....
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