Start time for Finals ?

[Deleted]

Can anyone tell me why most of this Sunday Finals start at 1pm when nearly all of those grounds are available the whole afternoon ?

So a Junior Coach in the morning now says to his kids "Sorry boys you just got 'eliminated' and now that the game went a little long and I'm playing 'who knows where' I must quickly leave you and your parents and Ill see you all next season ... its been fun .... ohh and by the way please pack up the diamond for me will ya and lock the gear away for the next 6 months too" [Insert Here - screaching sound of tyres and/or puff of stones & dust as Coach's car exits the car park at 11:30 to get to who knows where by 11:45 for warm-up].

I mean a little common sense here BV PLEASE and start at 1:30 or 2pm !!

[MF]

Absolutely agree.

[farnt]

Div One Fourths start at 12 noon!

[oldmanriver]

It is just plain ridiculous the start time of the finals on Sunday, I agree with everything that has been said. Sunday morning the lad and I along with half the Cheltenham thirds and fourths are in Geelong for the U/18's and then have to disappear at a rate of knots to get to in the thirds case Malvern and in the fourths case, all the way back to Cheltenham. Just plain dumb. A 2.00pm start would have been more convienent. Oh well, just as well it is mostly freeway.

[fm2]

Too true OMR - google maps has Geelong's ground to Malvern's ground as 1 hour 10 minutes - definitely no chit-chat after the morning game ... and will still be late for warm-up for the arvo game ... and the kids in the 4s will get back to Chelt around 12.30pm for the 1pm start ... and some of the Geelong kids look like they have to get to Essendon for the 2s!
Be careful out there - lots of speed cameras on that freeway.

[aueagle30]

I'm confused... does it not occur every weekend of the season that many junior players must immediately leave their junior games to travel to a senior game?

Are you all the same people who would argue BV's judgement was poor if they played the game later in the day... people have to get up and go to work/school on Monday, how can they celebrate/commiserate when the game starts so late in the day, with no curtain-raiser, surely BV could have played the game earlier, not to mention not being a timed game and might run out of daylight to play enough innings, don't they know it gets dark earlier this time of year... or would that be another group of people with a constant axe to grind.

Honestly people, are we really so precious... I bet, if you actually cared to ask your kids what they wanted, they'd rather get to another game of baseball than stand around while their parents complained about how they didn't get enough game time and how bad the umpires were.

It's playoffs... be happy you're there, plenty aren't.

[farnt]

No, usually fourths games start at 1pm, not 12.00. The extra hour does make a difference Auseagle. I trust the frustration is clearer with this early start challenging the seconds and fourths...

[lovethegame]

If the 4s final starts at 12 noon and the juniors finish at 11:00 people will struggle to get to the game by start time let alone time to warm up. It looks like BV have now realised this and have changed the start time to 1:00. Same start time for the 4s as all year so no grounds to complain now.

[farnt]

You're on the ball!

[fm2]

You're right aueagle30, we have done it all year ... but that's because games are scheduled back-to-back at 1pm and 3.30pm for the regular season, and we just do it.
Finals aren't scheduled as double headers (correct me if I'm wrong), so I don't think it is too much to ask for a 1.30pm start.

[oldmanriver]

Nathan, be confused, but you point doesn't wash. All season some of the players from the U/18's have had the luxury of playing at 3.30pm. There is no harm in giving a bit of grace when travel is involved. Did BV take into account if the game goes over into o/t. What harm would a 2.00pm start be. I remember being down your way and the game times changed by an hour backwards. What's the difference?

[Deleted]

Feb 28, 2013 10:10:18 GMT 10 aueagle30 said:

I'm confused... does it not occur every weekend of the season that many junior players must immediately leave their junior games to travel to a senior game?

Are you all the same people who would argue BV's judgement was poor if they played the game later in the day... people have to get up and go to work/school on Monday, how can they celebrate/commiserate when the game starts so late in the day, with no curtain-raiser, surely BV could have played the game earlier, not to mention not being a timed game and might run out of daylight to play enough innings, don't they know it gets dark earlier this time of year... or would that be another group of people with a constant axe to grind.

Honestly people, are we really so precious... I bet, if you actually cared to ask your kids what they wanted, they'd rather get to another game of baseball than stand around while their parents complained about how they didn't get enough game time and how bad the umpires were.

It's playoffs... be happy you're there, plenty aren't.

I usually like reading your thought through input herein Nathan but not this time mate - it is so easy to make games start at 1:30 or 2pm and the day goes better for everyone.

The comparisons to double-header regular season game times and citing of daylight issues does not seem to be your usual rationale commonsense reasoning I must say !

We have most of our team involved in the Junior program (they are those sorts of guys that 'contribute') and they have all struggled at times to get from game to game but dont whinge as thats the way it is - but when it can be fixed and its their Finals game why wouldnt you shift it back by half an hour or an hour and let game be played by blokes that probably need a decent warm-up ?

Im pretty sure you'd be dirty if any in your squad rocked up to your Finals game 15-30 mins before game time if it didnt need to be the case.

[Deleted]

Just checked the website again and it appears that most game this Sunday (including ours) are now a 2pm start !!!!!

Fantastic news BV - my faith in common-sense decisions coming out of the office is now restored :-)

[mackem]

Still no Div 2 reserves finals up and Div 2 3rds are still 1.00pm while every other game is listed as a 2.00pm start.

[farnt]

Great, thank you BV - credit where credit due.

Doncaster v Melb 2's and 3's scheduled to be played so using their second diamond I imagine (North Balwyn's Ground)? Where are the Doncaster v Melbourne 4's playing??? Still blank.

[lovethegame]

Didn't Donc finish 3rd & Melb 4th in Dive 1 Res? Why played at Melb?

[farnt]

Even better question LTG!

[aueagle30]

To start with, games were never scheduled for noon... unsure where this information was posted or read, but I assure you noon was never considered an option for any games.

Games were originally considered as starting at 1pm... I can also assure you that times were never cemented until earlier today... a decision was taken to move the games to 2pm to avoid conflicts with junior playoffs.

My point in my previous post was that I get worn out from the amount of people on here that jump at shadows... it doesn't seem to matter what decision is made, some of you will find some problem with it... I was presenting the hypothetical points I can imagine would have been posted had BV scheduled the game later.

Almost every week I have players show up to pre-game late because of junior commitments... I wouldn't be any more concerned by it because the game is a final than I am on a weekly basis... again, we have become so d**n precious... they're kids, they want to play, they don't care about this crap, its people like us that run around finding problems with everything that make it an issue.

Yes, we have to manage them to make sure they're properly prepared, but it's no different to a player having to work and showing up late to pre-game... as a coach, you have to be prepared for any situation, and adapt the program to each individual... honestly, it's not that hard, if you can act like a grown up.

[lovethegame]

Nate, the website had the games starting at 12:00. The times were later changed and it may have only been put up there by mistake but it definately said 12:00 for the Div 1 4s.

[The Puma]

[aueagle30]

Thanks LOTG... I assure you this was an error... it was never discussed to have games start at 12:00pm, but 1:00pm.

[Deleted]

'Jump at shadows' ... 'so d**n precious' .. ' they dont care about this crap' .. 'act like a grown up'.

And you reckon we over react, actually I usually try to be optimistic in these matters and once raised it was fixed so 'none of the above' Nathan.

So why is it so hard for you to say that this was a good positive outcome following the matter being raised ? rather YOU somehwta hypocritically go back and dredge up negative crap (see above) that is not really evident in this Thread Id have thought.

And yes our club did contact BV earlier/yday to ask that the game time be changed and got told NO 'because this is the way we do it' - hence my post herein.

[The Puma]

There are still 4 division 2 games listed to start at 12 this Saturday. Surely this is also wrong?

[aueagle30]

Feb 28, 2013 13:31:41 GMT 10 lovethegame said:

Didn't Donc finish 3rd & Melb 4th in Dive 1 Res? Why played at Melb?

According to the website...

Reserves
Doncaster (3rd) v Melbourne (4th) @ Doncaster

Thirds
Doncaster (1st) v Melbourne (2nd) @ Melbourne (due to the Reserves game being hosted at Doncaster)

Fourths
Melbourne (3rd) v Doncaster (4th) @ Neutral Venue (due to both Melbourne and Doncaster having scheduled games)

While both clubs do have second fields, these fields are not available as neither the Thirds or Fourths played games on these fields during the regular season, as per Playing Condition 18 a-c... www.vicsummerleague.baseball.com.au/site/baseball/vicsummerleague/downloads/2012%20Playing%20Conditions/Section%202%2020120924.pdf

[scam]

They better not change the division 2 games now Puma.
I have asked Baseball Vic on no fewer than 3 occasions over the last 3 months (first time was in December) about this weekend and next weekends game times (and this did originally include the first game back after Christmas which was also a Firsts only game) however did not receive a response to my direct questions.

Our club coach (also a firsts player) has since accepted a wedding invitation later in the afternoon due to the scheduling as it stands and has remained unchanged since fixtures were released.

[lovethegame]

Nate, it looks as though whoever is posting times and venues on the website are being a bit quick on the enter key before checking it.

The venue for the Donc v Melb 2s definately said at Melb. It has since been corrected.

[farnt]

Yes, LTG - we're going to start having to take screen dumps to support our 'case'.

Sanity will prevail I'm sure...I'm going to do some work now and check tomorrow!

[aueagle30]

Authentic, I've become weary of the constant griping... My patience has worn thin... Not from you specifically, but generally... if I've over-reacted, I apologise.

[aueagle30]

LOTG, I believe you... no need to poop on your screen???

[Deleted]

The main thing is that all Sunday finals are now scheduled to start at the same sensible time (2.00 PM).

Thankfully I have nothing to do with BV scheduling, but anyone who has been involved with Competition Management on this system will know that there are default start times set for games before an actual time has been manually nominated.

The default start time is 12.00. It can also be 1.00 PM if a season draw (EG for seconds) has been set with that particular start time and the time has not subsequently been changed manually on the system.

In hindsight, BV would have been well-advised to state unambiguously that all senior Sunday finals were going to start at 2.00 or 1.30 or 1.00 PM (whatever was to be the case), but to also stress that the schedule might not reflect that until someone had manually - one by one, across a lot of games - made the changes required for each grade.

In the end, we seem to have reached the desired outcome.

Well done and best wishes to all teams playing in finals series.