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Post by acesrules on Jan 30, 2011 16:19:15 GMT 10
Agree with you to a point Billy but I thought a group of spectators crossed the line, especially last night. Why a group of 20 people would simply go to the baseball and spend 95% of their energy denegrating Melbourne players and 5% supporting their own is beyond me. One even had the temerity to throw something in the very near vicinity of the Aces bullpen coach after the game, this, after one of the Aces relievers had personally handed his mate sitting two seats away from him a foul ball. Some of the abuse in game one, less than 24 hours after Australia Day, was puzzling. Funny how many of the same people who would have been cheering David Hussey's wickets at the Adelaide Oval on the 26th were loudly calling an Aces pitcher a type of sex act on the 27th. The $3 beer for a strike out for a certain player to me flies in the face of all the responsible serving of alcohol regulations and funding from like foundations that our sport get. Yes, it gets the crowd involved, but it also gets them drunk on a hot evening like last night, and when their's no limits for the crowd to stick to, then away they go. I flew in from melb to watch that game and i was sitting behind the Aces supporters near the bench. You guys were just as disgusting. Yelling abuse and it seemed that you were 95% focused on them. I had my daughter with me and was ashamed by the swearing and abuse coming from you. You guys were worse then them. Also i think you guys need to get your facts straight too.. they were supporting their team, but when it came down to the wire the beer over the fence wasnt the best of ideas.. However great crowd loved the atmosphere.. Adelaide really know how to produce a great time. We'll get em next year.. Go the Aces
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Post by kewldewd on Jan 30, 2011 16:27:34 GMT 10
if you want to suck the life out of what is a great atmosphere at norwood, then go right ahead and watch the crowd numbers tumble. this isn't a primary school tee-ball competition, its a professional sports league and its the inter-club rivalries and vibrant atmosphere that will be a big factor in bringing in new supporters. This new ABL has huge potential, but if the fun police want to bring in draconian, nanny state measures then it will help bury it right next to the old league.
if you are worried about drunken behaviour at the games then designate a dry zone or a dedicated family area. but please don't fill the stadium with overzealous security guards and kill off the lively atmosphere because a handful of old timers and squares can't deal with a few four letter words being shouted at the opposition.
and if the players can't take take the heat then they can go back to the state league.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2011 17:31:54 GMT 10
if you want to suck the life out of what is a great atmosphere at norwood, then go right ahead and watch the crowd numbers tumble. this isn't a primary school tee-ball competition, its a professional sports league and its the inter-club rivalries and vibrant atmosphere that will be a big factor in bringing in new supporters. This new ABL has huge potential, but if the fun police want to bring in draconian, nanny state measures then it will help bury it right next to the old league. if you are worried about drunken behaviour at the games then designate a dry zone or a dedicated family area. but please don't fill the stadium with overzealous security guards and kill off the lively atmosphere because a handful of old timers and squares can't deal with a few four letter words being shouted at the opposition. and if the players can't take take the heat then they can go back to the state league. I reckon about 25% of your post has merit and the rest is the very misguided crap that will only ensure that this game will not be a game that ones takes their family too for an enjoyable night at the Park (see MLB) ..if you want to behave like you seem to want to behave (and seemingly justify) then wait till Winter and go to a Port Power game ! And Acesrules who are you aiming at ?
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Post by Chardy on Jan 30, 2011 21:23:01 GMT 10
Kewldewd -
So you think that obscene abuse should be tolerated because it provides atmosphere? I take it that the intellectual level of these clowns providing this wonderful atmosphere is incredibly low given they can't come up with anything better than being obscene.
Now tell me, where does it end? I believe the Bite have a black player don't they? Let's say that some of the Aces crowd were at a similar level to your crowd and decided that they might take a different route to being obscene to said player? Shall we then tell him to harden up as he is a professional and we are only providing some quality atmosphere?
If I am sitting in the bullpen and someone comes up with something amusing directed toward me - I'll laugh and most likely tip my cap. If the best he can come up with is obscene language, I'll enjoy knowing that there are still people in this world that collect my rubbish and keep the toilets clean at the local shopping centre.
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Post by The Joker on Jan 31, 2011 9:52:15 GMT 10
in defence of the bite management they have set the standard this year with all the KPI's that peter wermuth has asked of the general managers, ie, gate revenue, sponsorship dollars, marketing, food & beverage revenue etc. While the 'he said, she said' discussion going on at the moment is rivetting (NOT), I'm more interested in this comment about league KPIs. What were they? Are they the right ones? What will/should they be next season?
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Post by pirates on Jan 31, 2011 10:20:04 GMT 10
hmmmmmm there must be something missing here since when is it ok to abuse anybody in a vile way and start throwing things around at anybody let alone players. We are trying to encourage a family atmosphere and you have clowns swearing their heads off. All for good smart banter…..just lucky that a certain aces coach was not the bullpen coach other wise history may have repeated it self….story has it one very vocal spectator went that little to far with vic player, only to lose a fair bit of interest between digs when he found himself face to face with his target when the player took a detour over the fence. A few pleasantries exchanged and seems all worked out and once the spectator was re-educated he dusted himself off it all worked out. Not saying that this is the way to handle things but there is the potential for spectators to end up confronting each other. We had one of our players there and he came back saying the crowd was terrible, I did not think much about it until I heard from others that were at the ground. This player is an international Japanese player and the last thing we want is a bad reputation internationally.
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Post by Ace on Jan 31, 2011 11:42:41 GMT 10
2 points:
1. there should be a dry area at every sporting event. not sure about the legal standpoint of that, but from a marketing standpoint, it is a must for families.
2. there is nothing wrong with abuse so long as it is clever and intellectual - the issue being taken here is that it was not. vulgar lanuage doesn't add atmosphere. heckling can, provided it is humourous. the less based in toilet humour the better.
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Post by stuartcapel on Jan 31, 2011 12:01:06 GMT 10
Pirates, the incident you speak of, did it happen in Adelaide this past series?
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Post by bballfan on Jan 31, 2011 13:19:57 GMT 10
Hey chardy, i quote your reference of "what would happen" if the Aces supporters started to use language towards a Black player.... well guess what... Your supporters already beat you too that! Again in last years Claxton final. David Washington was subject to hours of racial abusive from ACES supportes behind the centre field fence... So you already beat us to that one.
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Post by madball on Jan 31, 2011 16:14:50 GMT 10
I think this has been blown way out of proportion. I'm guessing you guys sat next to the "Bite Brigade"? I stand near them on Coopers Hill the average age looks like 19... they are no where near as bad as soccer or port fans. I don't find their behaviour bad at all! They go to every game and spend 95% of the time blowing vuvuzela and hitting cowbells and 5% mocking a player about his last name. They do swear but so do players on the field i would hardly say they spend their whole time hurling abuse to the oppostion! Throwing things is way over the line! I didn't see it but would have stepped in and slapped some wrists. What did he throw? Where did it hit him? Is he Alright? If it was so BAD why didn't anyone go find a security guard? There is only one way to shut them up and Melbourne a yet to do that at Norwood Oval!! It looks like Canberra have had the same problem, read the comments: www.theroar.com.au/2011/01/24/a-case-of-the-blues-for-canberra-in-abl/here is some good footage of the series! web.theabl.com.au/media/video.jsp?sid=l595
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Post by pirates on Jan 31, 2011 16:45:54 GMT 10
Pirates, the incident you speak of, did it happen in Adelaide this past series? no many years ago when the coach was a player.....very funny ;D some people shouldn't play with fire or you might get burnt.
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Post by Chardy on Jan 31, 2011 18:30:25 GMT 10
Hey chardy, i quote your reference of "what would happen" if the Aces supporters started to use language towards a Black player.... well guess what... Your supporters already beat you too that! Again in last years Claxton final. David Washington was subject to hours of racial abusive from ACES supportes behind the centre field fence... So you already beat us to that one. Nothing was done about it? You are telling me the player didn't complain to the team or other players?? I was on the right field line otherwise I would have been one of the first to tell them to pull their heads in.
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Post by pakkyp on Feb 1, 2011 10:40:42 GMT 10
Hey chardy, i quote your reference of "what would happen" if the Aces supporters started to use language towards a Black player.... well guess what... Your supporters already beat you too that! Again in last years Claxton final. David Washington was subject to hours of racial abusive from ACES supportes behind the centre field fence... So you already beat us to that one. Nothing was done about it? You are telling me the player didn't complain to the team or other players?? I was on the right field line otherwise I would have been one of the first to tell them to pull their heads in. Didn't hear about this either... Crowds were tame in my opinion at the games I went to last year. The only ragging of players I recall was the SS from the Patriots series who kept on making errors, so a few of us kept reminding him, no foul language required.
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Post by wyatt33 on Feb 1, 2011 12:20:58 GMT 10
Let's be honest! Are we really that surprised by the behaviour of Adelaide folk. This is a city that provides spit screens at the footy to protect the umpires and players. We know they're a different breed. Just head to alberton oval to watch a game of sanfl. My ex brother in law played there and it was frightening! So this sort of behaviour is probably part of they're genetic make up. Plus they have a massive inferiority complex regarding melburne and Victoria. Ever since they lost the grand prix, they have been stewing over it. Let them enjoy they're victory on the weekend, because deep down they all know the painful truth! They are south Australians!
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Post by bballfan on Feb 1, 2011 17:17:35 GMT 10
hahaha thats a good one Whyatt33 so many jokes in there that have been around since well... forever! but since you have professionaly diagnosed why the SA fans behave the way they did, can you enlighten the rest of us as to the behaviour of the Victorian fans? And talking about inferiority isnt Victoria the smallest state on the mainland??? little man sydrome comes to mind for some reason... :-0 And you talk about us losing the Grand Prix... havent you read that F1 Boss Bernie Ecclestone wants to cancel the GP in Victoria??? must not be doing a very good job over ps: Talk about frightening.. Alberton Oval / Port Adelaide has nothing compared to the Collingwood supporters/games...
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Post by Chardy on Feb 1, 2011 17:56:26 GMT 10
Someone got an "A" in geography in primary school didn't they? Does mum still have it up on the fridge to show how proud she is?
And who (except Tasmanians) calls it "the mainland" anyways???
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Post by bballfan on Feb 1, 2011 18:52:31 GMT 10
A+ to be honest, with a gold star next to it...
And i did make reference to the term "mainland" cause if i said australia, someone like yourself would have made reference to Tasmainia being smaller... so i used that term to take Tasmaina out of the picture... :-)
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Post by pakkyp on Feb 1, 2011 18:56:43 GMT 10
A+ to be honest, with a gold star next to it... And i did make reference to the term "mainland" cause if i said australia, someone like yourself would have made reference to Tasmainia being smaller... so i used that term to take Tasmaina out of the picture... :-) that and we all know that South Australians are tasmanians that made it ashore and survived the removal of one head to fit in with society
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Post by moose on Feb 1, 2011 19:27:13 GMT 10
At the Show grounds, apart from a very small members area (Admirals club) with a beer type garden located quite some distance from the action, the rest of the ground is alcohol free. You can't purchase, bring into the ground or consume alcohol anywhere other than at the admirals club bar. Many want a change, so as to be able to consume alcohol purchased at the ground anywhere in the ground. Me I like a drink, usually Jimmy and coke. But I support the current rules as I've found over the years that its the drunken idiots that soon turn family's away with their boorish, loutish behavior. As we are trying to attract families to games do we really need to take the risk? Neil W
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Post by madball on Feb 1, 2011 19:51:24 GMT 10
Yeah Adelaide the back water! Man i can't wait till we catch up to Melbourne! There is so much to look forward to- a shoebox, hacked up, equestrian, cow paddock for a “ball park“ with shipping containers for a wall. How awsome will it be when we get more bone head security that confiscate foul balls off kids. Oh and exspensive beer that you can't take to your seat. $10 parking, free cap promises, no internet stream and well yeah i think you get the idea.
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Post by pakkyp on Feb 1, 2011 19:56:58 GMT 10
Yeah Adelaide the back water! Man i can't wait till we catch up to Melbourne! There is so much to look forward to- a shoebox, hacked up, equestrian, cow paddock for a “ball park“ with shipping containers for a wall. How awsome will it be when we get more bone head security that confiscate foul balls off kids. Oh and exspensive beer that you can't take to your seat. $10 parking, free cap promises, no internet stream and well yeah i think you get the idea. and yet the drooling freaks from South Australia are still jealous of everything we have...
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Post by texasleaguer on Feb 1, 2011 19:58:23 GMT 10
At the Show grounds, apart from a very small members area (Admirals club) with a beer type garden located quite some distance from the action, the rest of the ground is alcohol free. You can't purchase, bring into the ground or consume alcohol anywhere other than at the admirals club bar. Many want a change, so as to be able to consume alcohol purchased at the ground anywhere in the ground. Me I like a drink, usually Jimmy and coke. But I support the current rules as I've found over the years that its the drunken idiots that soon turn family's away with their boorish, loutish behavior. As we are trying to attract families to games do we really need to take the risk? Neil W I like your post moose. I like a drink or 3 at games also, most of us do i'm sure. Moving forward for all ABL franchises if It was my job to make the rule : Members areas allow alcohol entire game.General admission is alcohol free except for a designated controlled area which cut off drinks after the end of 7.
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Post by Goblin on Feb 3, 2011 10:32:46 GMT 10
Thread Closed.
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