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Post by Goblin on Dec 11, 2010 22:17:23 GMT 10
They announced tonight the the 2 washout games of the Aces Vs Cavs will now be combined with the Aces Vs Bandits series.
The Aces have now got game against the on Cavs on Sunday the 19th and Mon the 20th followed by Games Vs Bandits on Tues 21st, Wed 22nd and Thurs 23th (all at the showgrounds)
The Aces have are now been forced to play 5 days in a row. (6 games in total)
So much for club ball. It is now obvious that the ABL does not give a hoot about local ball as they again schedule matches against local ball.
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Post by wheezer on Dec 11, 2010 22:51:40 GMT 10
That is a crapload of baseball!
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Post by trober on Dec 12, 2010 12:34:06 GMT 10
What exactly is your concern here Goblin? Is it a crowd drawing issue or is it clubs loosing players to the aces?
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Post by jcharles on Dec 12, 2010 13:40:57 GMT 10
Club baseball is a concern I reckon, trober.
The D1 teams are being decimated by the National Comp. Imagine having your 6 best players not available consistently. Its the difference between making finals and not.
I fully support the National League, believe me I do, but not to the demise of club ball. It's only early days but I believe scheduling needs to be looked at so the best players are available for their clubs.
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Post by JRA on Dec 12, 2010 15:17:21 GMT 10
Guess it tests the depth of clubs in their lower division seniors and juniors?
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Post by Goblin on Dec 12, 2010 17:05:44 GMT 10
What exactly is your concern here Goblin? Is it a crowd drawing issue or is it clubs loosing players to the aces? Speaking from an Essendon perspective, clubs loosing players to the ABL. Throw in some injuries and it makes life tough. And as evident by todays Aces double header, club baseball being played equals poor attendance. They announced todays figure as 900 +. Absolute BS, it would have struggled to be half that.
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Post by oldracer on Dec 12, 2010 17:09:08 GMT 10
Club baseball is a concern I reckon, trober. The D1 teams are being decimated by the National Comp. Imagine having your 6 best players not available consistently. Its the difference between making finals and not. I fully support the National League, believe me I do, but not to the demise of club ball. It's only early days but I believe scheduling needs to be looked at so the best players are available for their clubs. JC, not so sure the players would think the same way, sure they love their clubs but I'm sure every one of them would want to play at the highest level they can, consistantly. I think you have even said that yourself. It will take a bit of time but clubs will learn to take up the slack. Not sure its no different to clubs having many talented younguns away at college or the pro's, it's not their best lineup but it's the best they got at the time which is what the competition should be judged on. Some teams might have 2,3 or 4 in the Aces but some clubs have 6 or 7 players not in their firsts due to injury or o'seas commitments, who is more disadvantaged, surely the latter. More players experiencing the upper level for each club is to their long term benefit, maybe not for the "win now" mentality but I will tell you now certain clubs will be far better off in the future because of the experience their kids get at that level now but also when their o'seas players get back to the fold and spread their experience throughout the club.
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Post by Chardy on Dec 12, 2010 18:11:32 GMT 10
Goblin - come on, are you serious?
How is it any different to the 1's taking preference over the 2's at any club?
Just like the AFL wouldn't take club football into consideration when scheduling games.
And it's losing.
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Post by oldracer on Dec 12, 2010 18:31:39 GMT 10
On a more definitive note, the only way it should make life hard for any club is if they physically don't have enough players to make up the numbers, quality of those players and results really shouldn't come in to it.
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Post by mc15 on Dec 12, 2010 19:36:23 GMT 10
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Speaking from an Essendon perspective, clubs loosing players to the ABL. Throw in some injuries and it makes life tough.
And as evident by todays Aces double header, club baseball being played equals poor attendance. They announced todays figure as 900 +. Absolute BS, it would have struggled to be half that.
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Bit of creative freedom there Goblin. The annouced and displayed 750 something on the scoreboard, not 900+.
To be honest, there were almost two different crowds today. A lot of people who went to the first game did not stick round for the second and vise versa. I have to admit, there is no way there were 750 there at one time, but over the day? Maybe
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Post by Goblin on Dec 12, 2010 20:33:33 GMT 10
Speaking from an Essendon perspective, clubs loosing players to the ABL. Throw in some injuries and it makes life tough. And as evident by todays Aces double header, club baseball being played equals poor attendance. They announced todays figure as 900 +. Absolute BS, it would have struggled to be half that. [/quote] Bit of creative freedom there Goblin. The annouced and displayed 750 something on the scoreboard, not 900+. To be honest, there were almost two different crowds today. A lot of people who went to the first game did not stick round for the second and vise versa. I have to admit, there is no way there were 750 there at one time, but over the day? Maybe [/quote] I'm happy to stand corrected on the final number announced as my ears are as old as my brain and they don't always work in harmony.
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Post by Goblin on Dec 12, 2010 20:40:50 GMT 10
Goblin - come on, are you serious? How is it any different to the 1's taking preference over the 2's at any club? Just like the AFL wouldn't take club football into consideration when scheduling games. And it's losing. No I am not serious, I'm goblin. And yes, I cannot spel, oops there I go again. I will try to spell it correctly next time.
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Post by mc15 on Dec 12, 2010 20:59:44 GMT 10
You're fine mate
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Post by stockley on Dec 12, 2010 21:55:31 GMT 10
Goblin - come on, are you serious? How is it any different to the 1's taking preference over the 2's at any club? Just like the AFL wouldn't take club football into consideration when scheduling games. And it's losing. How dare you bring common sense into this argument Chardy!!! Hell, we should make sure that the ABL isn't competing with our senior ranks. Move baseball to Saturday's. Oh no! Lots of Div 1 games on Saturdays now! Not to mention girls baseball! Better move it. How about Thursday nights? Can't - training! Wednesday's? Midweek games, Mondays? Masters. Ahh hell... its all to hard! Lets just cancel the whole league, so we don't affect what we already have!
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Post by wearnie52 on Dec 12, 2010 22:16:31 GMT 10
Makes it hard for the boys who work full time, and then play for the Aces on top of it. Not so bad for the likes of Huber, etc, but games from Monday to Thursday when a lot of the players work a full time job is a bit tough also.
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Post by Chardy on Dec 12, 2010 22:33:52 GMT 10
How is it any different to the old ABL when guys had jobs back then?
Or even school?
I guess the other option is we fly out Americans, Japanese, Koreans etc and none of our boys play in the ABL? They can go back to their jobs and back to playing Div 1 BV.....
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Post by trober on Dec 13, 2010 6:04:10 GMT 10
Stockley, you took the words right out of my mouth. If the ABL has to worry about local comps they will never get a game played. Clubs who have high representation need to have their second tier guys step up, just like in the old ABL days.
On the issue of crowds, Im pretty sure the ABL wont be expecting large crowds when local games are being played, they just need to get the games in
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Post by Ace on Dec 13, 2010 7:40:24 GMT 10
I was under the impression that the games would be played Thurs-Sat. Other states have Thursday night ABL. Not sure if that was ever the plan here or if I was just mistaken.
Thurs Fri and Sat (double header) would alleviate Goblin's concerns. Crowds though wouldn't differ from Thursday night to Sunday.
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Post by wearnie52 on Dec 13, 2010 7:53:19 GMT 10
If the old ABL played games Monday through Thursday, then it's no different Chardy.
And i'm not suggesting it is different. Would have been hard back then too.
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Post by stuartcapel on Dec 13, 2010 7:54:45 GMT 10
The Sunday game is a 4pm start, which is decent, however the Monday game is scheduled to be a midday game according to the Aces website.
Is that correct?
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Post by hightower on Dec 14, 2010 11:16:38 GMT 10
I heard Windsor Knox on SEN and he said the 12.00 game was to try and utilise school holidays attendence. Much like how day games in the states are used. I also like the idea of $12 2 game pass for these 2 games. Flexibility in pricing is a great idea. Not sure if it was ever like that in the old ABL. It's kinda like what they do in the US if there is a rained off game and they have a double header for one ticket.
LC51
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Post by Diesel on Dec 14, 2010 13:36:04 GMT 10
What exactly is your concern here Goblin? Is it a crowd drawing issue or is it clubs loosing players to the aces? Speaking from an Essendon perspective, clubs loosing players to the ABL. Throw in some injuries and it makes life tough. Waverley last weekend found it tough with 21 players missing due to work on Saturday(Div 2 games), Injuries and ABL selection
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Post by The Joker on Dec 14, 2010 14:14:58 GMT 10
Speaking from an Essendon perspective, clubs loosing players to the ABL. Throw in some injuries and it makes life tough. Waverley last weekend found it tough with 21 players missing due to work on Saturday(Div 2 games), Injuries and ABL selection I know a number of players who are sitting out Summer due to commitment issues. Perhaps it is time for clubs to start contacting and stockpiling some of these guys to act as true reserves/emergencies for these situations?
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Post by larry42 on Dec 14, 2010 15:05:25 GMT 10
Probably have to ask club secretaries this or each clubs myclub operator, but i wonder what the senior numbers are at clubs this year in comparison to say the last two years?
How many clubs are affected?
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Post by wyatt33 on Dec 14, 2010 17:00:44 GMT 10
Diesel, your div2 1's and 2's dint have any blokes old enough to be working! Or is that your excuse for such a poor day?
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Post by The Jack on Dec 14, 2010 17:48:03 GMT 10
WOW! As someone who was never considered to be good enough to play every day baseball in the states, I would look at the opportunity to play 5 days in a row in the ABL a great experience. It is kind of like playing at nationals again!! Bring that on!!
Agree with The Joker here as well, we all know a few guys we play with or against over winter who are not playing that could easily 'fill in', probably a bit rude to play in the firsts, but in the seconds maybe or even just to fill in numbers in the lower grades. Make a call.
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Post by Diesel on Dec 15, 2010 11:45:16 GMT 10
Diesel, your div2 1's and 2's dint have any blokes old enough to be working! Or is that your excuse for such a poor day? grow up.
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Post by wyatt33 on Dec 15, 2010 11:54:11 GMT 10
No pity here in regards to poor old waverly struggling! Greed might be starting to bite you in the bum!
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Post by Diesel on Dec 15, 2010 12:41:16 GMT 10
No pity here in regards to poor old waverly struggling! Greed might be starting to bite you in the bum! Let's chat when your club moves up to Div1 and plays Waverley....
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Post by wyatt33 on Dec 15, 2010 12:50:07 GMT 10
One day!
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