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2018/19
Nov 25, 2018 20:16:52 GMT 10
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Post by krystalclear on Nov 25, 2018 20:16:52 GMT 10
History would tells us that given the spmewhat iceberg pace our game moves at it seems too late to start this conversation for the NEXT season but I'll throw it out there anyhow.
Why do we need clubs to have 4 sides in Div 1 and 2? Is there some historical reason? Could the state not have 5 or 6 divisions that require only a 1st and 2nd IX? Clubs could submit teams into whichever division they feel they would be most competitive in. If a club has 4 really strong sides then by all means they can submit into Div 1 and 2 ect. Each division could be capped, 8 teams??
I'd be interested to hear from people who have been involved with BV, not necessarily staff, rather, the volunteers from clubs in the past as to why the league persists in halving 4 side divisons.
Surely SCHEDULING CONFLICTS should not be an acceptable reason...?
Thanks, KC
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2018/19
Nov 25, 2018 20:22:29 GMT 10
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Post by krystalclear on Nov 25, 2018 20:22:29 GMT 10
Not THAT KC...😁
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2018/19
Nov 25, 2018 20:30:09 GMT 10
Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 20:30:09 GMT 10
Phew, I'm glad you let me off the hook there, krystalclear.... Baseball administrators seem to hate my guts as it is...... ....funny, really, since I was a baseball admin myself for some decades. That is an excellent topic for discussion.
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2018/19
Nov 26, 2018 7:42:30 GMT 10
Post by lonewolf75 on Nov 26, 2018 7:42:30 GMT 10
I think the MWBL tried that a few years back but have reverted back to a four team A grade set up. I would like to know why as I agree with Krystal, having teams playing in sections based on the strength of the team would hopefully mean more competitive games and less blow outs. That has to be better for all doesnt it?
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2018/19
Nov 26, 2018 19:31:46 GMT 10
Post by bobby on Nov 26, 2018 19:31:46 GMT 10
I like that teams have to have 4 sides to enter Div 1 and 2. I am now based in the UK and the teams here only have to have 1 team to play in the top division, it means teams are not developing juniors to come through and there is no club culture.
I wouldn't want that to change, it is great to be able to see clubs with generations of families playing or being involved at the same time.
Just my two cents worth.
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2018/19
Nov 27, 2018 7:41:46 GMT 10
Post by mackem on Nov 27, 2018 7:41:46 GMT 10
Actually you only need 3 senior sides for div 2 but need 4 sides if you want to gain promotion to div 1.
The same applies to div 3 you need 3 senior sides to gain promotion to div 2.
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2018/19
Nov 27, 2018 8:35:17 GMT 10
Post by authentic on Nov 27, 2018 8:35:17 GMT 10
A discussion well worth having. My 10c worth is that the current structure seeks to oblige strength/depth (sort of) through the Club (and good/responsible clubs take this need to for depth seriously) and that turns into a better pathway for promising players to develop and aspire. That said, there is a lack of depth in many clubs atm (I actually think the standard of ball and depth of clubs has dropped off this past decade). But I'd keep the Div-1 4 team structure and Div-2 3-4 team structure etc. Winter ball shows how some clubs if they have the option will (exploit) submit teams into a Grade they will probably win where 1s teams plays 3s and 4s teams and spoil it for the season for the rest.
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2018/19
Nov 27, 2018 9:33:12 GMT 10
Post by lonewolf75 on Nov 27, 2018 9:33:12 GMT 10
I do believe the team/junior criteria is relevant for the 1st and magoos to qualify to play particular division, I just dont think it should drive the grading of the other teams.
What if clubs still have the team criteria but rather than the 3's and 4's of clubs being lumped together that they are drawn to play other teams based on their strength, skill. Wouldnt it be better for improvement all round that a Div 2 3rd side who is strong could play against div 1 thirds, and on the flip side, a div 1's fourth side, made up of dads and kids say, that arent strong would play against similar strength teams rather than being in a section based on where the first are graded.
I remember back in the day many lopsided thrashings in Div 1 3rd and 4th games and always wondering if new players walked away from the game because of it.
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2018/19
Nov 27, 2018 16:24:26 GMT 10
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Post by coyote on Nov 27, 2018 16:24:26 GMT 10
Our club lost players for the recent winter competition due to having to field 4 sides in Div1. 2 seasons ago our A3 side were continually beaten quite easily and players got sick of it pretty quickly and didn’t come back. Our A4 side was a development side with majority being juniors, but most of them didn’t want to play 2 games for the season just past. Last season we had A and A Grade and C Reserve
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2018/19
Dec 4, 2018 12:57:08 GMT 10
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Post by wyatt33 on Dec 4, 2018 12:57:08 GMT 10
My opinion is that it’s importamt to have 4 teams for first div. I thi k it should probably be the same for second, but I don’t think the game is strong enough at the moment. The rule to allow players to play both 4’s and 3’s back to back without waiting isn’t good. What I’m finding is there are teams in doc 2 4’s that are very good, then I watch the 3’s and a lot of the time there are 5 and 6 blokes backing up. They tend to run out of puff and get beaten. We’re luck this year we have very good numbers. Not great depth but good numbers. We’ve got 13 regularly in the 4’s and 11/12 in the 3’s. there’s alway blokes missing so we’re happy with our numbers. But I don’t know if the auto reentry is a great idea for building club numbers. You sit on your hands and don’t actively recruit because you don’t have to. Or that’s my perception. I also think that junior players shouldn’t move clubs when enticed by the prospect of being coached by a rep coach. It’s not a great way to promote better competition when all the kids go too the clubs with representative coaches. The league should only let junior(and by junior I think 12’s and 14’s) should only change clubs due to family commitments or the club doesn’t have enough kids. And then they kids should only be released on a permit incase numbers improve the next year! My two cents
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