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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 22:08:32 GMT 10
Not a great deal of fanfare (here or elsewhere) leading into the new season, which starts with senior competitions on Sunday 30 September.
What do you have?
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Post by The Puma on Sept 29, 2018 10:36:47 GMT 10
Anyone else unable to pay their rego? Put in my email and password, the screen loads then just boots me back to the log in screen again. Tried 3 seperate times now.
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Post by mackem on Sept 29, 2018 16:41:03 GMT 10
Anyone else unable to pay their rego? Put in my email and password, the screen loads then just boots me back to the log in screen again. Tried 3 seperate times now. Try "Forgot Password" So far from my club no-one has any problems.
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Post by stuartcapel on Sept 29, 2018 21:08:17 GMT 10
I saw Port Melbourne announce Darryl George as a Mariners player.
There used to be a page for clearances and the like. Does that still exist?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 22:44:37 GMT 10
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 20:49:12 GMT 10
This Forum has only ever been in existence to serve the needs and the interests of our baseball community. What can we infer from the lack of recent responses in this place - especially at the start of a new Summer League season?
A. the Forum is tired and has outlived its relevance (we suggested that might be the case a couple of years ago): or
B. Baseball Victoria and Melbourne Aces are providing the (apparently very modest) level of timely and comprehensive website/social media coverage and professional management expertise that is required by their stakeholders: or
C. While either or both might be a factor, we no longer have the energy nor the time to engage in discussion, criticism and spirited interchange about what is, after all, a game.....one in which the overwhelming majority of us pay to be involved, in one sense or another.
Maybe it is our Australian version of the sport that has become tired. Perhaps that is reflected in the apparent lack of passionate online engagement with our sports administrators and associated employees.
There might be a myriad of explanations, if that is the case.
No agenda, here. I am not affiliated with any particular club(s) these days. I am just interested in how grassroots baseball is travelling and how Victorian and Australian baseball clubs view their relationship with governing bodies within their own current concerns and expectations.
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Post by thesnout on Oct 15, 2018 6:47:23 GMT 10
Here's one for the lilywhites. A certain club in the south east won't be getting umpires because the poor men in blue have no where to drop their strides and get changed. If it was good enough in the winter for these same men to umpire down there, why not now. Questions have to asked and answered. After all the clubs get billed for the privilege of an umpire turning up. So far out of three games we have had only seen an umpire once.
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Post by enricopalazzo on Oct 15, 2018 10:41:46 GMT 10
A certain club in the south east won't be getting umpires because the poor men in blue have no where to drop their strides and get changed. If it was good enough in the winter for these same men to umpire down there, why not now. Questions have to asked and answered. After all the clubs get billed for the privilege of an umpire turning up. So far out of three games we have had only seen an umpire once. Not sure how to address this comment. We’ll be back after talking to our middle school children about how they answer petty digs
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Post by player on Oct 15, 2018 20:41:04 GMT 10
Might not be much happening here, and not much either in Baseball Victoria media - which looks like it has at least one staff member listed to the job. Seriously, just admin notices, scores (that are available on the system anyway) and a meaningless, generic one or two sentences - if we're lucky - on games played in some cases days ago?? If we get that at all! Is this what we pay for and deserve as clubs? Is it really what the league has come to?
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Post by fuzzy on Oct 16, 2018 18:32:20 GMT 10
KC I think your right regarding the lack of energy to contribute, discuss etc. maybe I'm just getting old but the things we debated about 10 years ago are still happening ie. poor fixtures, non-national players (6 months winter makes you an aussie), BV wanting to charge local schools when we do a junior clinic to try and attract junior players, lack of media wrap-up of the previous round etc.
I've noticed in the last 4-5 years our office bearers are baling out after 2-3 years, where as in the past they were more likely to do 8-10 years or longer, speaking to a recently retired Secretary he cited dealing with BV and to a lesser extent local Council was just too hard.
I think Club baseball life would be a lot easier for players and officials if for example Div 1 which has 12 teams, you play each team twice, home and away, 22 games no mid-week games. Food for thought.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 19:21:53 GMT 10
Great to hear from you, fuzzy - one of the finest club baseball people in this state and probably anywhere else!
We are all getting older, although that is just part of the equation. Your comment about club administrators getting out after only a few years is well made. While there are exceptions, I expect that is a phenomenon we are seeing across the board - especially with people who are involved in baseball for 12 months of the year.
Having said that, and taking into account an earlier negative comment in this thread, some clubs (especially, but not just in BV Division One) are doing a bloody magnificent job with their junior programmes, their social media and their internal club reporting and coverage. Sandy is one of those clubs, as are Berwick, Blackburn, Fitzroy, Geelong, Springvale, Sunshine and Essendon among plenty of others.
And of course there are Victorian winter leagues and clubs that also pride themselves on providing the best possible service to members within their own unique constraints.
A fundamental key to all that is strong leadership within leagues/clubs and a capacity to engage committed members and supporters. But no club, or no volunteer, should be expected to work in a vacuum without inevitably becoming burned out and disillusioned over time.
While I could be wrong (as I have been many times before in this life), I just have the sense that our paid governing bodies are not consistently applying the same levels of passion, diligence, professionalism and attention to detail that good, strong clubs should take on board - and continue to take on board.
It is self-evident that clubs are the lifeblood of Australian baseball. Some will prosper and will grow, whatever else might be going on. Others may need a degree of guidance, support, mentoring and modelling - especially - for them to survive, and to thrive in a changing social and sporting landscape.
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Post by wyatt33 on Oct 17, 2018 8:25:52 GMT 10
I’ve been banging in about this for ages...the people that have the know how and desire to run the game properly for the betterment of all involved, are only interested in running their own club...and I don’t blame them! The people that are paid at head office are purely using bv as a stepping stone on their way up the sports corporate ladder. Pad the resume and move on after 18 months. Got me buggered how they can live with themselves when they do nothing in that period to better the game....but obviously badminton Victoria, or Vic bocce are more desirable work locations than baseball. We complain about the direction of the sport, but you pay peanuts you get monkeys. Lucky the clubs do a good job of running themselves....
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Post by fuzzy on Oct 19, 2018 19:50:43 GMT 10
I'm afraid the frustration continues, I had a look at the next couple of months of Sandys' fixture and Div 1 round 12 27th November Sandy V Essendon 6.30pm at Essendon. Southern suburbs teams should not be playing at Essendon or Preston midweek, Altona is bad enough but do the powers that be know what time our players have to beg off work to play these games. The only midweek games should be local Derby's.
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Post by Goblin on Oct 20, 2018 0:17:22 GMT 10
Here Here Fuzzy, bloody ridiculous.
Also, Essendon Blackburn play at Essendon Midweek 4/12
Essendon also has to play Geelong Mid week @ Geelong
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Post by rebelwithoutaclue on Oct 22, 2018 14:31:18 GMT 10
Possibly controversial idea...
How about making all current leagues "Sunday Leagues", scrapping the existing midweekers.
Then you could create Tues/Wed/Thurs leagues for those who are willing and able play in them? Midweekers would not be limited to those playing Div 1/2/3 1s and travel would be done by those wishing to do it.
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Post by stuartcapel on Oct 22, 2018 14:41:09 GMT 10
South Australia seems to have done something similar to this idea with their 'Super League'.
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Post by The Puma on Oct 23, 2018 5:55:35 GMT 10
Possibly controversial idea... How about making all current leagues "Sunday Leagues", scrapping the existing midweekers. Then you could create Tues/Wed/Thurs leagues for those who are willing and able play in them? Midweekers would not be limited to those playing Div 1/2/3 1s and travel would be done by those wishing to do it. Spelt Saturday wrong.
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Post by lonewolf75 on Oct 23, 2018 11:03:42 GMT 10
Wasnt there talk of a mid week league floated back when all the charter ball changes were discussed??
A mid week league would have me thinking about returning to summer ball
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Post by doubleplay on Oct 25, 2018 11:15:35 GMT 10
Hello forum fans. I haven't had much to say lately about BV and VSBL but if I do it is more than likely not very fondly done. It has been hit on the head that working at BV/BVSl/Aces is a revolving door with nobody in those china shops called offices giving a rats a*** about Club ball. The Clubs need to grow some serious balls and take back this association and maybe save some money in the meanwhile . Get rid of te offices they occupy, offload the Aces,(which has been done) and just run the league in a manner befitting the people that belong to this association. Bring the sport back to a cost happy place. Not paying elitist fees for a third world sport in Australia.
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Post by Goblin on Oct 27, 2018 21:35:14 GMT 10
Sat 27/10/18
Div 1 1sts Ess 10 Sunshine 7 Div 1 Reserves Essendon 7 Sunshine 8
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Post by fuzzy on Nov 18, 2018 17:45:01 GMT 10
Blackburn 6 d Sandy 5. Can't elaborate was playing golf.
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Post by behindthedish on Nov 18, 2018 22:09:09 GMT 10
Doubleplay, very well said and totally agree. It is no secret that BV don't give a hoot about club ball or even trying to win the Championship at the National Junior Tournaments. They are only interested in the Aces (which I have no interest in at all, due to the lack of players being selected on merit or current performances) and they only care about trying to get 1 or 2 kids signed at the National Tournaments - this is why our sport is going backwards in our state. We would be better off sweeping the whole lot clean with a new broom and running the show with people with the best interests of the game at heart for all to enjoy.
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Post by authentic on Nov 19, 2018 8:47:06 GMT 10
I agree with much of the above. The Fixture in Div 1 3s and 4s is a joke with the erratic 'Home and Away' concept that occurs then doesn't, then does again across the season. None of us like playing the same mob this week as the week prior, and it makes so little sense with this ridiculously uneven draw arrangement. What was the logic in this ? Seems to me to be that the 3s and 4s are just being treated with contempt by BV (and sometimes their own clubs) with non-sensical Fixturing and of course rarely having Umpires. And in terms of the state of our game atm, from what I see its the kids that are about 15-17 that are propping up clubs lower teams atm with some playing 3 games in a day (16s then 4s then sometimes 3s as well) to help out. Thats surely unsustainable and the kids will surely burn out. Any wonder the young ones are quiet in the dug out in their 4th (or 6th) hour of baseball that day.
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Post by fuzzy on Nov 24, 2018 16:24:21 GMT 10
Sanity has prevailed with the Essendon V Sandy midweeker transferred from Essendon to Altona. Kudos to those who got it done.
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Post by fuzzy on Nov 28, 2018 11:59:57 GMT 10
Does anyone know the Sunshine V Preston score from last night ?
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Post by beaverball on Nov 29, 2018 8:04:09 GMT 10
Hey Fuzz., Score on BV website now. 2/0 to the Eagles.
Beaver.
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Post by fuzzy on Nov 29, 2018 8:19:52 GMT 10
Thanks Beaver
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Post by fuzzy on Dec 7, 2018 9:13:40 GMT 10
Just had a look at the junior draw after Xmas, and they start back on the 13th Jan (the same as the Seniors) and the 16's and 18's carnival runs through to the 20th Jan. If my memory is correct the juniors normally play one round at the end of January and I know we have Australia Day long weekend to juggle but starting on the 13th is just another bad call.
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Post by larry42 on Dec 7, 2018 13:16:50 GMT 10
Just had a look at the junior draw after Xmas, and they start back on the 13th Jan (the same as the Seniors) and the 16's and 18's carnival runs through to the 20th Jan. If my memory is correct the juniors normally play one round at the end of January and I know we have Australia Day long weekend to juggle but starting on the 13th is just another bad call. Yep that's correct with no discussion of trying to amend fixturing to get games in in anyway. There is something terribly wrong with this picture when there is absolutely no room to amend or move.
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Post by bobby on Dec 11, 2018 2:58:27 GMT 10
What happened in the Doncaster v Springvale game, by the looks of it both sides all got ejected?
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