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Post by farnt on Feb 26, 2013 15:55:17 GMT 10
B.V. summer league website has declared all of this evenings games washouts. Big call. UPDATE as at 4.30PM - Due to excessive rain, except for the Melbourne v Sandringham game, all of tonight's Division 1 games have been cancelled.
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Post by redlight on Feb 26, 2013 15:56:05 GMT 10
Melbourne and Sandringham are going ahead tonight. Guys been out cleaning the field since 3:30.
An appropriate Wayne's World quote "Gammmee ooonnn"
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Post by lovethegame on Feb 26, 2013 16:00:00 GMT 10
KC Disagree with the D... if you do and D... if you dont. There is much more harm in calling off a game(s) that could have been played than waiting until the last minute in calling the game.
If clubs miss out on finals or worse get relegated because of not playing a game that should have been played there will be a lot of bad feelings towards BV. If they wait until the last minute to call off the game a few guys get out of the house to have a beer or two to not play baseball.
Even more so than any other time of the year, every oportunity should be made to play the game.
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Post by The Puma on Feb 26, 2013 16:19:15 GMT 10
I can't understand how any of these games have been taken out of the hands of the umpires. It's been dry and sunny where I am for at least 3 hours. The fact that we have had no rain would have meant it was all soaked up pretty quick.
Bizarre really.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 16:35:58 GMT 10
LTG, you sound like an olde school baseballer like me - guys who wanted to play, and who would play, regardless of any conditions.
I hated having any game called off, and it is refreshing to see that the Sandy/Melbourne boys are so keen to get out on the park tonight. As you say, every effort should be made to play the game. Maybe, just maybe, we are becoming a little too precious about a bit of rain and other less than perfect conditions.
There was a deal of Forum discussion on this issue last year, when there was a stack of games rained out (Melbourne, I recall, had five or six). It was clear then, and it is now, that there is divergence of opinion over the early calling of games. Some people prefer it that way, some don't. That is my point.
While it is true that conditions can vary widely from ground to ground, asking players, umpires, scorers and canteen staff to travel in some cases across Melbourne - then to find out there is no game - does not go down very well with some people, especially if they've been tied up at work or are held up in traffic.
While these particular games are important, they are arguably no more so than any regular season game in determining finals participation, relegation and the like. To my mind, much of the problem lies with the policy of not rescheduling washouts. I understand the constraints of time, but that has been brought upon us largely by playing a 33-game season.
If the Divvy One season was 26 games, for instance, reschedules could largely be managed. There would still be the question of at what point a game should be called - and by whom - but at least provision could be made for a full season of games to be played.
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Post by redlight on Feb 26, 2013 19:38:40 GMT 10
Melbourne beat Sandy tonight (not sure of score... maybe 6-0?) what does this do to the ladder now?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 20:12:44 GMT 10
If Cheltenham wins one game, it will hold fourth.
If it loses both, then it would have a Match Ratio of 53.1, which could be overtaken by either Melbourne or Waverley, but only if one or both wins both games.
If both Melbourne and Waverley won both games, it looks like Melbourne would sneak in on 54.6. But if Cheltenham lost both, Melbourne lost one and Waverley won both, then the Wildcats would appear to edge out the Rustlers with a ratio of 53.2.
My calculations over a glass of red may well be awry, so don't bet on any of this.
Ah, baseball, don't you love it?
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Post by farnt on Feb 26, 2013 21:09:41 GMT 10
Thanks for the update red. Well done to the Melb guys for getting the ground playable considering the red dirt drains behind 1B.
Surely La Trobe could not have been that bad. It usually drains as good as Melbourne's ground. Sure a puddle in the coaches box but it would surely have been playable. Do the LTU groundskeepers, the club, umpires or BV call it off? Surely the umps wouldn't have been there before 4.30?
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Post by Chilli Wil on Feb 26, 2013 22:31:02 GMT 10
Thanks for the update red. Well done to the Melb guys for getting the ground playable considering the red dirt drains behind 1B. Surely La Trobe could not have been that bad. It usually drains as good as Melbourne's ground. Sure a puddle in the coaches box but it would surely have been playable. Do the LTU groundskeepers, the club, umpires or BV call it off? Surely the umps wouldn't have been there before 4.30? Saw a video via Facebook; ground looked in very good nick with the commentary saying the Sun was "burning" and there were "a few puddles" but nothing a little work couldn't have fixed I'd have thought. Not sure if anyone was contacted re: ground conditions and if they were they talked to the wrong person because it looked great and they could have had a game or two there tonight I am sure.
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Post by oldmanriver on Feb 27, 2013 6:54:30 GMT 10
Well, well, well, talk about the glass being half full or half empty. If all Div 1 games are called off(BV words) why wasn't the Melb v Sandy game included. It has to be either one or the other, all off or all on until the umps say so. Melb gets closer to the four and Sandy gets closer to relegation. If the ladder was decided by the old point system washouts wouldn't be an issue 1 point each, same as a draw. BV has now taken the plausable and at a crucial stage of the season totally screwed it up. I hope that all the Presidents of the Clubs that didn't play last night get up in arms and strongly voice their opinions and demand that the games not played be rescheduled. This is a ludicrous situation to have.
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Post by farnt on Feb 27, 2013 7:21:46 GMT 10
I know it may not have been their decision so try not to cane me for this - OMR you mention Sandy being closer to relegation - maybe Preston not want to play Cheltenham (just saying)
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Post by oldmanriver on Feb 27, 2013 7:28:41 GMT 10
You can spin it how you want to read it, somebody screwed up. Maybe Chelt breathes a sigh of relief.(just saying). It's still a S#$thouse call.
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Post by fuzzy on Feb 27, 2013 9:27:41 GMT 10
Was never much good at arithmatic but by my calculations Sandy cannot finish lower than 10th (using the current standings)
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Post by baseless on Feb 27, 2013 9:41:54 GMT 10
I have just checked with our club secretary and still don't have any details for lower grade finals this week. Are we at home or away or a neutral ground? Game times? Is it unusual to not know this by now?
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Post by oldmanriver on Feb 27, 2013 9:51:41 GMT 10
Home grounds if you have the higher position unless your ground is being used by i higher grade then it will probably go to the opoosition ground. It will be posted later this afternoon.
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Post by Goblin on Feb 27, 2013 15:12:01 GMT 10
Was never much good at arithmatic but by my calculations Sandy cannot finish lower than 10th (using the current standings) Got the calculator out to run some percentages. You are of course correct Fuzzy. It is not mathematically possible for Sandy to to finish worse than 10th. When doing the percentages Sandringhams wins are divided by 33 and Sunshines by 32. This would mean at worst Sandy (if thy lost remaining 2 games) would finish with 13 wins / 33 games played = .3939 % If Sunshine won both games they would finish with 12.5 wins / 32 games played =.3906 % The teams still in the firing line Preston, Upwey and Sunshine (One of these can finish 11th Malvern cannot get out of 12th positions. Preston must win 1 game If Sunshine wins 2 games, Upwey must win 2 games as Sunshine hold the potential tie breaker on head to head. If Sunshine only wins one game, Upwey only needs to win one. Still quite possible it won't be decided until the ultimate rd 33
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Post by farnt on Feb 27, 2013 15:30:11 GMT 10
and if Preston had of played and lost last night?
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Post by Goblin on Feb 27, 2013 16:07:24 GMT 10
and if Preston had of played and lost last night? Would not have changed the situation. In fact if they played last night and defeated Chelt, (quite feasible with Bubbie avail to throw), they would be out of relegation zone. So situation is still one win and they are in. You can disregard the conspiracy theories With so many games washout (their words not mine) there is bound to have effect on numerous sides with only a couple of rounds left.
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Post by Goblin on Feb 27, 2013 16:14:10 GMT 10
Remaining games for Upwey, Preston and Sunshine
This Sat
Cheltenham Vs Preston @ Chelt Upwey Vs Geelong @ Upwey Blackburn Vs Sunshine @ Blackburn
Final Round
Sunshine Vs Waverley @ Sunshine Sandringham Vs Upwey @ Sandy Preston Vs Malvern @ Preston
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Post by The Puma on Feb 28, 2013 4:53:55 GMT 10
Who wont's to guess the finales placings for the Div 1 Res ladder Maybe no one can figure it out. The whole season's disappeared.
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Post by lovethegame on Feb 28, 2013 9:27:00 GMT 10
Controversy regarding the tie-breaking procedures for Div 1 Res maybe??? From memory there were 3 or 4 teams all on the same percentage with two teams in and one or two teams out of the finals.
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Post by farnt on Feb 28, 2013 10:23:58 GMT 10
Did Campbell Wiggins throw a no-no Tuesday night in the Melb v Sandy game?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2013 10:31:20 GMT 10
farnt, Sandy had one hit and there were two walks and twelve Ks, though I don't know if he threw the whole game (eight innings).
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Post by farnt on Feb 28, 2013 11:05:04 GMT 10
Thanks KC, either way that's an impressive outing.
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Post by pirates on Feb 28, 2013 12:23:16 GMT 10
I know it may not have been their decision so try not to cane me for this - OMR you mention Sandy being closer to relegation - maybe Preston not want to play Cheltenham (just saying) for the record Preston did not make the call, grounds keeper advised VB it would not be playable as the ground took heaps of water over night and through the morning. whole ground was under water and with more rain expected he felt it would not come up. they left it till mid afternoon before making the call with VB. no conspiracy theory, actually they were looking forward to it as we gave ourselves a chance against cheltenham as we have matched up pretty well with them over the last couple of season, particularly in a 2 hour night game. Now we have bigger task in a 9 innings game and the boys are ready to go.
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Post by skinny on Feb 28, 2013 15:40:56 GMT 10
LTG...Controversy in Div 2 Res... ?
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Post by perfeckt on Feb 28, 2013 19:23:26 GMT 10
Like I said, "a big call". But I've also said that with a win/loss ratio long season (Div.1) every game counts. From game 1 it's on. I would say that after 30 or so games for every team, every team is where they should be leading up to the end of the home and away series. With just 2 games to go all teams should be thinking about the one that got away, the one they could have won or the one that they could have not let the umpire make the decision. In this years Summer League 1 missed game at the end of the season is no more important than 1 missed at the beginning. Good Luck every club and every club should feel proud to be a part of the best Division 1 competition seasons in years.
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Post by skinny on Mar 1, 2013 8:43:04 GMT 10
I must say, I have to agree with Perfeckt on his last post. I cant remember a Div 1 season like this, where 3 teams still have a chance to make 4th spot. After a slowish than normal start, the Wildcats are making a run. Melbourne after dropping 7 games in a row are on the cusp and Cheltenham who have had a good solid year are sitting fourth only to have 2 teams breathing down their necks. and at the other end of the spectrum, the relegation side of things is not a fore gone conclusion...good luck to all Div 1 teams in the last 2 rounds and good luck to all teams starting their finals campaigns this weekend..
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