Aces Now Online

[Goblin]

Finally official

www.melbourneaces.com.au

[Chardy]

what happened to the plane on the logo? I thought that was great!!

[nezumi]

Chardy: I got the impression that the plane logo was a Jersey/Cap logo and that this is the full team emblem. I hope it's the case!

[mattys123]

Hey all, first time posting here.

I read today that Victoria Park has been taken off the list as a possible site for the Aces home games, and I'm shattered by this.

As a Collingwood supporter and Baseball fan, I was hoping the 2 worlds could collide, but once again the Yarra Council has ruined that.

It took Collingwood about 5 years just to get a few VFL games back at Vic Park, showing just how annoying that council is.

I'm happy with all the names announced yesterday, although as much as I hate to say it, the Sydney name stands out.

I will be attending some Aces games, as long as they aren't in Geelong, even if they are held at the wind tunnel in Altona.

[nezumi]

Looks like I was right:

mlb.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20100805&content_id=13058112&vkey=pr_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

(scroll all the way down)

[mc15]

Aug 6, 2010 10:40:54 GMT 10 mattys123 said:

As a Collingwood supporter and Baseball fan, I was hoping the 2 worlds could collide, but once again the Yarra Council has ruined that.

It took Collingwood about 5 years just to get a few VFL games back at Vic Park, showing just how annoying that council is.

Hey Matty

As a local in Richmond and a witness to some of the... well... questionable things that the City of Yarra do, this one may not be their fault. The day to day operations of Victoria Park is now back in the hands of Collingwood Football Club. Seeing how they operate on a daily basis would leave me to suspect that they want to maintain their exclusive use of the place.

If you want to deal with an AFL club with some kind of foresight to build a strong relationship you might need to head west of the Yarra. Brilliant management, very good council and a local university that is in the process of pumping a frightening amount of money into high performance sport.

[mattys123]

I'm pretty sure that Yarra Council vetoed the decision to allow the ABL to play games at Vic Park, Collingwood has no say over the place.

I know this because I am friends with a group of people who have been campaigning for years to get Collingwood back to Vic Park, and at no point has the CFC had any "exclusive" control over Vic Park. In fact Collingwood only has a 2 year deal to play VFL games there, and there's no guarantee that they will be allowed to play games there after that.

Collingwood actually works well with "others", be it at the Olympic precinct. (Especially the Melbourne Vixens who share the Westpac Centre)

This decision is all the work of the Yarra Council, of that I am sure.

I hope the ABL can find a better inner city ground then the wind tunnel out at Altona, especially for us Baseball fans in the South East of Melbourne.

[mc15]

Ah... Don't be fooled by Eddie my good friend. I work for the mob that share the Westpac Centre with Collingwood and I can tell you they do not work well at all with others and as the S&C coach of the Vixens, I can tell you that their relationship with them is non-existent. But this isn't about getting into Collingwood (o.k. it is the give me the you know whats)

The point I was trying to make is the work that is being done between the Western Bulldogs, Victoria University the council over there and a few other smaller organisations is incredible. The investments over the next three years between those organisations is over $100mil. I'd be trying to crack into that development. Just my thoughts

[stuartcapel]

For those wondering, the Blue Sox isn't a unique team name.

Halifax Rugby League team has been using it for over a decade, including in the English Super League.

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[astroboy]

Stuart

I'm just 'new' at this so excuse me if I flounder around. I thought I'd join the forum cos I've got a woody over the ABL coming.

Re, the Blue Sox name not being original = we should give our 'friends' north of the border some space before we yet again slip the boot in , they're still coming to terms with getting the beggeezers hit out of the by the SA 'Imports' last summer in the Semis ;D.

Let's do a little word association on the rest of the league and see how we go? We'll start with ourselves and go forward from there:
Melbourne = 'Reno ?'.
Brisbane = 'Quad City River ?'.
Perth = 'Miami ?'
Adelaide = 'can't come up with one they got an original'!
Canberra = 'Teams are associated but it's Canberra who cares'!

BTW, we've got to remember that the Adelaide 'fans' will be rolling in the aisles cuddling their sister by the 2nd innings so they wouldn't even remember what they're called.

Thank god they didn't decide we were going to be the 'Curve' (check out the team name associated with that one).

Anyway to quote a mate of mine 'Ted from Richmond' who gives a toss what the names are! We've got them now so let's make the most of it. Bring on Summer!!!!!!!!!

Aces v BlueSox at wherever we're playing is going to be sensational!!!!!!!!!!!

[mattys123]

Aug 6, 2010 15:42:44 GMT 10 mc15 said:

The point I was trying to make is the work that is being done between the Western Bulldogs, Victoria University the council over there and a few other smaller organisations is incredible. The investments over the next three years between those organisations is over $100mil. I'd be trying to crack into that development. Just my thoughts

I agree with you there, I was out at Whitten Oval the other week, and the place has to have the best sporting facilities in Victoria.

The ground is still in decent condition, so the ABL should consider playing games there, although they might run into problems with the Dogs wanting to use the ground for pre season training.

[duke]

For what it's worth, astroboy, I think Sydney has the most classy of the logos/branding (even though they are all pretty decent).

You seem to have a particular attachment to the Blues. Can you explain why the NSW baseball supporters don't bother frequenting this Forum - or, for that matter, their own "Fan Forum" posted on the Blues website?

Don't they care about what's happening around the game?

[astroboy]

Duke

You're kidding aren't you! How does that 'sock' beat our 'plane flying through a M'? (close your eyes and substitute the 'M' for the Bolte bridge = wow!!!!!!).
Begrudgingly, the sock might be No. 2 though.

Not sure where you're going with the 'Sydney fixation thing' = I still remember the photo of Henry Bolte swimming in the dam (well at least that gives away my age!). I'm guessing the NSWelshman don't post on our board (Vic) cos their site would be on BBNSW (oops they don't have one!!!!) and as you know their all very busy people in the Harbour City!

[stuartcapel]

No dramas Astro.

My post originated from an email conversation this afternoon where the person I was talking to mentioned they had an original name as they'd never heard of the Blue Sox before.

I just thought it may be of interest - to some it will be - to others no.

(As it happens, I follow the Super League and Halifax used to be my team - they were pants however).

I recall the Colorado Springs minor league team certainly used to be the Sky Sox (blue based). Not sure if this is still the case.

Agree on the fact that no matter what the teams are called, we're going to have some good baseball.

Bring it on!

[astroboy]

Duke

Before you tell me, I know "as you know their all very busy people" should read "as you know they're all very busy people". BTW, being a Doggies fan Whitten Oval get's my vote!

Astroboy

[duke]

Ah, astro, I like a person observing attention to detail - especially in language use.

I don't know about "busy-ness" being the explanation for NSW's absence from online forums, though. Didn't BBNSW try a few years ago (somewhat unsuccessfully) to run their own state-based Forum?

And please do not remind me of Bolte images from a bygone era. They'll make me puke this time at night! ;D

[saywhat]

Steve Nash on SEN today @ 3.30. The news is they are mainly looking to play out of either La Trobe or Dandenong, Altona is out of the question. Looking in the future to hopefully to move somewhere in Albert Park/South Melb area. Also could see a few Atlanta Braves in the Aces lineup due to the coach being the Braves head scout. Good news

[mattys123]

That all sounds like good news.

Dandenong is close to me, so I'd be happy with that, although I don't know what exact site they would use.

The Braves link might be important too, I think every side will probably try and become a little like an off season "farm" team to an MLB team, or else why would the league have got the backing of the MLB in the first place.

All seems to be coming along nicely, can't wait till the first home game.

[roly]

Aug 6, 2010 22:38:12 GMT 10 astroboy said:

Duke

Before you tell me, I know "as you know their all very busy people" should read "as you know they're all very busy people". BTW, being a Doggies fan Whitten Oval get's my vote!

Astroboy

I may be but a humble concrete dog...well, a concrete dog, but let me tell you this astroboy, I have a nose for "double agents"
No Doggies fan would know to correct there own gramma My well developed sense of smell tells me that little ol' astroboy might be more of a "Northerner" than a "Westie"......N.S.W. or Qld if I'm not mistaken. But given your Sydneycentric posts I'm tippin' Steak & Kidney

By the way....did I tell you my friend the concrete duck lost his nose?
How does he smell you might ask....
Terrible, he hasn't bathed for a month

WOOF

[olteyemr]

I am (probably) a bit behind in the news department, but has it been officially confirmed that Phil Dale is to be the Aces Coach come November?
Any assistants named?

[dickieknee]

Typical. I close my eyes and go to sleep for a week and the whole thing starts!

Mind you. I am one very happy Baseball fan

Should Aces have a team song? Should we recognise our past in Aircraft MAnufacture for the Country in war years? LOL! Could Hawker DeHavilland be a sponsor!

[madball]

i read somewhere Melbourne Showgrounds are a possibility.

[mattys123]

Hey all, I just thought I'd pass on a "tip" I got from another forum, that the Aces are having a 5,000 seat stadium built in Cheltenham, on the corner of Center Dandenong road and Ross Street.

No one has confirmed this, and even so, I doubt the stadium would be ready for this season, thus an alternative site is probably being sought.

5.000 seems about the right size though, and the location doesn't sound too bad, as long as they can keep trainee pilots from crashing into the stadium from the Airport across the road. ;D

[duke]

mattys123, with all due respect, I reckon your source from "another forum" might be be stretching the possibilities juuuuust a little bit........

At this stage, expect an announcement in the next ten days about Melbourne Showgrounds or a sharing arrangement between Booth Reserve, La Trobe, maybe Altona or Geelong.

Baseball in this country just doesn't simply conjure up a 5000-seat custom-built stadium. Not now and probably not ever.

[Diesel]

Have Aces picked a squad or started training yet?

[heavesrock]

They won't have started training yet because many of the players are still playing with their minor league teams in the states.

[madball]

I know the BITE have been training for at least a month now, just local boys i presume.

[6for8]

This is a bit stiff. im not entirely sure how far copyright and trademarking laws go on the internet, but i would imagine it wouldn't carry much weight. maybe the webmaster can turn it into a baseballradio forum fansite... you know... a fan forum to talk about the forum...
melbourneacesfans.com/

[wheezer]

Oct 3, 2010 7:46:25 GMT 10 6for8 said:

This is a bit stiff. melbourneacesfans.com/

I totally agree. The shut down is stiff - and I would also call it depressing and baffling. I have come into this league highly optimistic, but my respect for the ABL has lowered significantly on this circumstance alone.

I would have thought the ABL could appreciate someone going out of their way to try and build team spirit and camaraderie, considering this is something the ABL itself has yet to do. I can't believe that the league's first reaction to this team community page is to shut it down - all over a few images.

I can certainly understand the ABL wanting to protect the use of their logos. It is their brand after all. As soon as I saw the doctored logos on the Aces Fans site, I thought the webmaster might get a tap on the shoulder. But, if this is about branding, why on earth would the brand manager (the ABL) cut off what is so far the best effort to create brand community? I don't understand why the ABL are firing so few PR bullets, and why most of these bullets seem to be aimed at their own foot!

When you find your images being used, ask the webmasters to remove the images. You don't bloody shut down the entire site!

If I was the webmaster for this site I would have been less submissive. Due to copyright and TM laws the ABL can ask the logos be removed. That is fine and dandy. But the idea of getting the site shut down not only limits their brand, but is something they are not entitled to do.

Apparently it was shut down on the grounds of "trademarked names". What is the ABL hoping to do, make sure no-one else on the Internet uses certain words Not only is this unreasonable but it shows a complete lack of understanding for how Google works. When other people talk about your brand, your brand does better on Google. Silencing anyone who talks about you on the web makes total sense...

Here is my recommendation to the Aces Fan webmaster: take down all copyrighted images but just keep doing what you were doing. If the ABL kicks up a stink over some original content on the topic being on another website, see if they are off-the-planet enough to take a clearly stated unofficial fan site into arbitration. Chances are the Aces Fan website budget would get a boost when the court orders the ABL compensate you for the trouble of sitting through such a weak case.

I am impressed the webmaster's support for the Aces in the midst that they just closed down his/her fan site. In this moment I am feeling mostly resentful towards the league and it's not even my site.

[texasleaguer]

Oct 3, 2010 8:40:58 GMT 10 wheezer said:

Oct 3, 2010 7:46:25 GMT 10 6for8 said:

This is a bit stiff. melbourneacesfans.com/

I totally agree. The shut down is stiff - and I would also call it depressing and baffling. I have come into this league highly optimistic, but my respect for the ABL has lowered significantly on this circumstance alone.

I would have thought the ABL could appreciate someone going out of their way to try and build team spirit and camaraderie, considering this is something the ABL itself has yet to do. I can't believe that the league's first reaction to this team community page is to shut it down - all over a few images.

I can certainly understand the ABL wanting to protect the use of their logos. It is their brand after all. As soon as I saw the doctored logos on the Aces Fans site, I thought the webmaster might get a tap on the shoulder. But, if this is about branding, why on earth would the brand manager (the ABL) cut off what is so far the best effort to create brand community? I don't understand why the ABL are firing so few PR bullets, and why most of these bullets seem to be aimed at their own foot!

When you find your images being used, ask the webmasters to remove the images. You don't bloody shut down the entire site!

If I was the webmaster for this site I would have been less submissive. Due to copyright and TM laws the ABL can ask the logos be removed. That is fine and dandy. But the idea of getting the site shut down not only limits their brand, but is something they are not entitled to do.

Apparently it was shut down on the grounds of "trademarked names". What is the ABL hoping to do, make sure no-one else on the Internet uses certain words Not only is this unreasonable but it shows a complete lack of understanding for how Google works. When other people talk about your brand, your brand does better on Google. Silencing anyone who talks about you on the web makes total sense...

Here is my recommendation to the Aces Fan webmaster: take down all copyrighted images but just keep doing what you were doing. If the ABL kicks up a stink over some original content on the topic being on another website, see if they are off-the-planet enough to take a clearly stated unofficial fan site into arbitration. Chances are the Aces Fan website budget would get a boost when the court orders the ABL compensate you for the trouble of sitting through such a weak case.

I am impressed the webmaster's support for the Aces in the midst that they just closed down his/her fan site. In this moment I am feeling mostly resentful towards the league and it's not even my site.

I reckon you are way off the pace on this one wheezer, you've made some good posts but this isn't one of them.