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berwickboy
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Play at home
« Thread Started on Nov 3, 2009, 6:52pm »

we had a strange call on the weekend against waverly in div 2 1's,
runner at third and a flyball is hit to left, runner tags and goes when the LF catches the ball.
the runner (me) had two options at the plate, run through the guy at home or try to hook slide around the catcher. i choose the latter, got around the tag and touched home plate, only to be called out for running off the line.
i may have been one step off the line just before i slide but i thought that was allright? when questioned by our manager, the homeplate umpire had no answer for why i was out

I'm sure majority of poeple would rather see someone hookslide than apsolutly polax a catcher

any clarification on rules?

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Re: Play at home
« Reply #1 on Nov 4, 2009, 5:34am »

Rule 7.08 (a) (1):
Any runner is out when-
He runs more than three feet away from his baseline to avoid being tagged unless his action is to avoid avoid interference with a fielder fielding a batted ball. A runner's baseline is established when the tag attempt occurs and is a straight line from the runner to the base is attempting to reach safely.

So if you were more than three feet from the baseline, the umpire was correct.

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Re: Play at home
« Reply #2 on Nov 4, 2009, 7:27pm »

Nov 4, 2009, 5:34am, heavesrock wrote:

so if you apply the rule as its written, your out if you slide after, or when the tag is attempted but not if you start you slide first?

a couple of years ago, during the winter i was called out at the plate because i jumped over a catcher's glove as he was attempting the tag. when the call was argued i was told i was lucky not to be reported for dangerous play or something to that effect. apparently jumping a catcher is a lot more dangerous than going through one.

a little off track but what you going to do...

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Re: Play at home
« Reply #3 on Nov 4, 2009, 9:12pm »

Nov 4, 2009, 7:27pm, trober wrote:

Nov 4, 2009, 5:34am, heavesrock wrote:

Well, that raises an interesting point - 3 feet over the line is technically still 3 feet away from the line, so if you jumped 3 feet in the air to avoid a tag, you could be out for running off the line. Nothing in the rule says the 3 feet only applies along one axis. Mind you, that's a pretty high jump when you're running at speed toward the plate...

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Re: Play at home
« Reply #4 on Nov 5, 2009, 11:41am »

the 3 feet running guide only refers to a runner when running to avoid a tag it does not have anything to do with a slide, the ruling on a slide is that whilst during your slide at some point you could touch the base then it is legal..

and yes you can jump over someone

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Re: Play at home
« Reply #5 on Nov 5, 2009, 12:25pm »

Is the catcher (or any fielder for that matter at any other base), actually allowed to stand in the line of the runner? If the ball is 150ft away and the catcher is blocking the line to home plate, there's no point going through him. Whats the actual rule?

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Re: Play at home
« Reply #6 on Nov 5, 2009, 1:39pm »

Nov 5, 2009, 12:25pm, rev4 wrote:

Is the catcher (or any fielder for that matter at any other base), actually allowed to stand in the line of the runner?

if my memory serves me correct, if in the process of fielding a batted ball they can stand in the line of the runner, the runner has to make a reasonable attempt to go around the fielder.

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If the ball is 150ft away and the catcher is blocking the line to home plate, there's no point going through him. Whats the actual rule?

as the catcher isn't in the process of fielding a batted ball or fielding a thrown ball to make a play then the catcher could be determined to be obstructing the runner. Of course if no urgency and the runner will get home safely then the runner should just go around the catcher.

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Re: Play at home
« Reply #7 on Nov 5, 2009, 3:36pm »

Correct pakkyp, if a fielder is in the act of fielding a ball then he has right of way over a base runner, if he is not then the runner has right of way and the fielder can be called for obstruction.

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Re: Play at home
« Reply #8 on Nov 19, 2009, 9:27am »

What if no tag is attempted? In a run down play runners will swerve around a fielder who is waiting to make attempt a tag. Is the runner allowed a further 3 feet when the tag is attempted?

I was taught that the "line" was established when the runner took their first steps toward the base they were heading for. So, in a run down the runner could take a big U turn to reverse direction, but once they started heading towards a base, that was their running line. By that definition, with the runner tagging at third, the running line would be the white line. If the catcher sets up 15 feet down the line, can the runner veer 20 feet off the white line, before they get to the catcher, so that they are alway out of reach?

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Re: Play at home
« Reply #9 on Nov 19, 2009, 12:08pm »

the runners running path is a direct line from himself to the base he is headed he cannot veer more then 3 feet of that running lane to avoid being tagged

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Re: Play at home
« Reply #10 on Nov 19, 2009, 7:59pm »

What's the definition of "when the tag attempt occurs"? Is it standing, waiting for the ball so that you can tag the runner? Is it standing with the ball waiting to tag the runner? Or is it that split second when you start to extend the mit containing the ball towards the runner? If it's the latter, then the runner has to run more than three feet sideways faster than the fielder can stick out his mit!! That's a physical impossibility and nobody would ever be out under this rule.

Back to the original scenario - runner tagging up at third and catcher sets up ten feet down the line towards third. Runner, seeing this, veers fifteen feet off the white line. Catcher receives the ball and can't physically reach the runner, whose closer the batting circle than the plate. Nor can he outrun the runner to home plate as he's stationery and the runner is at full tilt. Runner swerves, dives head long and with arm at full stretch, just touches the plate. The runners line into the plate on the slide is "from the dugout". Is this running off the line to avoid being tagged, or good base running?

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