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Re: 2010 State Masters.... « Result #1 Today at 6:00pm »
Thanks 'fkl' - will do some more liaising wirth the boys and run out team list by you as to how we arew looking soonish.
Hey 'pirates' and 'coachstu' why dont you boys put in a Preston Masters team as part of the 100 year celebration (the timing would be perfect).
I note a few of the 'old boys' are running around on Mondays nights these days and I am sure there will potentially be a few more come out of the woodwork as the club celebrations progress !!!!
well should you hold the runner on or pick off if you are in front by that much
If I am coaching, the answer is no. Don't hold the runner, don't pick off and play back. My primary goal is to prevent the guy in the box getting on base through a ground ball with eyes finding it's way through the right side. With a big lead I am concerned with avoiding the big innings - not preventing a guy getting to second base.
i do the same i dont pick off or hold the runner on but if you get a runner on you might as well tell the runner to have second base
On Chelsea in Div 3 - they haven't really had it all their own way (despite the stats on the ladder) - they only downed my boys (Melton) by two runs - the same week we lost two of our best players to Preston, so we struggled to field the nine.
Also doesn't help the situation when they have a bloke throwing for them who has been clocked at 90 mph. It's probably a bit too sharp for Div 3.
There is someone in Division Three throwing 90?
Yep. Bloke moved down form NSW - is in the Navy apparently, based near Chelsea, which is why he plays there.
Re: Summer Week 12: comments and results « Result #4 Today at 3:29pm »
well should you hold the runner on or pick off if you are in front by that much
If I am coaching, the answer is no. Don't hold the runner, don't pick off and play back. My primary goal is to prevent the guy in the box getting on base through a ground ball with eyes finding it's way through the right side. With a big lead I am concerned with avoiding the big innings - not preventing a guy getting to second base.
I think that the term "import" is a bit ambiguous. Clubs have been importing players for years. Granted, they haven't been importing them from the US, but they have still been importing them.
How many clubs have an entire 1st nine that have come through the junior teams at that club?
I am of the opinion that US imports should restriction free.
Sure, some young kid may lose a spot, but, just like what happens now, he goes to a club who doesn't have as many imports and plays there.
This will manage itself. Clubs who fill their side with imports run the risk of alienating their "roots" and it will cost them in the long run.
Also, if/when the new ABL comes in, clubs will lose players and should be able to back fill with US imports.
Maybe instead of restricting the numbers, we should have guidelines as to what imports must give back. i.e Junior umpiring, Junior coaching, junior clinics etc.
I agree with you Lip. I believe their is room for the league to expand the rule to 2 imports, one being a pitcher. Cap it at two.
no doubt all clubs would love to be in a situation where they didn't have to rely on any imports having to play. but in this league, both D1 and D2 that's simply not the case. I'm sure all clubs would love to have the depth, junior talent and options that clubs like Wav and Ess have. but they don't and thats the beauty of this league.
Can only speak of D2, but with the extra games it can make the season a long haul, especially on the pitching staff. For some of the middle and lower tier clubs a good import can assist the club in getting through a tough period while the club looks to build or re build.
And some imports don't break the bank as much as some people may think.
I think 2 imports is fair and reasonable with only one being a pitcher and still only able to throw every second game. As for it becoming a cheque book league, ther are plenty of clubs already paying or subsidising home grown players. I think you'll find that with the GFC situation in the US a lot of the younger guys are happy to pay their own way out here and are just after somewhere to stay and a bit of part time work.
Re: 2010 State Masters.... « Result #9 Today at 1:17pm »
authentic - the age groups we end up with will purely pend on the entries.
We always try and ensure that the teams keep within the spirit of Masters, so if you have say a couple of 43/44 year old - play with no pitch/catch is always an option.
Aggregate age - interesting concept....but not sure it would work. But, happy to look at options but up (maybe not for 2010).
Not trying to single out Sunshine just an example being used, just like Ormond’s pitcher made the difference to them not finishing lower than they did. But if you want to ask the question about Sunshine then answer me how many do they win with or without their import. You cannot make a club work with imports it erodes the foundations of the club if you rely on them. As backup players because of extra games and because many other teams have them maybe. Again where does it stop 2 or 4, then the other clubs do it and it becomes a cheque book league.
That right Greatwhitehope, only one player in the 1st at Sunshine this season was a regular last year. Although Ryan was a great player last year he was not the only reason the eagles were winning game, they had good batting and some good defences and back-up pitches
Not sure about that. Yes they are good to see and it provides the opportunity for our young players to gauge them selves with these players. A lot of the time, with all due respect to the overseas players our boys are just as good. My concerns are that it really does not give you a true picture of the clubs standings if you have over seas players. It really makes it a lucky dip. A club picks up a pitcher say like Sunshine makes them look like the clubs doing well last year when it really is a false impression. Now you would like to bring more players in, when does it stop 5 or 6 imports that’ll really help a club when the juniors or seniors cannot get a game. This is a just a mirage. This is a point of view from a club that does not have an import. Where will the money come from to pay and put up these players?
thats not true about sunshine they lost 7 of there starting 9 had nothing to do with the import not being there
Not sure about that. Yes they are good to see and it provides the opportunity for our young players to gauge them selves with these players. A lot of the time, with all due respect to the overseas players our boys are just as good. My concerns are that it really does not give you a true picture of the clubs standings if you have over seas players. It really makes it a lucky dip. A club picks up a pitcher say like Sunshine makes them look like the clubs doing well last year when it really is a false impression. Now you would like to bring more players in, when does it stop 5 or 6 imports that’ll really help a club when the juniors or seniors cannot get a game. This is a just a mirage. This is a point of view from a club that does not have an import. Where will the money come from to pay and put up these players?
Re: Summer Week 12: comments and results « Result #16 Today at 12:16pm »
Absolutely
I understand the "don't steal when you're up by a lot" because you are showing up the opposition. That people think the reverse should apply seems completely absurd to me.
How can you seriously be offended when a team getting thumped tries to take an extra base? Do people really feel that they are getting shown up by a side losing by 15 runs?!
It strikes me that some teams/players are looking for reasons to be aggrieved. If someone wants to try steal a base of me while down by a dozen runs just to score one it's no skin off my nose.
I know this has been raised in a couple of other threads but I'm interested to hear peoples thoughts. This year there appears to be an unprecedented number of imports playing and from what I've heard quite a few will be looking to return next year. I personally think that the imports are good for the game and the more people that want to play during our summer the better. With the ABL starting next year an the possibilty of signed US players participating, I think the ABL should allow clubs to take advantage of this and claim an extra import.
Re: Summer Week 12: comments and results « Result #18 Today at 11:52am »
I completely agree, other wise call the game if you're not going to play it out. I was out of the game for a few years and when I came back and played in the 3's we were down a bit can’t actually remember the score but might have been 10 or so behind sort of score. Does not matter as I have always been coached and coached to play hard and play it like a 0-0 ball game. Got a hit, first not holding me on so stole 2nd only to have the pitcher threaten to pitch at me or the batter? As I said then and would say now I’m here to play the game and have my fun hitting, running the bases and scoring. We came back but didn’t win which didn’t matter but we all had a go and thought we had a chance to pinch it. Game got very interesting. If you don’t play it properly why keep playing, that’s more off putting than being beaten by a lot. Some times scoring a few runs gives the team a focus for the next week, something positive to take away from the game. IMO
I have wasted a heap of time "googling" the unwritten rules of Baseball trying to find the "Rule" that says a Team losing easily should not take second base when presented with it (that is, by the runner not being held). Can't find it. Not "stealing" when you are well behind gets plenty of mentions on the basis that you don't risk an out for a base when you are well down. Taking a base when you are not being held, IS NEVER mentioned and no where is it suggested that doing so is showing up the opposition. Can anyone provide a link to a situation where a Professional Team in the States saw fit to retaliate because someone from the well beaten opposition elected to take second base? I can't. I have however seen plenty of Major League games where the losing team will take any base they are given at any time (regardless of the score) PROVIDING they aren't risking an out. This "unwritten rule' of not taking a base when you are well behind to avoid showing up the winning team, appears me to be just that - unwritten anywhere! Perhaps some of the Guys who have been good enough to play Professionally in the States, can clarify whether this unwritten rule is just a "local unwritten rule".
Exactly... if your already on 2nd base you eliminate the regulation double play chance, which increases the losing teams chance of scoring runs and getting back into the game.
I have wasted a heap of time "googling" the unwritten rules of Baseball trying to find the "Rule" that says a Team losing easily should not take second base when presented with it (that is, by the runner not being held). Can't find it. Not "stealing" when you are well behind gets plenty of mentions on the basis that you don't risk an out for a base when you are well down. Taking a base when you are not being held, IS NEVER mentioned and no where is it suggested that doing so is showing up the opposition. Can anyone provide a link to a situation where a Professional Team in the States saw fit to retaliate because someone from the well beaten opposition elected to take second base? I can't. I have however seen plenty of Major League games where the losing team will take any base they are given at any time (regardless of the score) PROVIDING they aren't risking an out. This "unwritten rule' of not taking a base when you are well behind to avoid showing up the winning team, appears me to be just that - unwritten anywhere! Perhaps some of the Guys who have been good enough to play Professionally in the States, can clarify whether this unwritten rule is just a "local unwritten rule".
Re: Summer Week 12: comments and results « Result #21 Today at 11:26am »
I have wasted a heap of time "googling" the unwritten rules of Baseball trying to find the "Rule" that says a Team losing easily should not take second base when presented with it (that is, by the runner not being held). Can't find it. Not "stealing" when you are well behind gets plenty of mentions on the basis that you don't risk an out for a base when you are well down. Taking a base when you are not being held, IS NEVER mentioned and no where is it suggested that doing so is showing up the opposition. Can anyone provide a link to a situation where a Professional Team in the States saw fit to retaliate because someone from the well beaten opposition elected to take second base? I can't. I have however seen plenty of Major League games where the losing team will take any base they are given at any time (regardless of the score) PROVIDING they aren't risking an out. This "unwritten rule' of not taking a base when you are well behind to avoid showing up the winning team, appears me to be just that - unwritten anywhere! Perhaps some of the Guys who have been good enough to play Professionally in the States, can clarify whether this unwritten rule is just a "local unwritten rule".
On Chelsea in Div 3 - they haven't really had it all their own way (despite the stats on the ladder) - they only downed my boys (Melton) by two runs - the same week we lost two of our best players to Preston, so we struggled to field the nine.
Also doesn't help the situation when they have a bloke throwing for them who has been clocked at 90 mph. It's probably a bit too sharp for Div 3.
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Re: 2010 State Masters.... « Result #23 Today at 11:08am »
Hi FKL - spoke to our boys last night and we are a bit like a few of the teams where we have mainly 45 and even a few of us 50+ players in our potential squad but will have 2 or 3 that are 40ish. So will that mean we will need to play 35+ this year after being 40+ last year OR will there possibly be a situation where you can have say maybe 2 players on the ground that are 'under' age but they cant pitch/catch and still play 45+ ?
I know its early and a crazy time of year but thought Id run this past you in anticipation of this conundrum for us and maybe others.
Also I tried to come up with an 'aggregate age' assessment that could work in a transitional stage from one age group to the next but it looked a little impractical trying to add up ages in a team that averaged out into a minimum 'age range' during a game when you made changes potentially.
Would be in the true spirit of Masters but I guess teams could have a 60+ player in the starting 9 and then sneak a few youngies in I guess -
The uneven draw in div 2 3's & 4's is a joke, with 14 teams the season is effectively over for the bottom 7 teams with still 6 games to go, at least the old system you had an even draw,in div 1 & 2 you had a true home & away season, the current system may be great for div 1 & 2 1st's with extra games, but it is normally the lower grade players who keep clubs afloat. If these players are not enjoying their baseball we may lose them to the game.
I hardly think it's a joke... Div 2 - 4ths positions 5 through to 9 are separated by 2 points which is 1 win. Div 2 - 3rds positions 5 through to 9 are separated by 6 points which is 3 wins.
Your reasoning about it being better last year is complete and utter crap. 1. 8 teams over 18 rounds doesn't make it an even draw. it means you played 4 teams 3 times, and 3 teams 3 times, still means some teams got to play the weaker teams more than others. 2. A higher percentage of teams are a chance (albiet slim for some) of making finals baseball. 3. I haven't see ANYONE from one of the poorer performing teams players put their head down and show signs of giving the game away. 4. The first year of any re-structure will always encounter some teething problems, but it needs more than 1 season before 'mass' changes need to be inplemented. Not that I've seen any major teething problems in Div 2 3/4s this season.
Having played in Div 4 East last year I am quite happy to be playing a greater variety of teams and the competition in Div2 4ths this year is more even than that was last year.
Hey big fella( GWH ), you guys travelling ok.. where are you getting all these pitching stocks....you must have some land out back and have a test tube factory running......heard you had a bit of a firthy play on w/e but was fixed up as soon as possible.....
yeah we had a guy hit the ball to the fence the O/F put his hands in the air he asumed the ball was going under but it did not go under then he played the ball out but we had pulled our runner up at 2 when he could of got 3rd coxy and i had a chat and he said he would take care of it and he did so all was good
Re: Summer Week 12: comments and results « Result #27 Today at 9:50am »
Larry, understand completely and agree with you.... and also the rivalry with both clubs, and have always loved it..I think thats what makes sport so wonderful.. Is that rivalry..mate as I said in PM, water of a ducks back...have been called a lot worse from bigger and better people...jsut dissapointed as i said to you...with the player, left on the field no probs, he was at the front of the line after game and both of us shrugged it of and shook hands, and thats how it it should be....
Re: Summer Week 12: comments and results « Result #28 Today at 9:29am »
As a life long Port person (except 2 years coaching Werr) i'd like to think that we could keep the slanging match (Port/Willy) of who said what off this forum. although im picking its all been said but just in case. In the time that i can remember, games between Willy and Port have always been played hard and especially so in the last 15 years or so.
There are a number of ingredients which have made the two games this year entertaining to watch i'm sure, one of which is 3 former mariners players (inc one favorite son) in Willy colors. Let's just leave the stuff on the field between the lines. All the talk that follows is just bull sh$t and uneccessary.
Skinny - i PM'd you yesterday and you know where i stand on the issue of the abuse. I'm not always thrilled with some things that get said from our supporters, but if it was said by the player who you had a crack at for stealing the 2 bases then its game on IMO. The grief that you may be getting from a handful (or less) of people from the side lines could run a little deeper than what takes place on the field, and you'd have to half expect that you'd get that sort of reaction.
The uneven draw in div 2 3's & 4's is a joke, with 14 teams the season is effectively over for the bottom 7 teams with still 6 games to go, at least the old system you had an even draw,in div 1 & 2 you had a true home & away season, the current system may be great for div 1 & 2 1st's with extra games, but it is normally the lower grade players who keep clubs afloat. If these players are not enjoying their baseball we may lose them to the game. BV needs to address this during the winter if we are serious about growing baseball in Victoria...... remember it is grassroots the produces champions in all sports, without 3's ,4's, 5's etc supporting clubs, the clubs will fall over very quickly & our sport will go backwards!
My sentiments presactly! Well put. Carry on please.
Re: Summer Week 12: comments and results « Result #30 Today at 9:08am »
Hey big fella( GWH ), you guys travelling ok.. where are you getting all these pitching stocks....you must have some land out back and have a test tube factory running......heard you had a bit of a firthy play on w/e but was fixed up as soon as possible.....
And Mikey B went deep yet again GWH? How many is that for the year, 6?
that was a heck of a shot to the deepest part of the field, got out in a hurry.
2 good games down there at Albert Park yesterday. Werribee look very impressive, everyone appears to hit and they have very good pitching stocks. Their young starter in the 2's has some great pitching mechanics for that matter. Someone is doing a great job down there moulding those young players.
the best thing i liked about the game was both teams just played the game and did not worry about all the bull$hit that goes on
Re: Summer Week 12: comments and results « Result #33 Yesterday at 10:57pm »
[quote author=skinny board=bvcompetitions thread=1302 post=25359 time=1261355537]Yes, Willy player stole third, ( not from me ), was not happy and told him so.He admitted his error to the team. Yes, port player stole second and third, but i excused this as i dont think the player has that much knowledge of the game. Told him that it was a stupid thing to do as someone might get 1 through the box..( and a few more words inc to emphisise the fact ) to which he said a few words back and then for the 3rd or 4th time this year ( from the same club ) I was called a low life dog..thats when i got a little upset...In regards to the hidden ball trick, I want to apologises to the PMBC for that. I had no idea that was happening and as you would have seen after the game, while port were on their way to have a beer, we were still talking..Give you 3 guesses what it was about. As usual, once the game was finished, it was all smiles and beers for xmas. Thanks to the port guys who hung around afterwards as well..Dandyboy, not sure about ejection for the HBT..new one to me
Would have made the afternoon even more interesting if the batter in the box had been drilled. Im sure the Port boys would have shown their support.
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Re: Summer Week 12: comments and results « Result #34 Yesterday at 10:46pm »
hey buzz,
yeh, wasnt my finest hour...good to see you throwing for those springy boys and doing a good job. Strawberry, i am not going to get into a slanging match cause I have no idea who you are, but yes, that was said but the words saidfrom an ex president..........anyway, not getting into it at this time of nite..got better things to do..
Re: Dominating teams - Why ? « Result #35 Yesterday at 10:45pm »
The uneven draw in div 2 3's & 4's is a joke, with 14 teams the season is effectively over for the bottom 7 teams with still 6 games to go, at least the old system you had an even draw,in div 1 & 2 you had a true home & away season, the current system may be great for div 1 & 2 1st's with extra games, but it is normally the lower grade players who keep clubs afloat. If these players are not enjoying their baseball we may lose them to the game. BV needs to address this during the winter if we are serious about growing baseball in Victoria...... remember it is grassroots the produces champions in all sports, without 3's ,4's, 5's etc supporting clubs, the clubs will fall over very quickly & our sport will go backwards!
Re: Summer Week 12: comments and results « Result #36 Yesterday at 10:41pm »
Remember years ago Port pulling the hidden ball trick on me,after running bases back n forth to be safe,the umpire told me they wouldn't have called it anyway.As for the low life dog? I remember being called a hell of a lot worse from our friend Skinny when playing for Chelsea,but it was all in the heat of the game 'n washes off,don't take it to heart boys.We're all Adults,least most of you lot are Adult size.All i want for X-mas is another Few inches! Merrry X-Mas
Re: Predictions Div 2 - Thirds « Result #37 Yesterday at 10:15pm »
left arm limp.... certainly not having a go at you guys & i thinks great you were able to call on the girls to play(the chick who played short had a great game), & have to agree the game was played in great spirit & i would definitely rather play than forfeit, the point i was trying to make is the gap between the top 5 or 6 teams & the rest (including us) is huge, & with the uneven draw it can lead to one sided games which in my opinion are not much fun. I believe BV need to address this if they want to keep players in the game at lower grades
Re: Victorian Claxton Shield 2009-10 « Result #38 Yesterday at 9:38pm »
Forum admin has it - on totally unreliable authority (the only sort that matters) - that roly has reignited his former (solid as a rock) popularity on the barking circuit and is expected to bob up at anytime, anywhere, with his insightful intellectual droppings and workingdog wisdom on all matters of baseball - and, indeed, of life.
While nothing is yet set in stone, we await developments with bated breath.
Roly here....I've managed to secure a government travel grant from the "disabled concrete dogs fund" and will be travelling to the series in Queensland this weekend to see my beloved Vics take on the Queenslanders.....Unfortunately my bus has broken down on the Tullamarine freeway on the way out to the airport. I've jumped on my "pawtop" computer to log this in the hope that someone will see this and stop to pick me up. I haven't got any luggage, just a poop bag in case of emergencies. Please, please stop if you see me.....I.m just near the entrance from the concrete lost dogs home in Kensington.
Love to all.....Roly
WOOF
roly had a great weekend in Queensland thanks to my new best buddy, Scotty. Scotty saw me hitch hiking on the Tulla and stoped so I made it to the airport in plenty of time During the rain delay on Saturday I thought I would relive some old memories and just went out to the mound to reminiss.....but those pesky Queensland Rams had other ideas and highjacked me What they didn't know was that I have been in hostage situations before and was fully prepared, and seeing my old mate Wardy in their dugout...well let's just say I knew I was safe. Not only that but I knew something like this was a possibility and had already discussed it with my new bestie......next thing you know my boys had Ramnapped "Ronnie the Ram" and a hostage exchange was quickly arranged. We were dealing with amatuers . Also the micro chip and transmitter that I had inserted at the "concrete lost dogs" home worked beautifully and we now have all of the Queensland Rams offensive & defensive plays
After an eventfull weekend where the mighty Vics went 2 for 2 with a "light out" cancelled 3rd game I don't mind tellin' you that I'm pretty tired though.......especially when one of the baggage handlers at Brisbane also tried to dognap me, but that's a story for another time Anyway, I was offered an opportunity to have a few days up at Byron Bay over Christmas with my new buddy and even Scotty doesn't know this, but I was Australian Concrete Animal Long Board Champion 3 years running back in the 80's before the Bushies ruined it all for me. So me and Scotty are off with a few of his mates on Satd'y......if Hoges & Strop are still hangin' out there I'll introduce 'em. Delvene couldn't keep her hands of old roly back in the day!! We're all old mates from the comedy circut days Anyway have a great Christmas from roly and all at the concrete animal shelter.
See you all at Geelong in the New Year.....Roly is back
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During the rain delay on Saturday I thought I would relive some old memories and just went out to the mound to reminiss.....but those pesky Queensland Rams had other ideas and highjacked me 
What they didn't know was that I have been in hostage situations before and was fully prepared, and seeing my old mate Wardy in their dugout...well let's just say I knew I was safe. 
Not only that but I knew something like this was a possibility and had already discussed it with my new bestie......next thing you know my boys had Ramnapped "Ronnie the Ram" and a hostage exchange was quickly arranged. We were dealing with amatuers 
